Jose Fernandez

[Bernie Sanders]

nietzsche, you're a terrible person.

For once Riskllama, you showed empathy to all those who lost loved ones.
Losing a sports idol, does not create the pain of losing a love one.

[patches70]

nietzsche, you're a terrible person.

Naw, he's not a terrible person. He's just doing what all of us do. Create unrealistic personas in our minds of people we don't know.

[BIG_John]

What has happened has happened and baseball has lost a great pitcher!

Baseball will be just fine. What has happened is that a mother and father have lost a son, a sister has lost a brother, a child has lost a father, a woman has lost a partner and a team has lost a teammate and friend.

What have you lost?

I understand all that! I have watch my best friend blown up in Iraq and watched few other friends die over there! I have also seen numerous Iraqis killed over there. I have lost one of my kids at birth! Now you tell me what the Fck you have lost!!! Problem some pee on that still lives at home and hasn't lost a damn thing.

[betiko]

What has happened has happened and baseball has lost a great pitcher!

Baseball will be just fine. What has happened is that a mother and father have lost a son, a sister has lost a brother, a child has lost a father, a woman has lost a partner and a team has lost a teammate and friend.

What have you lost?

Well said patches.

No, it's a very stupid thing to say. When a public person dies, it's a loss that causes true grief far beyond friends and family. People are genuinely attached to public people they just know by media as they can be to aquaintances.
If your next door neighbour dies hit by a truck, the one you have a casual chat with in the morning while you walk the dog, well I'm sure it can beas painful as to lose you team's young and promissing pitcher.

[betiko]

Don't think they have proved that he was drunk yet or at least haven't herd it yet anyways.

Har! Does it matter? Fernandez wasn't driving the boat, so whatever happened wasn't his fault. Who ever was driving the boat drove it into a pile of rocks at full speed, between 30 to 40 miles an hour depending what kinda engine was in it.

It's all fun and games until someone pokes and eye out, or worse.

At least 151,000 people around the world died yesterday, Fernandez being one of them. Going out in a boating accident where in the moments before said death occurred Fernandez and his buddies were having a pretty good time. It's fun as hell open throttling a boat on the open water, just, you know, practice at least a tiny modicum of prudence and don't drive into a pile of rocks for f*ck's sake! I could think of of worse ways to go I suppose and a large percentage of people who died yesterday probably weren't having nearly as much fun just before they shuffled off.

Only one thing is for certain, we all got it coming at some point. One would count themselves lucky if they had the money, fame and died in the midst of having a good time. If only we could all be so fortunate.

My condolences to his family.

it's official that he wasn't on drugs or alcohol. fortunately he wasn't driving and he wasn't known for driving the boat/boats, according to sea patrol (or however it's called) officers so at least people don't get to say "well, fame and fortune, they get crazy and they have it coming".

the guy tried to defect three times before making it. he was in jail in cuba for that. 14 year-old and in an adults' prison along murderers. crowded, shitty food. he passed out and was unconscious for 24 hours on the fourth and finally successful attempt. he worked hard to make it to the big leagues. he trained physically to exhaustion without rest days because he had a goal.

I didn't know all that before today, I only knew he was the most exciting pitcher to watch. it was fun to see the natural joy one what he did and how he did it. his stuff was nasty.



I don't know if you watch baseball or not, but for some of us something is gone. A big chunk that represented a lot of fun. Not only was he good, but he was fun while being good.

His life is not intrinsically more valuable than any other good human being's life, but it meant a lot to a lot of people. I don't understand the need to make this less significant?

as you know, I don't know shit about baseball... but that gif... didn't even know a pitcher could do that. how often does it happen? like once every 5 years, or never?

[tzor]

Why him? The most exciting pitcher to watch. Why not any other of the 800 players.

Because only the good die young.

Besides, when the FOD calls you up from the Majors, it's not like you have a option to decline the contract.

[patches70]

I understand all that! I have watch my best friend blown up in Iraq and watched few other friends die over there! I have also seen numerous Iraqis killed over there. I have lost one of my kids at birth! Now you tell me what the Fck you have lost!!! Problem some pee on that still lives at home and hasn't lost a damn thing.

Are you being deliberately obtuse or are you just stupid?

Lemme try this again-
In regards to Jose Fernandez's death, what have you lost?

I can empathize with his family because I can understand the pain this causes them.
I can't empathize very well with sports freaks who are pissed because they don't get to see Fernandez play ball ever again as if that matters at all in the grand scheme of things.

And what the f*ck do you know about what I have lost?
Did you really just list out "what I lost" like it's a dick waving contest? WTF is wrong with you?

We've all lost someone in our lives, it's inevitable and if you think you have a monopoly on loss then you are sadly mistaken. Or if you think your losses are somehow greater than anyone else's then you are sadly delusional.

You know what? Never mind. I pray to God that all you sports freaks find in short order a new idol to cling to and put an end to your supreme grief.

May Jose Fernandez rest in peace, may his family and loved ones be assuaged from the pain of their loved lost and may all those who have suffered grief for whatever reason be relieved and left with only cherished memories.
Amen

[BIG_John]

Patch you are just a dumbass! Shut the fck up and go troll another forum! SMH ID10Tango!

[riskllama]

Nietzsche started this thread and should be banned for upsetting people.

[notyou2]

The world lost someone, but that someone may mean more to some than others. Not sure why you guys are getting upset over who is more remorseful.

I am sadder than all of you. So there.

[patches70]

notyou2 wins. For your prize, you win the Golden Glove.

[patches70]

Patch you are just a dumbass! Shut the fck up and go troll another forum! SMH ID10Tango!

Very eloquent. You wanna parade out some more dead loved ones to show how much you have suffered?

So, did you really list out "what I lost" like it's a dick waving contest?

Hey, does anyone remember Steve Olin and Tim Crews? They were both MLB pitchers who died in a boating accident. They died from pier pressure. Hell of a thing, probably a little before your time though Big John. Someone should make a thread.

[BIG_John]

Patches you are a freaking Id10tango! A stupid one at that! You are the first person I have FOED without ever playing! Just another dumbass troll that finds his way through the forums! I'm done with dealing with THIS ID10TANGO! Fcking joke!

[Symmetry]

I understand all that! I have watch my best friend blown up in Iraq and watched few other friends die over there! I have also seen numerous Iraqis killed over there. I have lost one of my kids at birth! Now you tell me what the Fck you have lost!!! Problem some pee on that still lives at home and hasn't lost a damn thing.

Are you being deliberately obtuse or are you just stupid?

Lemme try this again-
In regards to Jose Fernandez's death, what have you lost?

I can empathize with his family because I can understand the pain this causes them.
I can't empathize very well with sports freaks who are pissed because they don't get to see Fernandez play ball ever again as if that matters at all in the grand scheme of things.

And what the f*ck do you know about what I have lost?
Did you really just list out "what I lost" like it's a dick waving contest? WTF is wrong with you?

We've all lost someone in our lives, it's inevitable and if you think you have a monopoly on loss then you are sadly mistaken. Or if you think your losses are somehow greater than anyone else's then you are sadly delusional.

You know what? Never mind. I pray to God that all you sports freaks find in short order a new idol to cling to and put an end to your supreme grief.

May Jose Fernandez rest in peace, may his family and loved ones be assuaged from the pain of their loved lost and may all those who have suffered grief for whatever reason be relieved and left with only cherished memories.
Amen

Did you really have to troll this? People can love their heroes, their icons, their friends, their pets. You ain't the arbiter of grief, P.

[nietzsche]

Neitz: "I'm sad that Fernandez is dead because baseball isn't going to be as fun to watch now".

Holy shit! He's just an object to you. You know who's going to be really sad? His unborn kid who is going to grow up never knowing his/her father.
His girlfriend who for the sake of argument and optimism, loved Fernandez and had hopes of spending the rest of her life with him.
His family who knew him well, would have loved him even if he never played baseball.
His true friends who loved him not because he played baseball well but brought an actual something to their lives in the form of fellowship, advice and support in things other (and more important) than baseball.
His teammates when they reach for the fruit of his labors and find themselves wanting and feel the brunt of their loss all over again and again.

Ain't not a single one of you posting in this thread ever met the guy, knew the guy or cared anything about him except that he entertained you with his skills in baseball. He's just an object to you.

I'm not glad he died, I'm not even making his life less significant. He had an amazing life with accomplishments most of you could only dream you had the strength to get through and that's before he ever got to play baseball.

But you neitz, "Taveras was only a prospect..." fucking moron. You think Taveras' family and friends grief is any different than the Fernandez family's grief? You're grief is obviously different because you didn't value Fernandez as a human being,
because you didn't even know him. He was just a thing to you.

It's ok though, we put people on a pedestal very often even though it is ultimately unhealthy and damaging. We rarely care about that damage.
My condolences go out to the family of Jose Fernandez for they are truly feeling the effects of this terrible thing.
All the sports fans can suck it for all I care. You'll get over if when the next pitching phenom hits while Fernandez family grieves on.
Just like all the other families of all the other people who die every single day that you don't give two shits about.

And yes, I get to say we all got it coming because we all got it coming. It'd be nice if we all got to die old and grey peacefully in our beds with our loved ones all around us to ease our transition but that doesn't happen a lot of times. God in his infinite wisdom put death at the end of our lives. Pray you go quickly when that time comes and cherish what you have now because you never know when your time is going to come. Dying while in the midst of joy is better than going while in the throes of horror and pain as many are likely destined.
But in truth there is probably no good way to go regardless.
So tell me neitz, do you wish you died of a heart attack on your couch while watching Fernandez toss burners to hapless batters or would you rather live to see Fernandez pass instead and take that opportunity to look around yourself and see what you got in your life now that is good and cherish it anew while you still can?
If anything Fernandez shows us all that it can all be over in an unexpected instant at any time. And for that, at least, I am grateful to him. We forget that all too often and take things for granted. For you neitz, only after Fernandez died did you learn-

the guy tried to defect three times before making it. he was in jail in cuba for that. 14 year-old and in an adults' prison along murderers. crowded, shitty food. he passed out and was unconscious for 24 hours on the fourth and finally successful attempt. he worked hard to make it to the big leagues. he trained physically to exhaustion without rest days because he had a goal.

I didn't know all that before today, I only knew he was the most exciting pitcher to watch.

Imagine what greater your joy would have been had you known all that while watching him play. But you didn't really care to know all that, did you? You only cared about what Fernandez gave to you. You are the one who makes his life less significant because all you ever cared about before this day was how he entertained you while you watched him play. He was just a thing to you.

dude, what is your problem?

i'm not going to pretend to be a saint. i'm realistic. i related to Jose Fernandez through baseball, through a tv. If i had any indication that a member of his family or one of his friends was going to read this forum, I wouldn't have started this thread, because their loss is much greater and I wouldn't have wanted to offend them in any way.

Of course i feel for his family, in whatever remote way i can imagine their loss, yesterday I was watching one of those reporters that try to contact the family in these moments, she was trying to interview jose's grandmother, and i felt like punching the reporter. what a vagina.

as to your argument about that my loss isn't real, and that i didn't even know him and whatever else it was, that's your incorrect appreciation of how things are, for whatever reason you're mad about this all issue. As betiko explained, it becomes real, it exists, it has its effects. We internalize the stimulus, and we create concepts of things that are regular or constant enough, so in that regard jose fernandez was real to me, he meant something in my psyche, regardless of whether or not I talked to him or got close to him.

I'm pretty sure his family feels a lot of pride in the fact that a lot of people is mourning his death. And they know those who knew him mourn because he was a good person, and those who don't because he was a great baseball player and because his joy was contagious, it was like watching a kid play.

ANd the whole taveras comparison thing, in the first line in my response to big john i say that they're both are human loses, and then proceded to indicate the difference in their value to the game of baseball. I would add now, that not only fernandez was an established pitcher, but a lot of people liked him because they joyful way he played.

I don't know what your problem is really, but you should try to see what it is. Also, you're responding to me with an anger that I did not provoke. I do not care much about this conversation.

I was just watching the Mets - Marlins game, the ceremony, the Dee Gordon's HR, it was just beautiful, I'm not ashamed to say that I shed a tear or two. I recorded it, and heard about the HR hours ago, but I just watched it.

[nietzsche]

Don't think they have proved that he was drunk yet or at least haven't herd it yet anyways.

Har! Does it matter? Fernandez wasn't driving the boat, so whatever happened wasn't his fault. Who ever was driving the boat drove it into a pile of rocks at full speed, between 30 to 40 miles an hour depending what kinda engine was in it.

It's all fun and games until someone pokes and eye out, or worse.

At least 151,000 people around the world died yesterday, Fernandez being one of them. Going out in a boating accident where in the moments before said death occurred Fernandez and his buddies were having a pretty good time. It's fun as hell open throttling a boat on the open water, just, you know, practice at least a tiny modicum of prudence and don't drive into a pile of rocks for f*ck's sake! I could think of of worse ways to go I suppose and a large percentage of people who died yesterday probably weren't having nearly as much fun just before they shuffled off.

Only one thing is for certain, we all got it coming at some point. One would count themselves lucky if they had the money, fame and died in the midst of having a good time. If only we could all be so fortunate.

My condolences to his family.

it's official that he wasn't on drugs or alcohol. fortunately he wasn't driving and he wasn't known for driving the boat/boats, according to sea patrol (or however it's called) officers so at least people don't get to say "well, fame and fortune, they get crazy and they have it coming".

the guy tried to defect three times before making it. he was in jail in cuba for that. 14 year-old and in an adults' prison along murderers. crowded, shitty food. he passed out and was unconscious for 24 hours on the fourth and finally successful attempt. he worked hard to make it to the big leagues. he trained physically to exhaustion without rest days because he had a goal.

I didn't know all that before today, I only knew he was the most exciting pitcher to watch. it was fun to see the natural joy one what he did and how he did it. his stuff was nasty.



I don't know if you watch baseball or not, but for some of us something is gone. A big chunk that represented a lot of fun. Not only was he good, but he was fun while being good.

His life is not intrinsically more valuable than any other good human being's life, but it meant a lot to a lot of people. I don't understand the need to make this less significant?

as you know, I don't know shit about baseball... but that gif... didn't even know a pitcher could do that. how often does it happen? like once every 5 years, or never?

he just reacted, lucky the ball was not in the direction of his head, but i guess he being a good athlete could've reacted to that too.

some pitchers are better defensively than others. tulowitzky is known for batting liners, not sure what the speed of that was but most likely was between 90-110 mph.

[Metsfanmax]

I was just watching the Mets - Marlins game, the ceremony, the Dee Gordon's HR, it was just beautiful, I'm not ashamed to say that I shed a tear or two.

Me too. I kept it together during the ceremony but the Dee Gordon HR was just too much. I couldn't even root for the Mets tonight, all I wanted was the Marlins to win one for Fernandez, even if it meant my team potentially doesn't make the playoffs.

[patches70]

I'm just messing with ya nietz. Fernandez was taken too soon, bad thing for his family, baseball and the fans without a doubt. It's freaking nuts how many people get hurt and killed in boating accidents. He was a very good pitcher and seemed like a decent sort of fellow. His story just getting to the US is pretty amazing. He kinda exemplifies ( to me at least) that America can be the land of dreams if one really wants it, and he wanted it.
But, that's how it is, here one day on top of the world and poof, just gone the next day. Snuffed out like a candle, it's sad.

[Bernie Sanders]

I was just watching the Mets - Marlins game, the ceremony, the Dee Gordon's HR, it was just beautiful, I'm not ashamed to say that I shed a tear or two.

Me too. I kept it together during the ceremony but the Dee Gordon HR was just too much. I couldn't even root for the Mets tonight, all I wanted was the Marlins to win one for Fernandez, even if it meant my team potentially doesn't make the playoffs.

Then my boy, you ain't a true blue Mets fan.

I guess you cry at weddings too, heh?

[riskllama]

shoulda been you, Bernie...

[Dukasaur]

shoulda been you, Bernie...

You are a dick. Reminds everyone that llamas are just low-class dromedaries.