Best hooligans？

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'nuf said.

Yup, I see:

- a photo of relaxed, apparently happy football fans standing around minding their own business (prior to the well-documented tear gassing and beating they later received from the French police)
- a photo of a Chinese armed response unit who have been brought out to halt the progress of a Uyghur mob during a period of significant domestic unrest, although appear to be showing restraint and taking no action against the mob

I also notice that Keefie has managed to turn up some eye-witness reports confirming that the French police were, as I originally said, heavy-handed, confrontational, and aggressive, which you presumably do not dispute given that you have not contradicted him.

So, in summary, the French police are exceptionally brutal thugs. Glad we are on the same page.

I'm not saying the french acted completely correctly but you stupidly compared France with Idi Amin's militaristic régime, where the military acted as police and killed 300.000 Ugandan citizens. You're a fucking moron if you think the French are sending their troops on the streets with bazooka's and machineguns to massacre their own people.

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I'm not saying the french acted completely correctly but you stupidly compared France with Idi Amin's militaristic régime, where the military acted as police and killed 300.000 Ugandan citizens. You're a fucking moron if you think the French are sending their troops on the streets with bazooka's and machineguns to massacre their own people.

I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying the French government are sending their police onto the street with guns, tear gas and batons with which to trample and oppress foreigners, Roma and Muslims. If there is one thing the white, Christian police are not doing it is attacking the white, Christian civilian majority.

The similarities with Idi Amin's Uganda are more in the seizing of supreme power through of a 'temporary' state of emergency (extended indefinitely), the suppression of dissident voices, and the violent intimidation and scapegoating of minority groups. Not forgetting all the swivel-eyed appeals to nationalist sentiment ('Vive la France') and deliberate creation of a climate of fear and suspicion with which to justify the government's increasingly oppressive rule.

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I'm not saying the french acted completely correctly but you stupidly compared France with Idi Amin's militaristic régime, where the military acted as police and killed 300.000 Ugandan citizens. You're a fucking moron if you think the French are sending their troops on the streets with bazooka's and machineguns to massacre their own people.

I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying the French government are sending their police onto the street with guns, tear gas and batons with which to trample and oppress foreigners, Roma and Muslims. If there is one thing the white, Christian police are not doing it is attacking the white, Christian civilian majority.

The similarities with Idi Amin's Uganda are more in the seizing of supreme power through of a 'temporary' state of emergency (extended indefinitely), the suppression of dissident voices, and the violent intimidation and scapegoating of minority groups. Not forgetting all the swivel-eyed appeals to nationalist sentiment ('Vive la France') and deliberate creation of a climate of fear and suspicion with which to justify the government's increasingly oppressive rule.

Then don't make the comparison with Idi Amin Dada if you want to avoid talking about his crimes against humanity! How do you imagine you would feel were I to compare China with Hitler's nazism, because of nationalism, military industrialism, single party systems, etc.?The state of emergency can be lifted through vote of parliament(unlike China France doesn't have a 1-party system), dissident voices aren't suppressed at all(Don't act as if parties like Le Pen are forbidden, they have just as much democratic rights), and racism exists in all countries. It's not as if racism has been institutionalized and has become the national dogma. Nationalism will always exist in proud nations, nothing special there, most strong nations are nationalist. And the french government didn't create the climate of fear, the climate of fear was created by the terrorist attacks, the government was reactionary. In fact it was rather the far right that promoted racism and oppression, not Hollande's center-left.

Seriously, are you brain-dead or something? How can you keep exagerating on this subject and not even realize your hypocrisy for ignoring China's much worse breaches on the topics you mentioned.

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I'm not saying the french acted completely correctly but you stupidly compared France with Idi Amin's militaristic régime, where the military acted as police and killed 300.000 Ugandan citizens. You're a fucking moron if you think the French are sending their troops on the streets with bazooka's and machineguns to massacre their own people.

I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying the French government are sending their police onto the street with guns, tear gas and batons with which to trample and oppress foreigners, Roma and Muslims. If there is one thing the white, Christian police are not doing it is attacking the white, Christian civilian majority.

The similarities with Idi Amin's Uganda are more in the seizing of supreme power through of a 'temporary' state of emergency (extended indefinitely), the suppression of dissident voices, and the violent intimidation and scapegoating of minority groups. Not forgetting all the swivel-eyed appeals to nationalist sentiment ('Vive la France') and deliberate creation of a climate of fear and suspicion with which to justify the government's increasingly oppressive rule.

Then don't make the comparison with Idi Amin Dada if you want to avoid talking about his crimes against humanity!

Just because France differs in the personnel it chooses to use as its primary mechanism for suppressing its population and the weapons it gives them doesn't mean you get to go 'look, everything is different!'. There are many parallels between Idi Amin and Francois Hollande's governments, and crimes against humanity is one of them. Or are France's crimes against humanity (bombing in Libya, bombing in Syria) somehow not counted just because

The state of emergency can be lifted through vote of parliament

So could Idi Amin's. But, in both Amin's France and Hollande's Uganda, parliament opted to keep on extending their 'temporary' state of emergency rather than repeal it. 'Yeah, I know we keep extending it, and I know that last time we said we'd get rid of it, but we thought about it and decided we actually need to extend it one more time. Don't worry, we'll get rid of it next time.' Yeah yeah, we've heard that one before.

dissident voices aren't suppressed at all

Unless they happen to be dissident voices which express political sentiment the government stands opposed to (anti-Semitic, Holocaust deniers, Nazis, Islamists) in which case they are stamped all over.

Or if their only crime is being Muslim in a French city or being Roma in a French country. Then they don't even need to say anything to get stamped all over by the state.

It's not as if racism has been institutionalized and has become the national dogma.

Tell that to the mosques being raided, the Muslims banned from practicing their faith and the Roma being burned out of their homes. Or to the large swathes of the French population who are now voting for La Pen!

Nationalism will always exist in proud nations, nothing special there, most strong nations are nationalist.

Deutschland Deutschland uber alles!

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Typical mrswdk post

• France is not using any guns on their own people, unless it's for the arrest of wanted terrorists. France is not firing guns in the streets.
• Water cannons and teargas are normal methods of dispersing violent mobs.
• The bombing if Lybia is a laughable example. Try and give me an example of a war without fatalities. Every war has deaths, even innocent lives, as mistakes are made. This is just part of war.
• Suggesting that Idi Amin's Uganda was in any way a parliamentary democracy is ridiculous. The guy had his own ministers executed purely out of paranoia, much like Stalin did.
• France is NOT protesting against Holland's anti-terrorism policy precisely because they are for it.
• France is against extremist islamism not islamism as a whole. There is no law that forbids Islam religion.
• Anti-nazi laws are normal considering the history of the region. Belgium and Germany uphold the very same laws.
• The Roma are being discriminated against in pretty much all of europe. Read up what happens to the Roma gypsies in Italy and Hungary. They are hated and despised everywhere for thieving and trespassing.
• Of course Mosques are being investigated. France has the same problem many european countries have. The most recent example is the arrest and expulsion of extremist imams in Denmark. The problem is that Saudia-Arabia and the Emirates finance all those mosques and send middle-eastern imams over to europe to preach for middle-eastern values, which often border extremism.
• most strong nations are nationalist, as I said. Germany is one of the few exceptions because of their WWII trauma(as is Austria for that matter). Though they are still a very proud nation, starting to recover from their trauma and witnessing a reborn nationalism, although small.

ps: it's 'über' with an Umlaut not "uber" the taxi cabs.

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These were not English football hooligans just a few English blokes enjoying a drink that were attacked by an organised Marseilles ultras who were described as French locals. Hooliganism in football in England has been gone for around 20 years, of course there's always going to be the odd skirmish where there's thousands of young men.

Had they been an organised crew from back in the day where everybody knew their place and their role. Then the English would have destroyed the French and Russians like they did everywhere they went!

Lol yeah right, everyone knows Russians are the scariest white people.

-TG

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These were not English football hooligans just a few English blokes enjoying a drink that were attacked by an organised Marseilles ultras who were described as French locals. Hooliganism in football in England has been gone for around 20 years, of course there's always going to be the odd skirmish where there's thousands of young men.

Had they been an organised crew from back in the day where everybody knew their place and their role. Then the English would have destroyed the French and Russians like they did everywhere they went!

Lol yeah right, everyone knows Russians are the scariest white people.

-TG

I think you can boil things down to how countries, associations and teams deal with hooligans:

England- confiscate hooligan's passports
Russia- makes hooligans part of official Russian delegation

England- Government condemns violence
Russia- Government encourages violence

England- Sends police experts to help French police
Russia- Summons the French Ambassador to complain about French police

It's just odd that the Russians don't see the difference.

[waauw]

These were not English football hooligans just a few English blokes enjoying a drink that were attacked by an organised Marseilles ultras who were described as French locals. Hooliganism in football in England has been gone for around 20 years, of course there's always going to be the odd skirmish where there's thousands of young men.

Had they been an organised crew from back in the day where everybody knew their place and their role. Then the English would have destroyed the French and Russians like they did everywhere they went!

Lol yeah right, everyone knows Russians are the scariest white people.

-TG

I think you can boil things down to how countries, associations and teams deal with hooligans:

England- confiscate hooligan's passports
Russia- makes hooligans part of official Russian delegation

England- Government condemns violence
Russia- Government encourages violence

England- Sends police experts to help French police
Russia- Summons the French Ambassador to complain about French police

It's just odd that the Russians don't see the difference.

I agree with all you said, except that the Russian government encourages it. The one that encouraged it was a parliamentarian of the far right party in Russia, not a member of government, not even a member of Putin's center right party.

[Symmetry]

These were not English football hooligans just a few English blokes enjoying a drink that were attacked by an organised Marseilles ultras who were described as French locals. Hooliganism in football in England has been gone for around 20 years, of course there's always going to be the odd skirmish where there's thousands of young men.

Had they been an organised crew from back in the day where everybody knew their place and their role. Then the English would have destroyed the French and Russians like they did everywhere they went!

Lol yeah right, everyone knows Russians are the scariest white people.

-TG

I think you can boil things down to how countries, associations and teams deal with hooligans:

England- confiscate hooligan's passports
Russia- makes hooligans part of official Russian delegation

England- Government condemns violence
Russia- Government encourages violence

England- Sends police experts to help French police
Russia- Summons the French Ambassador to complain about French police

It's just odd that the Russians don't see the difference.

I agree with all you said, except that the Russian government encourages it. The one that encouraged it was a parliamentarian of the far right party in Russia, not a member of government, not even a member of Putin's center right party.

Fair enough, but he's still an elected member, calling for more of the same. Russian sport didn't need that. I despise English hooligans, but I do think that the UK has taken important steps to tackle the problem.

To be fair, at least the Russian government stepped in after he commented to disown the idiot.

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These were not English football hooligans just a few English blokes enjoying a drink that were attacked by an organised Marseilles ultras who were described as French locals. Hooliganism in football in England has been gone for around 20 years, of course there's always going to be the odd skirmish where there's thousands of young men.

Had they been an organised crew from back in the day where everybody knew their place and their role. Then the English would have destroyed the French and Russians like they did everywhere they went!

Lol yeah right, everyone knows Russians are the scariest white people.

-TG

You could be right. The loss of the mining and shipbuilding industry in Britain along with other heavy industries and the socialists telling British men to be in touch with their feminine side for the last 20 years is bound to have had some effect on manliness in Britain. Can't really see a bunch of limp wristed office workers wreaking havoc on the streets of France.

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Weirdly, I thought English hooligans were a thing of the past. Tough laws were brought in to deal with this nonsense. It's weird to see it come back.

I'm a bit sceptical of the reports though. Other countries, like France, Russia, and Italy, have not done much to curb fan violence.

I do wonder if the Brits are being targeted because of old reputations.

Of course they are. For years the British hooligans "reigned supreme". Firms are still a thing, they're just not as prominent as they used to be. Is it any surprise Russians are going crazy?

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Weirdly, I thought English hooligans were a thing of the past. Tough laws were brought in to deal with this nonsense. It's weird to see it come back.

I'm a bit sceptical of the reports though. Other countries, like France, Russia, and Italy, have not done much to curb fan violence.

I do wonder if the Brits are being targeted because of old reputations.

Of course they are. For years the British hooligans "reigned supreme". Firms are still a thing, they're just not as prominent as they used to be. Is it any surprise Russians are going crazy?

I think the Russians are stuck in a bit of a time warp. The Firms of old were decimated, and the Premier League moved on.

But yeah, it'll be some time before British fans get a good rep. Wales and NI have done us proud.