Turkey shoots down Russian fighter jet

[GoranZ]

Russians and Assad have no problem bombing and killing civilians

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/11/syria-monitoring-groups-russian-air-strikes-kill-400-civilians-151122063024984.html

Russia has recent history of atrocities against civilians in neighboring countries and in their own country.

I Quote "It not clear if these attacks were cared out by Russia, The Syrian Army" and I'll add "or by someone else"...
Accusing is easy, proving is another matter.

I Quote "Hospitals in opposition held areas have also been hit"
Which hospitals, name of the towns?

What do US government has to say about the alleged attacks on hospitals:


Maybe Red Cross has more info:


I believe I already posted the same videos last time you mentioned the attacks on hospitals. And I will also do the same next time you gonna mention them, I wont mid hammering you with the same rock over and over again

[Symmetry]

Let's face it. Russia has been sending armed bombers up to and inside NATO countries airspace for a long time. Turkey very clearly told Putin to stop. He ignored the warning,.

Really, is a request for foreign bombers to not invade a country so unreasonable?

[waauw]

Let's face it. Russia has been sending armed bombers up to and inside NATO countries airspace for a long time. Turkey very clearly told Putin to stop. He ignored the warning,.

Really, is a request for foreign bombers to not invade a country so unreasonable?

We all know what Erdogan wants. He wants everyone to stop bombing ISIS so they can continue massacring Kurds, and so he can keep trying to blackmail europe with Syrian/Iraqi refugees. Everybody knows this, hence why NATO is not backing him up.

[Symmetry]

Let's face it. Russia has been sending armed bombers up to and inside NATO countries airspace for a long time. Turkey very clearly told Putin to stop. He ignored the warning,.

Really, is a request for foreign bombers to not invade a country so unreasonable?

We all know what Erdogan wants. He wants everyone to stop bombing ISIS so they can continue massacring Kurds, and so he can keep trying to blackmail europe with Syrian/Iraqi refugees. Everybody knows this, hence why NATO is not backing him up.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSB5N13J00120151124

NATO backs Turkey. You're wrong.

[Bernie Sanders]

Let's face it. Russia has been sending armed bombers up to and inside NATO countries airspace for a long time. Turkey very clearly told Putin to stop. He ignored the warning,.

Really, is a request for foreign bombers to not invade a country so unreasonable?

We all know what Erdogan wants. He wants everyone to stop bombing ISIS so they can continue massacring Kurds, and so he can keep trying to blackmail europe with Syrian/Iraqi refugees. Everybody knows this, hence why NATO is not backing him up.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSB5N13J00120151124

NATO backs Turkey. You're wrong.

NATO is behind Turkey, 100%

That's why Russia is constantly crying about Turkey. Russia is squeezed in between the NATO military in Syria. It's one of the reasons why Putin is kissing Netanyahu's butt.

[waauw]

Let's face it. Russia has been sending armed bombers up to and inside NATO countries airspace for a long time. Turkey very clearly told Putin to stop. He ignored the warning,.

Really, is a request for foreign bombers to not invade a country so unreasonable?

We all know what Erdogan wants. He wants everyone to stop bombing ISIS so they can continue massacring Kurds, and so he can keep trying to blackmail europe with Syrian/Iraqi refugees. Everybody knows this, hence why NATO is not backing him up.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSB5N13J00120151124

NATO backs Turkey. You're wrong.

All your article says is that NATO stands with the integrity of Turkey, not really that special since that's just part of the NATO mutual protection pact.
However that is not the same thing as approving of Turkey shooting down that plane.

[Symmetry]

Let's face it. Russia has been sending armed bombers up to and inside NATO countries airspace for a long time. Turkey very clearly told Putin to stop. He ignored the warning,.

Really, is a request for foreign bombers to not invade a country so unreasonable?

We all know what Erdogan wants. He wants everyone to stop bombing ISIS so they can continue massacring Kurds, and so he can keep trying to blackmail europe with Syrian/Iraqi refugees. Everybody knows this, hence why NATO is not backing him up.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSB5N13J00120151124

NATO backs Turkey. You're wrong.

All your article says is that NATO stands with the integrity of Turkey, not really that special since that's just part of the NATO mutual protection pact.
However that is not the same thing as approving of Turkey shooting down that plane.

My point was that NATO backs Turkey. If you feel that I was incorrect, and that Goran was right, please present your evidence

[waauw]

My point was that NATO backs Turkey. If you feel that I was incorrect, and that Goran was right, please present your evidence

I don't have to. All I said was that NATO is not backing up Erdogan.

The fact of the matter is, if fellow NATO-members had wanted to lend political support to anyone, you'd have heard a series of presidents and prime ministers coming out and saying that directly. That didn't happen. Everyone is surprisingly still about the whole affair letting Turkey and Russia bicker it out amongst themselves.

[Bernie Sanders]

My point was that NATO backs Turkey. If you feel that I was incorrect, and that Goran was right, please present your evidence

I don't have to. All I said was that NATO is not backing up Erdogan.

The fact of the matter is, if fellow NATO-members had wanted to lend political support to anyone, you'd have heard a series of presidents and prime ministers coming out and saying that directly. That didn't happen. Everyone is surprisingly still about the whole affair letting Turkey and Russia bicker it out amongst themselves.

NATO will back Turkey up 100%, if Russia decides to start some type of military action against Turkey.

Russia will not attack Turkey with it's military, because Putin knows what will happen next.

[Symmetry]

My point was that NATO backs Turkey. If you feel that I was incorrect, and that Goran was right, please present your evidence

I don't have to. All I said was that NATO is not backing up Erdogan.

Of course you don't have to. All I asked for, politely, was evidence. I've obviously provided evidence that shows my point to be correct.

I was always sceptical of your argument though, to be fair

[waauw]

My point was that NATO backs Turkey. If you feel that I was incorrect, and that Goran was right, please present your evidence

I don't have to. All I said was that NATO is not backing up Erdogan.

Of course you don't have to. All I asked for, politely, was evidence. I've obviously provided evidence that shows my point to be correct.

I was always sceptical of your argument though, to be fair

What I mean is, I made my conclusions on the basis of 'a lack of decent evidence'. This lack is the evidence of neutrality.
Unless you can prove that the the governments from the major NATO-countries have themselves expressed explicitly that they agree Turkey HAD TO shoot that plane down, I will assume they remain neutral.

[waauw]

My point was that NATO backs Turkey. If you feel that I was incorrect, and that Goran was right, please present your evidence

I don't have to. All I said was that NATO is not backing up Erdogan.

The fact of the matter is, if fellow NATO-members had wanted to lend political support to anyone, you'd have heard a series of presidents and prime ministers coming out and saying that directly. That didn't happen. Everyone is surprisingly still about the whole affair letting Turkey and Russia bicker it out amongst themselves.

NATO will back Turkey up 100%, if Russia decides to start some type of military action against Turkey.

Russia will not attack Turkey with it's military, because Putin knows what will happen next.

Diplomatic and military support is not the same thing. The fact of the matter is most europeans, and I assume your politicians in Washington as well, hate Erdogan. They enjoy the fact that this whole conflict is being used by Erdogan's opposition as a means of political advertising.

[Symmetry]

My point was that NATO backs Turkey. If you feel that I was incorrect, and that Goran was right, please present your evidence

I don't have to. All I said was that NATO is not backing up Erdogan.

Of course you don't have to. All I asked for, politely, was evidence. I've obviously provided evidence that shows my point to be correct.

I was always sceptical of your argument though, to be fair

What I mean is, I made my conclusions on the basis of 'a lack of decent evidence'. This lack is the evidence of neutrality.

And what I presented was evidence that NATO backed Turkey.

Can you suggest some sources you trust?

[waauw]

And what I presented was evidence that NATO backed Turkey.

Can you suggest some sources you trust?

I'm not questioning your source. I'm questioning what your source said. I have a different interpretation to your article.

[waauw]

And what I presented was evidence that NATO backed Turkey.

Can you suggest some sources you trust?

My question is: Did you hear Obama, Merkel, Hollande or Cameron explicitly mention that Turkey was in the right to shoot down that plane? I didn't. I read articles about Hollande actually coming to terms with Putin.

[Symmetry]

And what I presented was evidence that NATO backed Turkey.

Can you suggest some sources you trust?

My question is: Did you hear Obama, Merkel, Hollande or Cameron explicitly mention that Turkey was in the right to shoot down that plane? I didn't. I read articles about Hollande actually coming to terms with Putin.

Was my attempt at meeting a middle ground so bad?

[GoranZ]

And what I presented was evidence that NATO backed Turkey.

Can you suggest some sources you trust?

My question is: Did you hear Obama, Merkel, Hollande or Cameron explicitly mention that Turkey was in the right to shoot down that plane? I didn't. I read articles about Hollande actually coming to terms with Putin.

Was my attempt at meeting a middle ground so bad?

Because there is no middle ground, you are eater correct or wrong. So far you haven't pointed any reference so you are wrong.

[Symmetry]

And what I presented was evidence that NATO backed Turkey.

Can you suggest some sources you trust?

My question is: Did you hear Obama, Merkel, Hollande or Cameron explicitly mention that Turkey was in the right to shoot down that plane? I didn't. I read articles about Hollande actually coming to terms with Putin.

Was my attempt at meeting a middle ground so bad?

Because there is no middle ground, you are eater correct or wrong. So far you haven't pointed any reference so you are wrong.

Sober up mate. I posted evidence Do you need me to post it again?

[GoranZ]

And what I presented was evidence that NATO backed Turkey.

Can you suggest some sources you trust?

My question is: Did you hear Obama, Merkel, Hollande or Cameron explicitly mention that Turkey was in the right to shoot down that plane? I didn't. I read articles about Hollande actually coming to terms with Putin.

Was my attempt at meeting a middle ground so bad?

Because there is no middle ground, you are eater correct or wrong. So far you haven't pointed any reference so you are wrong.

Sober up mate. I posted evidence Do you need me to post it again?

Seems that you ignored what waauw posted. You only post what fits you.

[waauw]

translated to you from dutch:
Czech President: "Turkey is more of an ally to IS than it is to NATO"

The Czech president Milos Zeman talked lowly of NATO-ally Turkey. The country sometimes behaves more as an ally of terrorist organization IS, said the 71yo head of state according to press bureau CTK during a debate with civilians in the town of Kadan.

"I expect the Turkish ambassador to send me a protesting letter for those words", he added. The Moscow oriented politician had already criticized Turkey for taking down a Russian plane at the end of november.

Zeman also expressed disapproval of the planned billions to Ankara for taking in refugees and rejected Turkish admission to the EU.

[GoranZ]

translated to you from dutch:
Czech President: "Turkey is more of an ally to IS than it is to NATO"

The Czech president Milos Zeman talked lowly of NATO-ally Turkey. The country sometimes behaves more as an ally of terrorist organization IS, said the 71yo head of state according to press bureau CTK during a debate with civilians in the town of Kadan.

"I expect the Turkish ambassador to send me a protesting letter for those words", he added. The Moscow oriented politician had already criticized Turkey for taking down a Russian plane at the end of november.

Zeman also expressed disapproval of the planned billions to Ankara for taking in refugees and rejected Turkish admission to the EU.

Spot on on what is said... Turkey is indeed bigger ally to IS then it is to NATO.

Something from official Russian authorities.
Su-24 downing gave grounds for war, but Russia decided against symmetrical response – Medvedev

[GoranZ]

Erdogan did it once... now all Turks are crying



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