Symmetry wrote:Use your words, BS.
I think his words are BS.
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Symmetry wrote:Use your words, BS.
Dukasaur wrote:Symmetry wrote:Use your words, BS.
I think his words are BS.
Symmetry wrote:That is interesting. I'd have thought she'd be Duchess. Side quiz, which ruler of England lived the longest before QE2?
Symmetry wrote:mrswdk wrote:Symmetry wrote:jonesthecurl wrote:She's also the head of state officially in the Channel Islands (Jersey/Guernsey/Alderney etc) - but not as Queen, as Duke of Normandy. Irrelevant I know, but I think a fun fact.
That is interesting. I'd have thought she'd be Duchess. Side quiz, which ruler of England lived the longest before QE2?
Julius Caesar.
Nope, but you have the right idea in thinking outside the box. Much more recent though.
mrswdk wrote:Symmetry wrote:mrswdk wrote:Symmetry wrote:jonesthecurl wrote:She's also the head of state officially in the Channel Islands (Jersey/Guernsey/Alderney etc) - but not as Queen, as Duke of Normandy. Irrelevant I know, but I think a fun fact.
That is interesting. I'd have thought she'd be Duchess. Side quiz, which ruler of England lived the longest before QE2?
Julius Caesar.
Nope, but you have the right idea in thinking outside the box. Much more recent though.
Bush?
Symmetry wrote:mrswdk wrote:Symmetry wrote:mrswdk wrote:Symmetry wrote:jonesthecurl wrote:She's also the head of state officially in the Channel Islands (Jersey/Guernsey/Alderney etc) - but not as Queen, as Duke of Normandy. Irrelevant I know, but I think a fun fact.
That is interesting. I'd have thought she'd be Duchess. Side quiz, which ruler of England lived the longest before QE2?
Julius Caesar.
Nope, but you have the right idea in thinking outside the box. Much more recent though.
Bush?
Nope, more obscure. Richard Cromwell. Died aged 85.
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Symmetry wrote:Nope, more obscure. Richard Cromwell. Died aged 85.
tzor wrote:Symmetry wrote:Nope, more obscure. Richard Cromwell. Died aged 85.
Oh (smacks head) "ruler of England." Wasn't thinking of the despots who commandeered the nation.
Symmetry wrote:The love/hate British affair with the Cromwells is pretty fascinating to me. Richard Cromwell is almost forgotten from history.
WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:Symmetry wrote:The love/hate British affair with the Cromwells is pretty fascinating to me. Richard Cromwell is almost forgotten from history.
Who loves Cromwell? Not sure why we get obsessive about him in particular, but i dont see the love for the man who banned christmas.
Symmetry wrote:As opposed to the other rulers?
tzor wrote:Symmetry wrote:As opposed to the other rulers?
Anointed by God (or in Arthur's case the Lady of the Lake) for their duty.
jonesthecurl wrote:She's also the head of state officially in the Channel Islands (Jersey/Guernsey/Alderney etc) - but not as Queen, as Duke of Normandy. Irrelevant I know, but I think a fun fact.
Careful there.... the Danes have the longest running monarchy.. and have a significantly smaller nation than England. Might be some dispute over who commandeered whom.jonesthecurl wrote:Yes, the Romans, Danes, Normans, etc didn't do any commandeering at all of course.
PLAYER57832 wrote:jonesthecurl wrote:She's also the head of state officially in the Channel Islands (Jersey/Guernsey/Alderney etc) - but not as Queen, as Duke of Normandy. Irrelevant I know, but I think a fun fact.
lol-- it is fun, though when you say "Channel Islands", my first thought is a different location -- other ocean, south of the Bay Area.Careful there.... the Danes have the longest running monarchy.. and have a significantly smaller nation than England. Might be some dispute over who commandeered whom.jonesthecurl wrote:Yes, the Romans, Danes, Normans, etc didn't do any commandeering at all of course.![]()
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but not a serious dispute
Symmetry wrote:I'm not sure that the Lady of the Lake anointed Arthur in the story, will have to re-read my Mallory.
Edgar was crowned at Bath and anointed with his wife Ælfthryth, setting a precedent for a coronation of a queen in England itself. Edgar's coronation did not happen until 973, in an imperial ceremony planned not as the initiation, but as the culmination of his reign (a move that must have taken a great deal of preliminary diplomacy). This service, devised by Dunstan himself and celebrated with a poem in the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle, forms the basis of the present-day British coronation ceremony.
tzor wrote:Symmetry wrote:I'm not sure that the Lady of the Lake anointed Arthur in the story, will have to re-read my Mallory.
No he didn't. The actual linking of the King of England with the anointed Kings of Israel (like King Solomon) isn't made until around A.D. 973 with the coronation of King Edgar at Bath Abbey. The Lady only handed Arthur a sword.Edgar was crowned at Bath and anointed with his wife Ælfthryth, setting a precedent for a coronation of a queen in England itself. Edgar's coronation did not happen until 973, in an imperial ceremony planned not as the initiation, but as the culmination of his reign (a move that must have taken a great deal of preliminary diplomacy). This service, devised by Dunstan himself and celebrated with a poem in the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle, forms the basis of the present-day British coronation ceremony.
IDK...Symmetry wrote:PLAYER57832 wrote:Careful there.... the Danes have the longest running monarchy.. and have a significantly smaller nation than England. Might be some dispute over who commandeered whom.jonesthecurl wrote:Yes, the Romans, Danes, Normans, etc didn't do any commandeering at all of course.![]()
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but not a serious dispute
Older than the Japanese monarchy?
Symmetry wrote:She's not the queen of Bolivia, the Vatican, or all English swans
PLAYER57832 wrote:Symmetry wrote:She's not the queen of Bolivia, the Vatican, or all English swans
Got it mostly correct, but I thought that all swans were technically royal holdings? (or am I thinking of something else...?)
Symmetry wrote:tzor wrote:Symmetry wrote:I'm not sure that the Lady of the Lake anointed Arthur in the story, will have to re-read my Mallory.
No he didn't. The actual linking of the King of England with the anointed Kings of Israel (like King Solomon) isn't made until around A.D. 973 with the coronation of King Edgar at Bath Abbey. The Lady only handed Arthur a sword.Edgar was crowned at Bath and anointed with his wife Ælfthryth, setting a precedent for a coronation of a queen in England itself. Edgar's coronation did not happen until 973, in an imperial ceremony planned not as the initiation, but as the culmination of his reign (a move that must have taken a great deal of preliminary diplomacy). This service, devised by Dunstan himself and celebrated with a poem in the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle, forms the basis of the present-day British coronation ceremony.
I was pretty sure that wasn't the case. Wasn't sure if the "Rex quondam rexque futurus" bit was from the Lady of the Lake in the myth.
jonesthecurl wrote:Symmetry wrote:tzor wrote:Symmetry wrote:I'm not sure that the Lady of the Lake anointed Arthur in the story, will have to re-read my Mallory.
No he didn't. The actual linking of the King of England with the anointed Kings of Israel (like King Solomon) isn't made until around A.D. 973 with the coronation of King Edgar at Bath Abbey. The Lady only handed Arthur a sword.Edgar was crowned at Bath and anointed with his wife Ælfthryth, setting a precedent for a coronation of a queen in England itself. Edgar's coronation did not happen until 973, in an imperial ceremony planned not as the initiation, but as the culmination of his reign (a move that must have taken a great deal of preliminary diplomacy). This service, devised by Dunstan himself and celebrated with a poem in the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle, forms the basis of the present-day British coronation ceremony.
I was pretty sure that wasn't the case. Wasn't sure if the "Rex quondam rexque futurus" bit was from the Lady of the Lake in the myth.
All the Lady in the Lake did was to hand him Excalibur (and its magical scabbard). He was already King at that point, having drawn the other sword from the stone.
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