Tomorrow: The True Independence Day

[mrswdk]

Maybe betiko could point us towards some French people who the Americans among us could thank for the way the French came along and helped the British colonies overthrow the British motherland and thereby keep their slaves.

[tzor]

Maybe betiko could point us towards some French people who the Americans among us could thank for the way the French came along and helped the British colonies overthrow the British motherland and thereby keep their slaves.

The British were not trying to take away the slaves.

The movement against slavery in the UK didn't start until 1783.

The Slave Trade didn't get outlawed by the UK until 1808.

The Parliament of the UK didn't outlaw slavery until 1833.

Yes they were complaining and laughing that people who owned slaves were writing about "inalienable rights." The "Age of Enlightenment" movement was only growing in England and France at the time. This is an important key in understanding the French role.

Speaking of Foreign expertise, let's not forget the day of August 30 ... "On learning of the American Revolution, Andrzej Tadeusz Bonawentura Kościuszko, himself a man of revolutionary aspirations, sympathetic to the American cause and an advocate of human rights, sailed for America in June 1776 along with other foreign officers, likely with the help of a French supporter of the American revolutionaries, Pierre Beaumarchais. On August 30, 1776, Kościuszko submitted an application to the United States Congress; he was assigned to the United States War Department the next day."



YAY Poland! There's even a bridge in Brooklyn named after him.

[mrswdk]

The British Empire was a global beacon of human rights at the time.

The British settlers sensed the threat to their lawless way of life and - eager to retain their slaves, displace and persecute the native Americans, and install a militant government to secure their hold over the region - lashed out.

[tzor]

The biggest promoters of independence were actually the northern industrialists. The colonial model was that raw material was taken from the colony, brought to the motherland to be used in manufacturing and then shipped back to the colonies. States like Massachusetts, with large natural resources and New York, with a number of places of significant water power wanted to manufacture things directly. It was their opposition to the status quo, not the generally vulnerable slave owning tobacco farmers in the south that Great Britain feared the most and where the troops were initially sent before the colonies declared independence.

[thegreekdog]

As we all know, December 16th was the date on which the French agreed to ally with the young United States. So I ask my American brethren: have you thanked a frog today for liberating your country?

You should write your senator and inform him of this gross oversight of history. US wasn't made a nation on July 4... it was over a year later when the French recognized the government.

I think the United States has already sent over enough thankyous.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II

[tzor]

WWII was payment for stealing the Red, White and Blue so it doesn't count.

France stole (1794) the colors from the US (1776), who in turn stole them from the UK (1707).

It pays to get the order right, you know.

[Bernie Sanders]

WWII was payment for stealing the Red, White and Blue so it doesn't count.

France stole (1794) the colors from the US (1776), who in turn stole them from the UK (1707).

It pays to get the order right, you know.

Should we give England a patent for the color scheme? They should demand some sort of royalties! Wait a second we did pay back England in WWI and WWII, nevermind.

[tzor]

Should we give England a patent for the color scheme? They should demand some sort of royalties! Wait a second we did pay back England in WWI and WWII, nevermind.

You do know we entered WWI to save France's bottom, not England's. Then after sending in all the troops, we paid France for inferior crappy weapons when we could have used our own superior ones. The sick plans of a lying bigot (lying as he was elected on the premise that he kept us from the great war and bigot as he was the one who screen "Birth of a Nation" in the White House) got us into WWI and almost got us into the abomination known as the "League of Nations."

We left England out to dry while Hitler flew over it night and day with bombs in WWII. We would have horribly lost WWII had FDR not abandoned his horrible anti-business principles in order to *gasp* win a war and an industrialist agreed to work with him in order to bring production up to full capacity.

[mrswdk]

We left England out to dry while Hitler flew over it night and day with bombs in WWII. We would have horribly lost WWII had FDR not abandoned his horrible anti-business principles in order to *gasp* win a war and an industrialist agreed to work with him in order to bring production up to full capacity.

And then he sent those Reds packing!

[Bernie Sanders]

Should we give England a patent for the color scheme? They should demand some sort of royalties! Wait a second we did pay back England in WWI and WWII, nevermind.

You do know we entered WWI to save France's bottom, not England's. Then after sending in all the troops, we paid France for inferior crappy weapons when we could have used our own superior ones. The sick plans of a lying bigot (lying as he was elected on the premise that he kept us from the great war and bigot as he was the one who screen "Birth of a Nation" in the White House) got us into WWI and almost got us into the abomination known as the "League of Nations."

We left England out to dry while Hitler flew over it night and day with bombs in WWII. We would have horribly lost WWII had FDR not abandoned his horrible anti-business principles in order to *gasp* win a war and an industrialist agreed to work with him in order to bring production up to full capacity.

Get it straight Tzor, since you want to go back 100 years and snipe at a Democratic President and point your finger at President Roosevelt who had to come up with ways to help Great Britain against the Nazis, against the wishes of the isolationist Republicans. Roosevelt helped the English before we went to war, despite what you may believe.

How much drivel you waste on partisan garbage is amazing.