The oil crisis is over!!!!!!!

[Hologram]

Exactly, I have noticed a TON of small motorcycles and scooters around (I ride an old Honda CB450, it gets about 60mpg, but it still fun to toss around too). But I also drive/race a camaro, and a Jeep. I am trying to not be a hypocrite, because trust me, I am not happy when I have to put $100 worth of gas in my cars each week to get to and from work. But, if it bothered me enough, I could very well do something about it. So, I don't have anyone to blame but myself. I think that the people of the U.S. (and Europe, Asia, or wherever) who are up in arms about the lack of alternative energy, or the lack of congress to do something, or how President "Dubya" isn't doing anything. Need to take a long hard look at what THEY are doing. At some point, we have to figure out that someone else isn't going to fix this. You don't want to spend $4.50/gal for fuel, then don't. Ride public transit, buy a little car that gets 60mpg, or whatever. So long as we globaly keep pushing the demand up, the prices are going to go up. That is the way it works. If the demand of crude oil was low enough, the OPEC nations couldn't give the stuff away.

Yeah, we really don't have public transit of any sort in Wyoming. And them little cars are pretty expensive. Motorcycles and scooters though, would do alright during the warmer months, but once winter rolls in, right back to trucks and the like.

Or proper warm clothes. Much cheaper than the gas of those trucks and/or a new little hydrogen or hybrid car.

[muy_thaiguy]

Exactly, I have noticed a TON of small motorcycles and scooters around (I ride an old Honda CB450, it gets about 60mpg, but it still fun to toss around too). But I also drive/race a camaro, and a Jeep. I am trying to not be a hypocrite, because trust me, I am not happy when I have to put $100 worth of gas in my cars each week to get to and from work. But, if it bothered me enough, I could very well do something about it. So, I don't have anyone to blame but myself. I think that the people of the U.S. (and Europe, Asia, or wherever) who are up in arms about the lack of alternative energy, or the lack of congress to do something, or how President "Dubya" isn't doing anything. Need to take a long hard look at what THEY are doing. At some point, we have to figure out that someone else isn't going to fix this. You don't want to spend $4.50/gal for fuel, then don't. Ride public transit, buy a little car that gets 60mpg, or whatever. So long as we globaly keep pushing the demand up, the prices are going to go up. That is the way it works. If the demand of crude oil was low enough, the OPEC nations couldn't give the stuff away.

Yeah, we really don't have public transit of any sort in Wyoming. And them little cars are pretty expensive. Motorcycles and scooters though, would do alright during the warmer months, but once winter rolls in, right back to trucks and the like.

Or proper warm clothes. Much cheaper than the gas of those trucks and/or a new little hydrogen or hybrid car.

Yeah, no. I'm not walking 2-3 miles where there is heavy traffic in about -40 degree weather for a class or something that only lasts about an hour an a half. Trust me, we know how to dress warmly, but there is a limit to what a heavy coat, hat, and gloves can do.

[Hologram]

Exactly, I have noticed a TON of small motorcycles and scooters around (I ride an old Honda CB450, it gets about 60mpg, but it still fun to toss around too). But I also drive/race a camaro, and a Jeep. I am trying to not be a hypocrite, because trust me, I am not happy when I have to put $100 worth of gas in my cars each week to get to and from work. But, if it bothered me enough, I could very well do something about it. So, I don't have anyone to blame but myself. I think that the people of the U.S. (and Europe, Asia, or wherever) who are up in arms about the lack of alternative energy, or the lack of congress to do something, or how President "Dubya" isn't doing anything. Need to take a long hard look at what THEY are doing. At some point, we have to figure out that someone else isn't going to fix this. You don't want to spend $4.50/gal for fuel, then don't. Ride public transit, buy a little car that gets 60mpg, or whatever. So long as we globaly keep pushing the demand up, the prices are going to go up. That is the way it works. If the demand of crude oil was low enough, the OPEC nations couldn't give the stuff away.

Yeah, we really don't have public transit of any sort in Wyoming. And them little cars are pretty expensive. Motorcycles and scooters though, would do alright during the warmer months, but once winter rolls in, right back to trucks and the like.

Or proper warm clothes. Much cheaper than the gas of those trucks and/or a new little hydrogen or hybrid car.

Yeah, no. I'm not walking 2-3 miles where there is heavy traffic in about -40 degree weather for a class or something that only lasts about an hour an a half. Trust me, we know how to dress warmly, but there is a limit to what a heavy coat, hat, and gloves can do.

No, warm clothes while riding motorcycle/scooter. Though, the motorcycle may have problems working in cold weather, so you have a point there.

[Iliad]

Exactly, I have noticed a TON of small motorcycles and scooters around (I ride an old Honda CB450, it gets about 60mpg, but it still fun to toss around too). But I also drive/race a camaro, and a Jeep. I am trying to not be a hypocrite, because trust me, I am not happy when I have to put $100 worth of gas in my cars each week to get to and from work. But, if it bothered me enough, I could very well do something about it. So, I don't have anyone to blame but myself. I think that the people of the U.S. (and Europe, Asia, or wherever) who are up in arms about the lack of alternative energy, or the lack of congress to do something, or how President "Dubya" isn't doing anything. Need to take a long hard look at what THEY are doing. At some point, we have to figure out that someone else isn't going to fix this. You don't want to spend $4.50/gal for fuel, then don't. Ride public transit, buy a little car that gets 60mpg, or whatever. So long as we globaly keep pushing the demand up, the prices are going to go up. That is the way it works. If the demand of crude oil was low enough, the OPEC nations couldn't give the stuff away.

Yeah, we really don't have public transit of any sort in Wyoming. And them little cars are pretty expensive. Motorcycles and scooters though, would do alright during the warmer months, but once winter rolls in, right back to trucks and the like.

Or proper warm clothes. Much cheaper than the gas of those trucks and/or a new little hydrogen or hybrid car.

Yeah, no. I'm not walking 2-3 miles where there is heavy traffic in about -40 degree weather for a class or something that only lasts about an hour an a half. Trust me, we know how to dress warmly, but there is a limit to what a heavy coat, hat, and gloves can do.

Don't just complain then! Lobby to have some a proper bus system, especially in the winter.

[Iliad]

Exactly, I have noticed a TON of small motorcycles and scooters around (I ride an old Honda CB450, it gets about 60mpg, but it still fun to toss around too). But I also drive/race a camaro, and a Jeep. I am trying to not be a hypocrite, because trust me, I am not happy when I have to put $100 worth of gas in my cars each week to get to and from work. But, if it bothered me enough, I could very well do something about it. So, I don't have anyone to blame but myself. I think that the people of the U.S. (and Europe, Asia, or wherever) who are up in arms about the lack of alternative energy, or the lack of congress to do something, or how President "Dubya" isn't doing anything. Need to take a long hard look at what THEY are doing. At some point, we have to figure out that someone else isn't going to fix this. You don't want to spend $4.50/gal for fuel, then don't. Ride public transit, buy a little car that gets 60mpg, or whatever. So long as we globaly keep pushing the demand up, the prices are going to go up. That is the way it works. If the demand of crude oil was low enough, the OPEC nations couldn't give the stuff away.

Yeah, we really don't have public transit of any sort in Wyoming. And them little cars are pretty expensive. Motorcycles and scooters though, would do alright during the warmer months, but once winter rolls in, right back to trucks and the like.

Or proper warm clothes. Much cheaper than the gas of those trucks and/or a new little hydrogen or hybrid car.

Yeah, no. I'm not walking 2-3 miles where there is heavy traffic in about -40 degree weather for a class or something that only lasts about an hour an a half. Trust me, we know how to dress warmly, but there is a limit to what a heavy coat, hat, and gloves can do.

Don't just complain then! Lobby to have some a proper bus system, especially in the winter.EDIT: I live close to my school so I just cycle. Then again I live in Australia, where it get as cold as *gasp* 5-10 during winter

[muy_thaiguy]

Can't be helped though, the school is out where there aren't any houses or apartments. We kind of have a bus system, but it is meant for the elderly/handicapped/etc.

Also, do you mean 5-10 "C" or "F"? Because that is quite a difference.

[Iliad]

Can't be helped though, the school is out where there aren't any houses or apartments. We kind of have a bus system, but it is meant for the elderly/handicapped/etc.

Also, do you mean 5-10 "C" or "F"? Because that is quite a difference.

Celcius
Well then lobby for a bust stop near the school for the students

[dewey316]

Or move. It is a choice you can make. We all get choices, there is nothing that says you *have* to live there. You have just put it as something that is a higher priority that the finicial burden that it creates through the cost of fuel. On the converse, the price of housing in somewhere warm, may outwiegh the cost of fuel in Wyoming. There isn't a right and a wrong here. I am not attacking you. But before people start expecting the government is going to bail them out of high fuel costs, they best examine their choices and where they prioritise things like driving a car everywhere.

It got way off topic, I just get sick and tired of people who insist on using large ammounts of fuel which is a CHOICE they make. Wether directly or indirectly (in your case, it is indirect, you choice where you live, and where you live, you need to use larger ammounts of fuel) are still choices. Look at what you can do to change things, before you expect that someone else will fix it for you.

[muy_thaiguy]

Or move. It is a choice you can make. We all get choices, there is nothing that says you *have* to live there. You have just put it as something that is a higher priority that the finicial burden that it creates through the cost of fuel. On the converse, the price of housing in somewhere warm, may outwiegh the cost of fuel in Wyoming. There isn't a right and a wrong here. I am not attacking you. But before people start expecting the government is going to bail them out of high fuel costs, they best examine their choices and where they prioritise things like driving a car everywhere.

It got way off topic, I just get sick and tired of people who insist on using large ammounts of fuel which is a CHOICE they make. Wether directly or indirectly (in your case, it is indirect, you choice where you live, and where you live, you need to use larger ammounts of fuel) are still choices. Look at what you can do to change things, before you expect that someone else will fix it for you.

Problem with moving somewhere is, that I like living here. And from what I've been seeing, Wyoming has cheaper gas then most parts of the country (at many gas stations in town, it hasn't gone over the $4 mark yet, though it is close). My family and friends live here, plus I am able to go to school here a lot cheaper then I would out of state. Plus, in my town, there are 3 different schools I can attend. 1 of which is a Junior College (which I am currently attending), WyoTech (no plans to go there, but I do know several students and a lot of the staff there), and then after I graduate from the Junior College, I'll head to the University (which, oddly enough, is only a few blocks away). So as you can see, after I get done with the Junior College, I'll be able to walk (for the most part) to class. I also live close enough to several stores that I can (normally) walk to.
However, many people move here, or stay here (whichever the case may be), because they say that people here are friendlier here then elsewhere. Of course there are those people who come here with pre-conceived notions about us and refuse to get to know anyone. Wyoming tends to be a "Love it or Hate it" kind of state. Anyways, the point I was making is that those of us who like it here, would rather endure the weather instead of move away.

[muy_thaiguy]

Can't be helped though, the school is out where there aren't any houses or apartments. We kind of have a bus system, but it is meant for the elderly/handicapped/etc.

Also, do you mean 5-10 "C" or "F"? Because that is quite a difference.

Celcius
Well then lobby for a bust stop near the school for the students

There's a University one, but the school I go too is in a fairly new area (was in the middle of town, now on the outskirts) and really hasn't had time to get a bus stop. Though, with the way it keeps growing (in about 4 years, went from 400 students to about 1000), they may before to long.

[dewey316]

Anyways, the point I was making is that those of us who like it here, would rather endure the weather instead of move away.

And endure the lack of being able to get away with walking or riding a motorcycle/scooter, or using public transit. I don't blame you, I love where i live, even with its high gas prices, and I choose to live 40 miles from work. But, I am willing to accept that they are choices that I have made. That is my point. This is all about choices.

Just like the lack of small high-mpg cars out there. Its a choice, everyone complains that they aren't enough of them, and that if the car makers would only make them, then our oil demand would go down. But here is the deal, the reason they aren't for sale is because they don't sell. Everyone wants their neighbor to buy one, so that fuel prices can go down, so they can fill the 80 gallon tank, on the 9 seater SUV. All I am saying, is that our own selfishness got us here, and it is what is keeping us here.

[muy_thaiguy]

Anyways, the point I was making is that those of us who like it here, would rather endure the weather instead of move away.

And endure the lack of being able to get away with walking or riding a motorcycle/scooter, or using public transit. I don't blame you, I love where i live, even with its high gas prices, and I choose to live 40 miles from work. But, I am willing to accept that they are choices that I have made. That is my point. This is all about choices.

Just like the lack of small high-mpg cars out there. Its a choice, everyone complains that they aren't enough of them, and that if the car makers would only make them, then our oil demand would go down. But here is the deal, the reason they aren't for sale is because they don't sell. Everyone wants their neighbor to buy one, so that fuel prices can go down, so they can fill the 80 gallon tank, on the 9 seater SUV. All I am saying, is that our own selfishness got us here, and it is what is keeping us here.

In all honesty, I haven't really seen many of those cars around here. But for the people who live and work on ranches, cars in general just aren't going to cut it. Not many people drive SUVs, but a lot do drive trucks, and we do use the trucks to haul stuff around. So if the people making these fuel efficient cars could do the same with trucks, then that would make life a LOT easier for many people.

[dewey316]

I am not sure what your point is. Of course there aren't many there, they aren't practical. If it isn't practicle there, it won't sell. That is the way stuff works. Car makers make what sells. PERIOD. If small fuel efficient sold well, we would see the car makers making them in huge numbers. That is my exact point. I don't expect a rancher to buy a prius. If needs a work truck, I get that. He can also pass the fuel costs on when he sells his catle or farm goods. This is why we are seeing food costs go up.

I think you are missing my whole point. You, the rancher, me, and everyone else in here though, has made a choice. We choose to live where we do, we choose to drive the car we drive. You don't have to do anything. If you think you have to drive, you don't. You may have choosen to live where you need to drive to get to work, but you can move. You may have chosen to own a ranch, and need to drive a truck, you don't have to. What we are seeing, is the free market doing its thing. We all use a lot of fuel, the global demand keeps going up (some parts of the world are going down, but globaly it is going up). When the demand goes up, and the supply is not going up at the same rate, you get higher prices.

So, here is what we are left with. The prices are going up. We can't force anyone else to use less, so what can we do. We can either, suck it up and pay for it, because where or how we choose to live is more important. Or, we change our lifestyle, and use less. Or lastly, we complain and expect a bail-out.

I am ok with #1 and #2, do as you please. If you or I, are willing to pay and keep using fuel, whatever, its your money, or its my money. If we choose #2, great, you or I have choosen to save some money, good on you. But, don't resort to #3, and act like #1 and #2 aren't options. If it is really so bad, that you can't afford the fuel, then you had better start looking at option #2, and look at what changes you are willing ot make, until you reach a place where you are ok with how much you spend in fuel.

[Hologram]

So all the smart people went to Wyoming.... Now it suddenly makes sense...

Quickly, kidnap everyone in Wyoming!!

[tzor]

Celcius

Anything positive in Celsius isn't really cold. (Unless you factor in a wind chill factor.) Real cold is well below freezing. Real cold is "it's too cold to snow." In some places 5 celsius (41 F) in the winter is a heat wave. When I'm bundled up for real cold, I would be sweating bullets if the temperature rose to 4 celsius.

Now minus 5 celsius is generally cold.

OK, back to the nature of cars. In the United States there has been a trend toward room and comfort. More over, as the trucking industry pressed the need for larger and larger cargo trucks (there are trucks that almost look like trains with two huge containers that are allowed on the interstate highway systems) there has always been a concern that bigger means safer. For the large family this explains the evolution of the family car from the station wagon to the mini van.

Not everyone is a rancher, but everyone fancies himself one. Ironically there was a feeble attempt to make a hybrid truck. The idea would have been perfect for the rancher/farmer and even construction worker because it would have created a integrated electric generator to power electric tools from the truck. I haven't heard about it recently, so it must be another American flop.

No it's the perks that drove the hybrid industry more than the savings. How many people bought a hybrid Toyota/Honda because of the ability to go solo on high occupancy vehicle lanes?