Who killed the electric car?

[Juan_Bottom]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296395,00.html
http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Sep10/ ... er,00.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kanzius

I wanted to go to YOUTUBE to find the actual FOX interview that I saw on tv, but I can't actually watch videos online, so I might embarrass myself with the wrong one.
But anyway here are some acticles about the 'burning salt water' thing.

[Curmudgeonx]

They had electric cars in the 40's, My great grandfather drove an electric bus. It was basically like bumper cars, There were 2 large antennas attached to the top of the bus. When they made contact with the metal paths, above the road, The car moved.

The bus system where I live (Dayton, Ohio) uses electric trolleys exactly as you describe. The buses only are for the city center and a mile or so out. The suburbs get the black smoke belchers.

[shadowsteel9]

Nope, hydrogen fuel
http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/watercar/h20car2.htm

You silly millie.

ELECTROLYSIS.

Understand what that means?

BUZZZZZZZZZZ.

Now what allows that machine to buzz up the water? Electricity... made from coal, nuclear power, dams.

Now, let's start counting steps.

In order to run a car on hydrogen, you have to BUZZZZZZ the water. You buzz the water with a machine plugged into an electrical grid. The electrical grid gets energy mostly from unclean sources that themselves take HUGE amounts of energy to obtain (drilling for oil, building a nuclear plant and disposing of its waste, building a dam and inadvertently killing wild salmon so we have to farm raise the masses' sushi).

Even if you buzzed the water directly at home, from your own solar cells, you are adding in a wasteful, INEFFICIENT step when current technology for electric engines is MORE EFFECTIVE AND MORE PRACTICAL than hydrogen cells.

I'm not talking about electrolysis, i'm talking about the instant hydrogen they can produce by mixing Salt with Water and running it over a sheet of metal alloy,(i've heard of them using aluminum also).; It causes the water to break apart apd pure hydrogen to be released.

The first process shown to us by Rothman Technologies uses water, salt, and an extremely inexpensive metal alloy. The gas that results from this process is pure hydrogen, a fuel that burns without the need for external oxygen — and gives off no pollution whatsoever.

From that page i posted eralier

[HungrySomali]

Great documentary. F the big petro companies.

[heavycola]

Car runs on water- 100 miles on 4 ounces of water

I've heard of that -- it turned out that the guy was just a phony though. Too bad.

BUT IT WAS ON YOUTUBE!!!1!1!

[btownmeggy]

I'm not talking about electrolysis, i'm talking about the instant hydrogen they can produce by mixing Salt with Water and running it over a sheet of metal alloy,(i've heard of them using aluminum also).; It causes the water to break apart apd pure hydrogen to be released.

The first process shown to us by Rothman Technologies uses water, salt, and an extremely inexpensive metal alloy. The gas that results from this process is pure hydrogen, a fuel that burns without the need for external oxygen — and gives off no pollution whatsoever.

From that page i posted eralier

Did you even read all the text from the link you posted? I'd especially recommend small print at the very bottom that says "Well, ok, it's not ACTUALLY salt. It's a different... kind... of... electrolyte. But maybe salt would work too."

[jonesthecurl]

http://www.runyourcarwithwater.com

I found this, and it looks perfectly credible......... maybe???

And what about that guy Fox News reported on? The one who found a way to burn salt water with micro-waves at 8000 degrees? He hasn't tried turning it into a motor though, he just wants to sell the patent.

A quick google on the subject of "Brown's Gas" will show you that this has been repeatedly debunked for over thirty years.

I dunno. That guy seemed legit. Hasn't anyone else seen it?

They even renamed Brown's gas because it had been comprehensively riduculed so often - but I guess we've got to the point where an advert can make us forget that. Try a google with "Brown's Gas" and "debunk". Or don't bother, and join the Flight From Reason.

It wasn't an advertisment, it was a news story. They did a ten minute interview with the guy and he told the story of how he accidently invented it. He was working on cure for cancer, and was trying to use radio waves sent through the body to kill cancer cells. He just wanted to see the effects of the radio waves on different things that make up the human body. Just doing some old fashion wood shop cancer research. Anyway, he even met with the department of defense to sell production rights. I did google Brown's gas, but I'm not certain that they are the same thing.

Your link took me to an advert, which was about Brown's Gas and said so.

[tzor]

There are a lot of arguments for who killed the electric car, but let's be honest, we all killed the electric car. But the electric car is not dead. In fact depending on your locale it's alive and well and even happy. I cite the great (but flat and not really above sea level) state of Florida where a ton of retirement communities exist with only electric golf carts putting around their streets. There are several electric cars on the market today. Yes today!

Check out EV World and Hybrid cars and you will see a number of electric cars available right now on the market!

The Myers NmG is a funky, single-occupant three-wheeled electric vehicle. That’s right, there’s just enough room for you and a cart’s worth of groceries. $36,000

Advanced plug in hybrids will be available starting in 2009 that will knock your socks off.

[shadowsteel9]

I'm not talking about electrolysis, i'm talking about the instant hydrogen they can produce by mixing Salt with Water and running it over a sheet of metal alloy,(i've heard of them using aluminum also).; It causes the water to break apart apd pure hydrogen to be released.

The first process shown to us by Rothman Technologies uses water, salt, and an extremely inexpensive metal alloy. The gas that results from this process is pure hydrogen, a fuel that burns without the need for external oxygen — and gives off no pollution whatsoever.

From that page i posted eralier

Did you even read all the text from the link you posted? I'd especially recommend small print at the very bottom that says "Well, ok, it's not ACTUALLY salt. It's a different... kind... of... electrolyte. But maybe salt would work too."

electrolysis is the process by which things are broken down by running electric current through them to separate chemically bonded materials. This process uses no electricity to separate the H2O molecules, it uses the catalist of the metal, which when reacting with the "salt" (Sodium Chloride is not the only type of salt) and the water, pulls the oxygen molecules towards the metal, freeing the hydrogen molecules in the process. From my understanding, the purpose of the "salt" is to stop the oxidation film from being produced on the metal, which would cause it to stop reacting with the water.

[Snorri1234]

Your link took me to an advert, which was about Brown's Gas and said so.

You should probably not have quoted the whole post though.

[Neoteny]

Nope, hydrogen fuel
http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/watercar/h20car2.htm

You silly millie.

ELECTROLYSIS.

Understand what that means?

BUZZZZZZZZZZ.

Now what allows that machine to buzz up the water? Electricity... made from coal, nuclear power, dams.

Now, let's start counting steps.

In order to run a car on hydrogen, you have to BUZZZZZZ the water. You buzz the water with a machine plugged into an electrical grid. The electrical grid gets energy mostly from unclean sources that themselves take HUGE amounts of energy to obtain (drilling for oil, building a nuclear plant and disposing of its waste, building a dam and inadvertently killing wild salmon so we have to farm raise the masses' sushi).

Even if you buzzed the water directly at home, from your own solar cells, you are adding in a wasteful, INEFFICIENT step when current technology for electric engines is MORE EFFECTIVE AND MORE PRACTICAL than hydrogen cells.

I'm not talking about electrolysis, i'm talking about the instant hydrogen they can produce by mixing Salt with Water and running it over a sheet of metal alloy,(i've heard of them using aluminum also).; It causes the water to break apart apd pure hydrogen to be released.

The first process shown to us by Rothman Technologies uses water, salt, and an extremely inexpensive metal alloy. The gas that results from this process is pure hydrogen, a fuel that burns without the need for external oxygen — and gives off no pollution whatsoever.

From that page i posted eralier

Has anyone googled Rothman Tech? Anyhow, this line is probably enough to disregard the entire thing...

"The amount of energy in the water molecule is thus vast, and has absolutely nothing to do with the amount of energy it takes to break down that molecule."

LOL Wut?

[Nickbaldwin]

"The amount of energy in the water molecule is thus vast, and has absolutely nothing to do with the amount of energy it takes to break down that molecule."

LOL Wut?

[shadowsteel9]

other companies have information on it also, that was just the first one i saw

[tzor]

The whole nature of water / hydrogen is a smokscreen because this is a battery technology. You need energy to seperate the molecules, and you get energy when you combine them and guess what you always get less than you needed in the first place. The process is not particularly efficient.

Having said that, the molecule water (HOH or H2O depeding on what side of the chemical fence you happen to be on) is a fascinating molecule in its own right. But really unless you are talking about high orders of nuclear fusion (the sun actaully fuses both hydrogen and oxygen) as a fuel source the moecule is weak at best.

We have evolved so greatly in battery technology and the next revolution is just around the corner that the use of water as a fuel source is akin to talking today about powering things by old fashioned water wheels. (Today we use water turbines.)

As for the potential energy in water ... we've known it ever since we started cooling down the machines that bored cannons. It's called the latent heat of fusion, the amount of energy it takes to briong water from a liquid to a gas state. You can even invert this as well. Did you know that solid water (ice) makes a good heat insulator? I'm not sure you can power a car with this however. Alas water is also heavy in addition to being great!

[Juan_Bottom]

Your link took me to an advert, which was about Brown's Gas and said so.

That was an advert, but that was also a joke. I'm not talking about that dude. Please check out the links that I posted later, the FOX News articles. Sorry about the miscommunication. This other story seems legit.

[Frigidus]

Your link took me to an advert, which was about Brown's Gas and said so.

That was an advert, but that was also a joke. I'm not talking about that dude. Please check out the links that I posted later, the FOX News articles. Sorry about the miscommunication. This other story seems legit.

If it was legit then it would have either been all over the news by this point or been quashed by Big Oil. Again. Considering the news bit hasn't happened, it's either a fake or been buried. Honestly though, I'd guess the former. Seems odd that some chump with some household tools did what teams of scientists have been unable to for years.

[Juan_Bottom]

Your link took me to an advert, which was about Brown's Gas and said so.

That was an advert, but that was also a joke. I'm not talking about that dude. Please check out the links that I posted later, the FOX News articles. Sorry about the miscommunication. This other story seems legit.

If it was legit then it would have either been all over the news by this point or been quashed by Big Oil. Again. Considering the news bit hasn't happened, it's either a fake or been buried. Honestly though, I'd guess the former. Seems odd that some chump with some household tools did what teams of scientists have been unable to for years.

It was all over the news. And he is a cancer researcher. This invention of his was an accident. Please read the articles. Seems to me that if he was a phony, then the Department of Defense wouldn't have had a meeeting with him.