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In God's Name

Postby Bertros Bertros on Wed May 21, 2008 3:41 am

Firstly apologies if this has already een discussed, I couldn't see it anywhere. Channel 4 ran a documentary this week called In God's Name following fundamentalist Christians in the UK, its on free on 4oD at the moment. I meant to post about it sooner when the memories were fresh but have been busy. Did anyone else see it and what did you think? The thing that stood out most for me was the contrast between the religious right here in the UK and in the US. Although there is a lot of similarity the influence and respect they command here is much less significant. The UK Christians just lack the polished, slick, well-rehearsed and practised debating and influencing skills that the US church has so succefully used to swell its numbers and increase its political clout. For me this is a good thing and I hope, though I am sure it is a futile hope, that they will stay this way.

Most notably for me perhaps was the headmaster of a Christian Faith school where creation was taught in science classes using a curriculum imported from the US and tests included questions such as how many days did God take to create the world. When pressed by the interviewer to justify teaching children that the earth was 6000 - 10000 years old he could barely string a sentence together in response let alone a cohesive argument and fell back on saying, "well if you look at this and teaching the earth is millions of years old I wonder which has more credibility?" Well clearly not you anyway mate if you can't even support your own beliefs.

Slightly more flippantly one thing that has made it here from the US is the bizarre concept of using the words 'Lord' and 'Father' as punctuation. From what I can tell Lord 'Lord' is about equivalent to a comma and should be used Lord at every opportunity Lord but when we finish a sentence Lord then we know Lord that we should use 'Father' Father. Can anyone explain the rationale behind this phenomenon?

All in all I'm glad the UK loonies haven't got their shit together yet but I guess its only a matter of time before the kool aid from the US kicks in and the slick, media savvy face of religious extremism is just as prevalent here as it is there.
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Re: In God's Name

Postby MeDeFe on Wed May 21, 2008 4:02 am

4od does not seem to work well wih firefox, all the menus and fields sort of overlap.
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Re: In God's Name

Postby Bertros Bertros on Wed May 21, 2008 4:23 am

MeDeFe wrote:4od does not seem to work well wih firefox, all the menus and fields sort of overlap.


Yup, and it is uses Kontiki (eurgh) and it doesn't play great with Vista DRM either, BBC iPlayer has all the same issues. I ended up ressurecting an old box, installing XP on it and using it just for media stuff (iplayer, 4oD, muzac etc), for me its worth it.
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Re: In God's Name

Postby heavycola on Wed May 21, 2008 4:30 am

Bertros Bertros wrote:
MeDeFe wrote:4od does not seem to work well wih firefox, all the menus and fields sort of overlap.


Yup, and it is uses Kontiki (eurgh) and it doesn't play great with Vista DRM either, BBC iPlayer has all the same issues. I ended up ressurecting an old box, installing XP on it and using it just for media stuff (iplayer, 4oD, muzac etc), for me its worth it.


Have you just hijacked your own thread, bertros?

I'll have to watch the programme. As far as these idiots teaching creationism to each other, it's not a problem at faith schools I guess. I wouldn't have a problem with Imams teaching creationism at a madrasa in the UK - I guess we just have to be optimistic that these kids learn to think for themselves.

Have you seen Jesus Camp yet? Well worth a squizz. I'll burn you a copy if not.
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Re: In God's Name

Postby MeDeFe on Wed May 21, 2008 4:35 am

Anyway, I only found 2 short clips on 4od, but not the whole program, do you have a link to that?
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Re: In God's Name

Postby Bertros Bertros on Wed May 21, 2008 4:49 am

MeDeFe: You'll need to install the 4oD player application to watch the full show, its good, they have pretty much everything interesting thats been on in the last 30 days for free, a massive archive of all the series they run and tonnes of films. I'm not sure you're allowed it outside the UK though :(

Heavy: Yup guess I did hijack myself, DOH! I did watch Jesus Camp yeah but refrained from getting involved here as I was a little late to see it. Do watch it, its very interesting, a little worrying, but overall reassuring that the extremists are yet to reach the levels of organisation, unity and panache that the US fundamentalists operate with.

As an aside the use of the words 'extremist' and 'fundamentalist' are not mine. Throughout the programme the Christians being followed even themselves use these terms. I thought that was interesting too considering the negative connatations that are associated with this off the back of other religious extremism, especially when the programme showed one of the major concerns for christian fundamentalists in the UK seems to be Islam's existence in general.
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Re: In God's Name

Postby MeDeFe on Wed May 21, 2008 4:54 am

hmm, maybe I can use a proxy.
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