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Do you believe that we are alone in the universe?

 
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Postby heavycola on Wed Jan 09, 2008 11:03 am

unriggable wrote:Definitly not. We are talking millions of billions of stars per galaxy, and thousands, maybe millions, of galaxies.

I hope that the aliens won't be like the covenant from halo.


But if they are, we will have an entire generation of young men and women who are incredibly skilled at killing them. Plus the war would be fun.
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Postby got tonkaed on Wed Jan 09, 2008 1:33 pm

i would just say i find it rather astonishing that humanity would be so bold to claim there is nothing out there in the university that does not at least equal or far exceed us on a variety of levels of sophistication.
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Postby MeDeFe on Wed Jan 09, 2008 1:51 pm

heavycola wrote:
unriggable wrote:Definitly not. We are talking millions of billions of stars per galaxy, and thousands, maybe millions, of galaxies.

I hope that the aliens won't be like the covenant from halo.

But if they are, we will have an entire generation of young men and women who are incredibly skilled at killing them. Plus the war would be fun.

If they're insectile I'll be your master strategist, I could beat a Zerg player any day back when Starcraft was cool.
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Postby heavycola on Wed Jan 09, 2008 2:04 pm

MeDeFe wrote:
heavycola wrote:
unriggable wrote:Definitly not. We are talking millions of billions of stars per galaxy, and thousands, maybe millions, of galaxies.

I hope that the aliens won't be like the covenant from halo.

But if they are, we will have an entire generation of young men and women who are incredibly skilled at killing them. Plus the war would be fun.

If they're insectile I'll be your master strategist, I could beat a Zerg player any day back when Starcraft was cool.


And i bet your parents thought you were wasting your time playing starcraft, too... they will eat their words when we save the planet
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Postby Minister Masket on Wed Jan 09, 2008 2:50 pm

Neutrino wrote:
Minister Masket wrote:You, or the book which you found that statement you posted in the 1st post, have severly over-estimated pathetic hu-mans.

At least one thing is certain. If there is other life out there, you can guarantee that we will go to war with it.


Even if they are massively superior to us in every concievable way.
"Type 2 or 3 Civilization? Who cares about an incredible technilogical edge? Attack!"

We'd still probably win from sheer numbers. 2 things hu-mans are good at:
Reproducing and Dying
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Postby browng-08 on Wed Jan 09, 2008 2:59 pm

Minister Masket wrote:
Neutrino wrote:
Minister Masket wrote:You, or the book which you found that statement you posted in the 1st post, have severly over-estimated pathetic hu-mans.

At least one thing is certain. If there is other life out there, you can guarantee that we will go to war with it.


Even if they are massively superior to us in every concievable way.
"Type 2 or 3 Civilization? Who cares about an incredible technilogical edge? Attack!"

We'd still probably win from sheer numbers. 2 things hu-mans are good at:
Reproducing and Dying
And tasting like chicken!
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Postby ritz627 on Wed Jan 09, 2008 3:38 pm

Minister Masket wrote:You, or the book which you found that statement you posted in the 1st post, have severly over-estimated pathetic hu-mans.

At least one thing is certain. If there is other life out there, you can guarantee that we will go to war with it.


I wrote it for an essay in my composition class, we got to write about whatever we wanted...

Yea, i know bacteria are better at adapting...but we are considered the top of the food chain, and the most intelligent beings, and the pinnacle of life on earth in that regard.

But w/e, my point was that we consider ourselves to be the peak of life, and look back at our accomplishments, and still have not discovered whether or not life exists on another planet (or moon...or asteroid...or comet or whatever). This, of course, would be quite a groundbreaking discovery.
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Postby ritz627 on Wed Jan 09, 2008 3:51 pm

AlgyTaylor wrote:Maybe. Possibly not alone in the universe, but I don't think that we'll ever get to "meet" an alien (the human race as opposed to this generation).

The chances of life occuring elsewhere are astronomical (pun intended) - probably not astronomical enough that there's no other life, but astronomical enough that we might well be alone in the galaxy - in terms of 'intelligent' life at least.

Also bear in mind that Alpha Centuri is fucking miles away (2.3 billion-ish, off the top of my head) and the chances of us or them managing even that measily distance - relative to the size of the galaxy, let alone the universe - is pretty much nil.

Basically I think we might as well be :)


Yea, I mentioned the Alpha Centauri system. Alpha Centauri A and B (I believe) harbor the greatest possibility of life on another solar system close to us (in astronomy terms). We would of course need very advanced technology to reach it. But with advancement in telescopes, etc, we are able to detect the presence of other planets, and hopefully we will soon be able to overcome the fact the the stars' brightness overshadows the actual planet itself, making it not visible. If we could see the planet, we might even be able to see visible signs of life there.

But do not rule out Europa as a potential spot for life - and even intelligent life. It is basically a vast ice encased ocean. Considering that life started off on earth in water, it is very possible that intelligent life exists there. Granted, it would have to overcome large doses of radiation, but life never ceases to amaze us on earth.
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Postby Fieryo on Wed Jan 09, 2008 4:40 pm

We're always talking about "life as we know it". With the sheer number of variables needed to make life in the first place being fewer than for "life as we know it", I find it more conceivable for their to be life out there, somewhere, that is not "as we know it". Silicon based, plasma based, something other than what Gene Roddenberry or Isaac Asimov could ever dream of.
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Postby Dancing Mustard on Wed Jan 09, 2008 4:42 pm

browng-08 wrote:
Minister Masket wrote:We'd still probably win from sheer numbers. 2 things hu-mans are good at:
Reproducing and Dying
And tasting like chicken!

Pork actually...
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Postby Napoleon Ier on Wed Jan 09, 2008 4:43 pm

Dancing Mustard wrote:
browng-08 wrote:
Minister Masket wrote:We'd still probably win from sheer numbers. 2 things hu-mans are good at:
Reproducing and Dying
And tasting like chicken!

Pork actually...

Infidel. That's not hallal.
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Postby Dancing Mustard on Wed Jan 09, 2008 4:45 pm

Napoleon Ier wrote:
Dancing Mustard wrote:
browng-08 wrote:
Minister Masket wrote:We'd still probably win from sheer numbers. 2 things hu-mans are good at:
Reproducing and Dying
And tasting like chicken!

Pork actually...
Infidel. That's not hallal.

Just telling it like it is homeboy...


Allah is however always welcome to suck my bacon-tasting cock if he disagrees.
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Postby Napoleon Ier on Wed Jan 09, 2008 4:48 pm

Dancing Mustard wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:
Dancing Mustard wrote:
browng-08 wrote:
Minister Masket wrote:We'd still probably win from sheer numbers. 2 things hu-mans are good at:
Reproducing and Dying
And tasting like chicken!

Pork actually...
Infidel. That's not hallal.

Just telling it like it is homeboy...


Allah is however always welcome to suck my bacon-tasting cock if he disagrees.


Brilliant :D
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Postby Neutrino on Wed Jan 09, 2008 5:35 pm

ritz627 wrote:
Yea, I mentioned the Alpha Centauri system. Alpha Centauri A and B (I believe) harbor the greatest possibility of life on another solar system close to us (in astronomy terms). We would of course need very advanced technology to reach it. But with advancement in telescopes, etc, we are able to detect the presence of other planets, and hopefully we will soon be able to overcome the fact the the stars' brightness overshadows the actual planet itself, making it not visible. If we could see the planet, we might even be able to see visible signs of life there.




Pfft. Alpha Centauri is easy. All you need is some nukes, a large pusherplate and a lot of radiation shielding. And long-term closed-system life support, I suppose, but that's someone elses problem.
Drop a nuke behind your craft, and detonate it. Do it again. And again. Continue 'til you have used roughly half your stockpile (presumably you want to stop).
You should end up with quite a decent velocity at the end of it (a few percent, easy) for only the low, low price of roughly a tenth of the world's nuclear stockpile.
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Postby Frigidus on Wed Jan 09, 2008 5:46 pm

Neutrino wrote:
ritz627 wrote:
Yea, I mentioned the Alpha Centauri system. Alpha Centauri A and B (I believe) harbor the greatest possibility of life on another solar system close to us (in astronomy terms). We would of course need very advanced technology to reach it. But with advancement in telescopes, etc, we are able to detect the presence of other planets, and hopefully we will soon be able to overcome the fact the the stars' brightness overshadows the actual planet itself, making it not visible. If we could see the planet, we might even be able to see visible signs of life there.




Pfft. Alpha Centauri is easy. All you need is some nukes, a large pusherplate and a lot of radiation shielding. And long-term closed-system life support, I suppose, but that's someone elses problem.
Drop a nuke behind your craft, and detonate it. Do it again. And again. Continue 'til you have used roughly half your stockpile (presumably you want to stop).
You should end up with quite a decent velocity at the end of it (a few percent, easy) for only the low, low price of roughly a tenth of the world's nuclear stockpile.


A tenth? Man, who stopped producing? Guys, we're gonna need way more if we intend to vanquish our enemies across the galaxy. Pull yourself together.
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Postby Bavarian Raven on Wed Jan 09, 2008 11:20 pm

Pfft. Alpha Centauri is easy. All you need is some nukes, a large pusherplate and a lot of radiation shielding. And long-term closed-system life support, I suppose, but that's someone elses problem.
Drop a nuke behind your craft, and detonate it. Do it again. And again. Continue 'til you have used roughly half your stockpile (presumably you want to stop).
You should end up with quite a decent velocity at the end of it (a few percent, easy) for only the low, low price of roughly a tenth of the world's nuclear stockpile.


good plan, except for the fact a human body could not survive the Gs...
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Postby browng-08 on Wed Jan 09, 2008 11:33 pm

Bavarian Raven wrote:
Pfft. Alpha Centauri is easy. All you need is some nukes, a large pusherplate and a lot of radiation shielding. And long-term closed-system life support, I suppose, but that's someone elses problem.
Drop a nuke behind your craft, and detonate it. Do it again. And again. Continue 'til you have used roughly half your stockpile (presumably you want to stop).
You should end up with quite a decent velocity at the end of it (a few percent, easy) for only the low, low price of roughly a tenth of the world's nuclear stockpile.


good plan, except for the fact a human body could not survive the Gs...
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Postby HayesA on Wed Jan 09, 2008 11:44 pm

I'd personally like to think about it this way:

"If we are alone in this universe, then it's a lot of wasted space."

There are billions of galaxies, and each with millions of stars, and each star could have who knows how many planets. I would be VERY surprised if not even one of those planets did not have life of some kind. Granted, life in general doesn't have to be "intelligent" by our standards. Basically, I'm under the impression that if there is a water source, there will most likely be life.
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Postby Neutrino on Thu Jan 10, 2008 3:09 am

Bavarian Raven wrote:
Pfft. Alpha Centauri is easy. All you need is some nukes, a large pusherplate and a lot of radiation shielding. And long-term closed-system life support, I suppose, but that's someone elses problem.
Drop a nuke behind your craft, and detonate it. Do it again. And again. Continue 'til you have used roughly half your stockpile (presumably you want to stop).
You should end up with quite a decent velocity at the end of it (a few percent, easy) for only the low, low price of roughly a tenth of the world's nuclear stockpile.


good plan, except for the fact a human body could not survive the Gs...


Well, true. Presumably you'd detonate the nukes when they are a fair distance away. You'd gain less velocity from each explosion, but I suppose that's the tradoff for survivability...
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Postby Dancing Mustard on Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:34 am

Bavarian Raven wrote:good plan, except for the fact a human body could not survive the Gs...
I think I could survive earning a few Gs.
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Postby AlgyTaylor on Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:34 am

Neutrino wrote:Pfft. Alpha Centauri is easy. All you need is some nukes, a large pusherplate and a lot of radiation shielding. And long-term closed-system life support, I suppose, but that's someone elses problem.
Drop a nuke behind your craft, and detonate it. Do it again. And again. Continue 'til you have used roughly half your stockpile (presumably you want to stop).
You should end up with quite a decent velocity at the end of it (a few percent, easy) for only the low, low price of roughly a tenth of the world's nuclear stockpile.

What, there'll be no asteroids/planets that don't orbit a star/general debris in between here & alpha centauri? :? Seems almost as implausible as a divine creator to me :wink:

And what do you think will happen when you collide in to a big rock at 10,000 miles per hour, which are the sort of speeds you'd be looking at at least. Off the top of my head I think that'd take you about 30 years to get there ...
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Postby Neutrino on Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:38 am

AlgyTaylor wrote:What, there'll be no asteroids/planets that don't orbit a star/general debris in between here & alpha centauri? :? Seems almost as implausible as a divine creator to me :wink:

And what do you think will happen when you collide in to a big rock at 10,000 miles per hour, which are the sort of speeds you'd be looking at at least. Off the top of my head I think that'd take you about 30 years to get there ...


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Although there are billions of asteriods in the Asteriod Belt, the volume they are contained within is so large that standing on the surface of one asteriod, you would be unable to see the next.
The Cassini probe passed right through the rings of Saturn (which appear solid) without hitting anything.
Admittedly, you won't actually need to hit a fully fledged asteriod to completely destroy your ship; something as big as your thumb will destroy a ship quite adequately. Still, the chances of hitting something even that small are negligible.
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