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How about a map depicting the war of 1812 between canada and the u.s there is a lot that can be done with it

It was a pretty dull war.

captainwalrus wrote:It was a pretty dull war.

Actually there were a good many battles, some boats on Lake Erie and Ontario sinking each other. Raids on forts near Detroit / Windsor, The Brits (and future Canadians) raiding Washington and burning down most of the city. Naval Blocakges, Tecumseh, battles at Queenston Heights and York (Toronto). America wanted all of NA, but the Brits beat them.

Jefferson said in 1812: "The acquisition of Canada this year, as far as the neighbourhood of Quebec, will be a mere matter of marching, and will give us the experience for the attack on Halifax, the next and final expulsion of England from the American continent."

And don't forget, the lyrics of the Star-Spangled Banner come from this war, not the war of independence.

Generally it was a shaping experience for a young America. It was a defining moment for future Canada and it was all set at a time of the tail end of single file open warfare. When hit and run tactics of the Aboriginals proved so successful (including the nighttime capture of an American fort) wars started to change.

What Americans forgot up to and even after 9/11 is this war. So many times did we here "9/11 is the first time America was attacked on its own soil..." Well thats complete bull as we burnt down mot of their capital.

I've been to most of the battle sites out by Niagara and there were a number of forts there on both sides of the rivers and lots of attempts to seize them. I always thought that might be a cool topic. Not to mention the battles on Lake Erie, been there as well. It could be quite cool with the islands and what have you.

Industrial Helix wrote:I've been to most of the battle sites out by Niagara and there were a number of forts there on both sides of the rivers and lots of attempts to seize them. I always thought that might be a cool topic. Not to mention the battles on Lake Erie, been there as well. It could be quite cool with the islands and what have you.

Put-In-Bay for the Win!

I have been to most of them too

Mad-elph wrote:
Put-In-Bay for the Win!

I have been to most of them too

Ah I live right in Sandusky, I take it you've been over there for some good times?

Might as well post some images of map ideas:



http://www.nps.gov/pevi/historyculture/battle_le_3.htm

I think you could make a decent map of it, but from what we learned in history it was just a bunch of mistakes then Andrew Jackson kicking ass after it was over.

captainwalrus wrote:I think you could make a decent map of it, but from what we learned in history it was just a bunch of mistakes then Andrew Jackson kicking ass after it was over.

Yeah, well learning history is a matter of unlearning what the past teacher taught you to be true.

I think 1812 was a rather exciting war. It didn't produce mistakes, but rather it never produced a decisive outcome.

Jackson's tremendous victory in New Orleans was a major triumph. But let's be honest, he wasn't exactly fighting Prussians. Mastery of the waters is Britain's forte, but Perry took the Royal Navy to battle on Lake Erie... and won.

But it doesn't matter, because the British sacked the capitol and burn it to the ground.

The Niagara region saw some very intense fighting. On the Canadian side of the river the British had lined up forts with all guns facing the United States and the US did just the same.

Thomas Jefferson believed at the start of the war that what had been started in 1776 would be finished and Canada brought into the Union of former British Colonies.

British leaders believed it their chance to finally close the brief interruption to their undisputed domination of the continent. A lot was riding on the war for both sides, none of which was resolved. As a consequence the unresolved issues between America and Britain would go on unaddressed until the first world war. Britain always feared that the Americans would make the grab for Canada at any time, especially during the Civil War where they could cover their losses in southern states. In the 1890s the US almost went to war with Britain over the same basic issues unresolved by 1812.

The War of 1812 also needs to be viewed in a global context. Consider the fact that Britain was fighting in Europe, that Napoleon was invading Russia, ect. The War of 1812, as we call it, was part of a World War.

It's not that it was a series of mistakes, it's just no issues between Britain and its former colonies were solved. Plenty occurred and I'ms ure it would be exciting enough for a map on CC. Since 13 Colonies is coming to its close, it might be something to consider.

I didnt think it would get much notice when i posted this. Nice to see people have good knowledge of what happened I'll look into maps and ideas of what can be done and post them

The War of 1812 should also be viewed from its importance to Native American cultures seeking security against American encroachment.

Britain relied very heavily on Indian forces in some theaters. Tecumseh's Indian Confederacy played a major part in the war. British guarantees of Indian sovereignty were at stake in the war of 1812. Although historians state that nothing was resolved by the war's end, they foolishly overlook that the future of Native American culture was very clearly spelled out by the British pulling out of Indian affairs and leaving them alone against the Americans.

A map involving 1812 would benefit I think from having Tecumseh's forces involved- he has some good quotes as well.

I initially thought this would be an idea themed on Tchaiskovsky's 1812 overture

It could make for an interesting map - the next step is to think about how conceptually you would represent the battle on a CC map

I've been going over maps and am still looking for one that would suit the range of battle that happend hopefully i can find one that i can use i may have to piece together more than one to get the right effect