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Re: XKCD i think the draft is done but im not sure.

Postby a.sub on Sun Nov 16, 2008 1:10 pm

Alright it took me a while (special thanks to Lack's tutorial) but i think i finally have it done!
criticisms?
Also i tried using the XML tester online to see if i got the coordinates correct but it wouldnt work for me, i even tried with firefox. help?
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<?xml version="1.0"?>
<map>
   <title>XKCD Map of the Internet</title>
   <smallwidth>630</smallwidth>
   <smallheight>595</smallheight>
   <largewidth>740</largewidth>
   <largeheight>699</largeheight>
   <filetype>jpg</filetype>

<continent>
   <name>Focus on Real Life (Yellow)</name>
   <bonus>3</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Myspace 1</territory>
      <territory>Myspace 2</territory>
      <territory>Cyworld</territory>
      <territory>Orkut</territory>
      <territory>Xanga</territory>
      <territory>LJ</territory>
      <territory>Facebook</territory>
      <territory>Pizco</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Practicals (Blue)</name>
   <bonus>3</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Classmates dot com</territory>
      <territory>Reunion dot com</territory>
      <territory>Windows Live</territory>
      <territory>AOL</territory>
      <territory>Yahoo</territory>
      <territory>Friendster</territory>
      <territory>Faciparty</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Focus on Web (Purple)</name>
   <bonus>6</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>WoW and Runescape</territory>
      <territory>Second Life and Lineage</territory>
      <territory>Broadcaster</territory>
      <territory>Flickr</territory>
      <territory>Last.fm</territory>
      <territory>Digg</territory>
      <territory>Spaaarta</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Intellectuals (Green)</name>
   <bonus>5</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>The Blogipelago 1</territory>
      <territory>The Blogipelago 2</territory>
      <territory>The Blogipelago 3</territory>
      <territory>The Blogipelago 4</territory>
      <territory>Irc Isles 1</territory>
      <territory>Irc Isles 2</territory>
      <territory>Irc Isles 3</territory>
      <territory>Wikipedia</territory>
      <territory>Deviant Art</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<territory>
   <name>AOL</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Yahoo</border>
      <border>Windows Live</border>
      <border>Noob Sea</border>
   </borders>
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         <largey>69</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
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   <name>Broadcaster</name>
   <borders>
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      <border>Flickr</border>
      <border>Gulf of Youtube</border>
      <border>Sea of Culture</border>
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</territory>
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      <border>Sea of Culture</border>
      <border>Sea of Memes</border>
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      <border>Gulf of Youtube</border>
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</territory>
</map>
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Re: XKCD [DRAFTED] redone

Postby oaktown on Sun Nov 16, 2008 1:46 pm

RjBeals wrote:i think those army circles ruin it for you. They do not fit at all with the feel of this map. And do you really even need them in the first place?

Agreed, these army circles may actually make things worse, not better. The logic behind having army circles is 1) its nice to have a solid background against which to read the numbers, and 2) since the numbers have a black outline they are easier to read against a light background. You've created a dark background for dark numbers, which may not increase visibility.

little things... this might be more than you want to work on while still in Drafts, but you'd asked me for a look-in so this is what you get!
• Sea routes are very light and hard to follow.
• The bonus mini-map gets lost in the center among all of the routes and territories... I didn't see it at first.
• Are the region borders indicative of anything? Because as they are - big, hard to hold, with little pay-off - I might just ignore them in a game on this map and just go with brute force. There's no obvious place to start on this map - just build up and whack people when you can.
• Wikipedia project is confusing - since the web of lines is so dark (more prominent than the attack routes) it seems like they should be important to the map, when really they aren't.
• I want to be able to read the small print, but I can't! :(
• I assume that the only territories are where you've put army circles? I look at the island on the right (WoW), for example, and I see seven or eight bordered-off lands, but only one circle. Is that called WoW? And does it attack others through Rhunescape? Does it border Second Life? There's a basic problem of territory clarity; where are the lines, what is each territory called. The more I look at this the more I think this isn't just a little thing... especially in the little map, I don't know what to call many territories. I think this is the biggest gameplay issue right now.

And a big picture comment which you don't have to deal with now, but it's something to keep in mind as you move forward... as this is based on a comic, and therefor intended to look low-tech, you have got a serious challenge ahead of you. You clearly want to preserve the hand-drawn look of the original map, which I applaud. The text must have been a great deal of work, andmuch of it looks fantastic - "THE WIKIPEDIA PROJECT" for example is very clean and easy to read, yet the letter variety indicates it's not just a handwriting font. The challenge will be that in order to really succeed in preserving the look of a hand-drawn comic, every element on the map will have to rise to the challenge. Right now there are a few elements that are clearly not hand-drawn - the legend text, the army circles, the mini-map, the boats. By introducing those elements you create an unintended effect: low-tech elements look sloppy, as if they are mistakes. When you're going for a very stylized look on a map, it's all or nothing.
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Re: XKCD [DRAFTED] redone

Postby a.sub on Sun Nov 16, 2008 4:34 pm

oaktown wrote:
RjBeals wrote:i think those army circles ruin it for you. They do not fit at all with the feel of this map. And do you really even need them in the first place?

Agreed, these army circles may actually make things worse, not better. The logic behind having army circles is 1) its nice to have a solid background against which to read the numbers, and 2) since the numbers have a black outline they are easier to read against a light background. You've created a dark background for dark numbers, which may not increase visibility.

little things... this might be more than you want to work on while still in Drafts, but you'd asked me for a look-in so this is what you get!
• Sea routes are very light and hard to follow.
• The bonus mini-map gets lost in the center among all of the routes and territories... I didn't see it at first.
• Are the region borders indicative of anything? Because as they are - big, hard to hold, with little pay-off - I might just ignore them in a game on this map and just go with brute force. There's no obvious place to start on this map - just build up and whack people when you can.
• Wikipedia project is confusing - since the web of lines is so dark (more prominent than the attack routes) it seems like they should be important to the map, when really they aren't.
• I want to be able to read the small print, but I can't! :(
• I assume that the only territories are where you've put army circles? I look at the island on the right (WoW), for example, and I see seven or eight bordered-off lands, but only one circle. Is that called WoW? And does it attack others through Rhunescape? Does it border Second Life? There's a basic problem of territory clarity; where are the lines, what is each territory called. The more I look at this the more I think this isn't just a little thing... especially in the little map, I don't know what to call many territories. I think this is the biggest gameplay issue right now.

And a big picture comment which you don't have to deal with now, but it's something to keep in mind as you move forward... as this is based on a comic, and therefor intended to look low-tech, you have got a serious challenge ahead of you. You clearly want to preserve the hand-drawn look of the original map, which I applaud. The text must have been a great deal of work, andmuch of it looks fantastic - "THE WIKIPEDIA PROJECT" for example is very clean and easy to read, yet the letter variety indicates it's not just a handwriting font. The challenge will be that in order to really succeed in preserving the look of a hand-drawn comic, every element on the map will have to rise to the challenge. Right now there are a few elements that are clearly not hand-drawn - the legend text, the army circles, the mini-map, the boats. By introducing those elements you create an unintended effect: low-tech elements look sloppy, as if they are mistakes. When you're going for a very stylized look on a map, it's all or nothing.



alright as for the army circles they exist because some countries have mountains that would make it harder to see.

i will darken the sea routes thank you for that!

i think u r kinda right about the bonus map part. ill put up a poll asking people what they think about them.

as for the wikipedia project i think i have a solution for them, u can attack through them so i will make them green like the bonus so ppl know they are viable routes. and put a note saying that touching bonus outlines means u can attack across them.

sadly there is nothing i can do about the small print. one thougth is i could just erase it so it doesnt distract ppl in the first place.

k for the WoW problem i think its clarified if i say that touching bonus colors counts as you can attack across them so WoW can attack second life, and WoW/Runescape is one country while Second life/Lineage is another idk how i would clarify that except maybe erase the line between WoW and runescape and the line between Second life and Lineage. i think abother way to clarify it across the board is to erase all names that are not the names of countries.

and for ur last part i see what u mean. i think i will leave the boats as is because i want them to remain constant, but the text i will write by hand them scan into it and the mini map assuming we dont scrap the bonus section as a whole.



Thank you for your help i will get on it ASAP :D
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Re: XKCD --XML drafted--

Postby a.sub on Wed Nov 26, 2008 7:42 pm

ok i wanted to soo what you guys think if i remove bonuses, i didnt do a full redo to remove all the bonus line so u will still see a few. because this is just a test its not on the first page. i also removed small print that was distracting.

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Re: XKCD

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Re: XKCD [ive bumped this twice now, please help?]

Postby mpjh on Fri Dec 12, 2008 9:28 pm

I think majinga is lying on the edge of the map and that is why you cannot move forward.
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Re: XKCD [ive bumped this thrice now, please help?]

Postby a.sub on Mon Dec 15, 2008 7:34 pm

does any one hav any comments to help this move forward?
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Re: XKCD [ive bumped this thrice now, please help?]

Postby john9blue on Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:23 pm

You ought to keep a consistent style throughout the whole map. The original comic was a simple pencil drawing, but doing it that way probably wouldn't get you to the Final Forge, unless it's very convincing (see: Doodle Earth). You may want to consider learning an advanced graphics program and starting from scratch, or asking someone else to do it.

If you really want to keep the cartoon style, you should put dotted lines instead of bold red ones, and have pencil-drawn boats. Make the colors much more subdued (there was very little color in the comic). Something like Age Of Merchants, Berlin 1961, or Middle East. :)
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Re: XKCD [ive bumped this thrice now, please help?]

Postby wcaclimbing on Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:27 pm

yep. You'll definitely need to provide much higher quality graphics, which probably means re-drawing or doing lots of edits on the original image, to make it more usable and mapmaker-friendly.

Right now the map seems too split up to function well as a CC map. There's just too much going on, I think.
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Re: XKCD [ive bumped this thrice now, please help?]

Postby a.sub on Mon Dec 15, 2008 10:35 pm

so clean up image from clutter adn redraw some parts to make it "map maker friendly"
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make it look more cartoony similar to how the original map was, more hand drawn
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Re: XKCD [ive bumped this thrice now, please help?]

Postby wcaclimbing on Mon Dec 15, 2008 10:49 pm

a.sub wrote:so clean up image from clutter adn redraw some parts to make it "map maker friendly"
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make it look more cartoony similar to how the original map was, more hand drawn

yes. that sounds good.

I think you could probably reorganize things quite a bit. The islands are a pretty big mess, just because they weren't drawn to work for a CC map. They would look much better and be easier to use if you made a few small changes. combining smaller islands, moving a few others, etc, just to make the islands on the map more organized and logical.
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Re: XKCD [ive bumped this thrice now, please help?]

Postby a.sub on Mon Dec 15, 2008 11:18 pm

wcaclimbing wrote:
a.sub wrote:so clean up image from clutter adn redraw some parts to make it "map maker friendly"
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make it look more cartoony similar to how the original map was, more hand drawn

yes. that sounds good.

I think you could probably reorganize things quite a bit. The islands are a pretty big mess, just because they weren't drawn to work for a CC map. They would look much better and be easier to use if you made a few small changes. combining smaller islands, moving a few others, etc, just to make the islands on the map more organized and logical.


i took the time and decided to remove all excess islands that werent a country that could be taken over, do u think that would clean it up enough?
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Re: XKCD [ive bumped this thrice now, please help?]

Postby a.sub on Mon Dec 15, 2008 11:48 pm

UPDATE:
So what i have done is i made the routes and the ships (army circles for the seas) more cartoony and i removed a BUNCH of islands including a lot of the wikipedia islands. i also removed the last remaining stain of bonus borders from the map.

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Re: XKCD [poll on whether it should be continued]

Postby a.sub on Sat Jan 03, 2009 6:54 pm

EDIT: the poll feature is being a bitch so just post ur thoughts here
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Re: XKCD [should it be continued?]

Postby john9blue on Sat Jan 03, 2009 10:28 pm

You didn't post your latest version in full size or in your first post. It looks good from here, though.

If the boats are territories, you should draw them in the same pencil style that the islands are in. Also, try to think of a way to distinguish continents (watermark background textures or something). :)
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Re: XKCD [should it be continued?]

Postby a.sub on Mon Jan 05, 2009 1:40 am

john9blue wrote:You didn't post your latest version in full size or in your first post. It looks good from here, though.

If the boats are territories, you should draw them in the same pencil style that the islands are in. Also, try to think of a way to distinguish continents (watermark background textures or something). :)



i shall post a full size version, thx for the advice

i dont want to redraw the ships by hand because they arent islands

there are no more continents, they have been removed because they lack any real aide and they ruin the look of the map.
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Re: XKCD [should it be continued?]

Postby bryguy on Mon Jan 05, 2009 2:05 pm

1) Territories seem a bit confuising. Why is MySpace split in 2? that makes it MyS and Pace
2) Do you have/need permission to use the names of some of these? Like YouTube, Wikipedia, MySpace?



Sorry I cant comment much, but there isnt much to comment on. It seems like a completely random map. Why not work on a project that attracts more interest? You seem like a promising map maker, but I just dont see much in this
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Re: XKCD [should it be continued?]

Postby a.sub on Mon Jan 05, 2009 6:37 pm

bryguy wrote:1) Territories seem a bit confuising. Why is MySpace split in 2? that makes it MyS and Pace
2) Do you have/need permission to use the names of some of these? Like YouTube, Wikipedia, MySpace?



Sorry I cant comment much, but there isnt much to comment on. It seems like a completely random map. Why not work on a project that attracts more interest? You seem like a promising map maker, but I just dont see much in this


i split myspace into two because i thought it was too big to be one country should i combine them?

i dont need special permission, but thx for ur concern as there hav been a lot of copyright issues before

the map is based on a comic made by Randall on his website XKCD.com
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Re: XKCD [should it be continued?]

Postby sailorseal on Thu Jan 15, 2009 8:21 pm

I think this map should be continued but I think all the bonuses are to big and to hard to try and take. I would chop a few up into smaller bonuses but leave a big one or two.
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Re: XKCD [should it be continued?]

Postby a.sub on Thu Jan 15, 2009 8:23 pm

sailorseal wrote:I think this map should be continued but I think all the bonuses are to big and to hard to try and take. I would chop a few up into smaller bonuses but leave a big one or two.


first off thx for commenting, this map seems to have been dieing, but the most updated map has no bonuses, because they were hard to get, lacked any real gameplay advantage, and ruined the look of the map.
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Re: XKCD [should it be continued?]

Postby sailorseal on Thu Jan 15, 2009 8:27 pm

That is why I am saying you should split each exciting color area in half and make each half a bonus
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Re: XKCD [should it be continued?]

Postby a.sub on Thu Jan 15, 2009 8:37 pm

well just to give people of where the map stands as of now, here is the map
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Re: XKCD [should it be continued?]

Postby a.sub on Thu Jan 15, 2009 8:39 pm

and here is the XML with the bonuses removed
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Re: XKCD [should it be continued?]

Postby sailorseal on Fri Jan 16, 2009 5:45 pm

Just cut it up into bonuses or make some sort of auto deploys or starting neutrals or something
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