office wars.

[WILLIAMS5232]

as far as the colors go, i'll see what i can do. but i'm colorblind, and making similiar shades is a problem for me. as it is now, i have to use the color picker tool way too much. not that i can't tell them apart, it's like yellow looks similiar to green. pink looks bluish, red looks brownish, light blues and greens look grayish, it's hard to explain.

maybe the background is a clipboard? Maybe the office floors background should be a crumpled up paper background?

i like these ideas, i also considered to make the title like a letterhead, then have the rules on a post it note. or a memo slip. i think someone has suggested that already.

I think you need to make your rules A LOT smaller.

i agree to make the bonus block smaller, and also i'll probably remove the roof. it's just not enough room.

3rd and 4th floors are basically identical. I don't know if thats how you want it, but I personally don't like it. They need more variety.

i did intend it this way, alot of buildings have the same floorplan going up. i can change it, but the stairs and elevators need to be in the same place. i figured rearranging the first floor a tad, and creating a basement would add enough variety. i'll wait for more imput on this item of interest.

outlining the bonuses in a more faint color. That way it gives it a more office-y look.

i'll make a sample like this, and see how it goes. but i think this will give me problems.

The one thing you need to do on your draft now is to add the army circle. It will help you a lot in figuring out how your sections are working out size wise.

i agree, how is this done though? do i just make smudges or something. or is there a certain thing i need to do?

Make the map out of cardboard

i don't know what this means...do you mean make it like a cardboard background? or is this just sarcasm?

[natty dread]

Yeah, cardboard background would work. It would fit the office theme.

Also, being colourblind is not a problem... maps need to be readable for colourblind people anyway - so in a way it's an advantage, at least you'll know for sure if your map works for the colourblind

[Hank44Soccer]

maybe we could add some cubicles both as a background and on the map

[Hank44Soccer]

WILLIAMS5232 If this makes it all the way to beta can I have first dibs on a tournament?

[WILLIAMS5232]

maybe we could add some cubicles both as a background and on the map

i'm working with limited space, but i'll see what i can do....

WILLIAMS5232 If this makes it all the way to beta can I have first dibs on a tournament?

did not know dibs needed to be called to make a tournament.

[Hank44Soccer]

maybe we could add some cubicles both as a background and on the map

i'm working with limited space, but i'll see what i can do....

WILLIAMS5232 If this makes it all the way to beta can I have first dibs on a tournament?

did not know dibs needed to be called to make a tournament.

mmmm maybe mine can get the official williams seal of aproval and when will this get moved to the actual drafting room

[Riskismy]

mmmm maybe mine can get the official williams seal of aproval and when will this get moved to the actual drafting room

Roughly at the time it's ready for graphics

[Hank44Soccer]

mmmm maybe mine can get the official williams seal of aproval and when will this get moved to the actual drafting room

Roughly at the time it's ready for graphics

yes when is this going to go to the actual graphics workshop?

[natty dread]

Yeah, this belongs to drafting room. Throw a pm at Mrbenn or thenobodies80.

[Hank44Soccer]

Yeah, this belongs to drafting room. Throw a pm at Mrbenn or thenobodies80.

I see the potential!!!

[WILLIAMS5232]

new draft added,

it's on the first post,

[Riskismy]

Looking better and better!

Gonna have a hard time naming the toilets. I guess you might just be able to squeeze in a 'WC'.

I forget, have you mentioned starting territories? Aside from the number, I can't see it on first post. Not sure how it adds up, but lobby and most of the autodeploys, if not all, should probably start neutral.

[WILLIAMS5232]

'WC'.

?????

i added some information that may have been missing to my first post,

i think it's best to have the lobbies all a random territory, one thing i think about this map is there are plenty of bonuses to go around.

[DarthFrog]

That's actually looking really nice Williams. I think some of the bonuses need some tweaking, but for the graphics themselves, and the layout, it's starting to look pretty good. Colours are MUCH better than the earlier versions, good job.

[Riskismy]

WC at dictionary.com

[MrBenn]

I personally think there are better ideas to spend your time working on, but for now this thread at least belongs in the drafting room.

[Moved]

[natty dread]

I personally think there are better ideas to spend your time working on, but for now this thread at least belongs in the drafting room.

[Moved]

Wait a minute, aren't you foundry mods supposed to only move the maps that you like? Aren't you supposed to be corrupt and show favoritism...?

[WILLIAMS5232]

I personally think there are better ideas to spend your time working on, but for now this thread at least belongs in the drafting room.

is this just a nice way of being rude?

thanks anyway, whatever the intention....

i don't know if i should keep working on it, or just go cry myself to sleep.

[Riskismy]

I personally think there are better ideas to spend your time working on, but for now this thread at least belongs in the drafting room.

[Moved]

Wait a minute, aren't you foundry mods supposed to only move the maps that you like? Aren't you supposed to be corrupt and show favoritism...?

Yes, they are.
I was also under the impression that they are suppose to be encouraging. No point in such remarks at all. Just move the thing and keep at it that if you have nothing better to say.

[natty dread]

I personally think there are better ideas to spend your time working on, but for now this thread at least belongs in the drafting room.

is this just a nice way of being rude?

thanks anyway, whatever the intention....

i don't know if i should keep working on it, or just go cry myself to sleep.

You are going to need to grow a thicker skin if you're to become a succesful mapmaker... in the foundry, anyone is free to express their opinion on a map, be it positive or negative. Including the foundry mods. There's nothing rude about stating your personal opinion, and he made it very clear that he was giving it as such - in fact, didn't MrBenn even explicitly state that what he said is what he thinks personally?

The ones who get all offended when someone doesn't like their map - and says it - are the ones who don't last long in the foundry. A foundry mod is allowed to have and express personal opinions about maps like everyone else, as long as he doesn't let those personal opinions affect his professional judgement on the maps. Can't you see this is exactly what is taking place here: MrBenn stated, very cordially, that he personally has no interest in your map, but professionally, as a foundry mod, he deems your map ready to be moved to the drafting room. It is a magnificent show of impartiality and professionalism from him, and you should not be offended by it and complain, you should applaud him for it.

One of the hardest things every mapmaker must learn (and with which every mapmaker struggles even after learning) is to take some distance to his own work. Do not get offended every time someone doesn't like your work. Don't take criticism towards your work personally, because it's just what it is - criticism towards your work, not criticism towards yourself.

The rampant victim-attitude that can be seen in other parts of CC forums, most notably the dice-complaint threads, has no place in the foundry. I'm just saying...

[Riskismy]

I think it's a matter of "if you don't have anything good to say, don't say anything". I suppose, in this case, it should be modified to "If you don't have anything positive to say, or at least constructively negative, don't say anything".

Mrbenn has made strange remarks to me as well, and I would just ignore them if it was from most anybody else, but coming from the head smurf it takes on another kind of weight, and he should take that into account when making comments, that's all.

[WILLIAMS5232]

actually natty, what i got out of his statement was- "my time would be better spent doing something else, and although this draft does meet the criteria to make it out of the melting pot. it most likely does not have what it takes to go any farther than the drafting room"

I personally think there are better ideas to spend your time working on, but for now this thread at least belongs in the drafting room.

see, that's very different than saying what you imply, "hey really your maps not for me, but go for it. good job!"

I'm not at all offended. and i have pretty thick skin. but my main point is i don't want to work weeks/months on a map that someone ( a foundry mod to be exact ) may have an insight on how far i will get on it. let's be honest. for a new mapmaker such as myself, that does not fully understand the ins and outs of this place, how was i supposed to take that? it's not very explanatory, and although it is criticism, it is not very helpful criticism. I'm sure Mr Benn has quite a bit of influence on what maps make it and which ones don't. so was i just supposed to shrug off his comment and say "screw him, what does he know! I'm making this map with or without him!" no, i asked his advice, maybe a bit sarcastic, but it was with good intentions. riskismy is on point, you're not. i'm not mad at anyone, not even you. but sometimes you don't make much sense. at least to me you don't. maybe i'm just crazy.

to clear things up, i will ask in a more professional manner;

mrbenn, when you say my time would be better spent on another map, does that mean you do not like my map personally, but you see no problem in it eventually making it to beta with plenty of hard work and dedication?

or do you mean to say that i need to go back to the drawing board and come up with a new, better idea?

thanks.

[natty dread]

actually natty, what i got out of his statement was-

That's the thing, you shouldn't put things into statements that aren't there.

sometimes you don't make much sense. at least to me you don't. maybe i'm just crazy.

Maybe you're just stubborn? The thing is, the whole "if you don't have good things to say, don't say anything" does not work in the foundry. The foundry is all about open criticism, and anyone is free to criticize, even if the criticism is not constructive in your mind. There's nothing wrong with saying "I don't like this idea" in a map thread.

Your map does have a chance to make it through. But you have to work for it to make it work. I'm sure you already know that. The point is, if one of the foundry mods personally dislikes your map idea, it's not going to keep your map from being quenched, if you otherwise have support for the map to be made.

[Riskismy]

That's the thing, you shouldn't put things into statements that aren't there.

Interpretation is part of all communication. It can't be helped, and the point is that it was there to william.

The foundry is all about open criticism, and anyone is free to criticize, even if the criticism is not constructive in your mind. There's nothing wrong with saying "I don't like this idea" in a map thread.

You'd be correct if you meant 'not forbidden', but there's plenty wrong with just posting 'I don't like this idea'.
Perhaps the advocate should read the defendant's own words again:

The best feedback comes from people who have put a little bit of thought into their post(s), and
a. Adds something to the development of a map.
b. Identifies specific elements/issues which do or don't work in their eyes.
c. Offers some kind of alternative or solution to any problems/issues.

MrBenn failed on all counts.

The point is, if one of the foundry mods personally dislikes your map idea, it's not going to keep your map from being quenched, if you otherwise have support for the map to be made.

No, that's your point.
Our point, or at least mine, is that MrBenn's comment was unconstructive and served only to discourage the mapmaker from continuing his work. MrBenn should hold himself to higher standards, or at least just stick to his own guide.

[isaiah40]

Okay everyone, let's simmer down a notch please. For the record MrBenn said:

I personally think there are better ideas to spend your time working on, but for now this thread at least belongs in the drafting room. [Moved]

Notice he said "personally". He didn't say to find something else to work, or 'we don't accept maps like this', he said "personally" and moved it. Please don't read anything into his statement. If the community supports this map then it will get moved and continue on. If MrBenn put his personal opinion into the map, he might not have moved it. Instead he moved it because there is some community support, and it meets the criteria to be moved into the Drafting Room.

So that being said, WILLIAMS5232 don't feel that MrBenn said that this map won't make it, just that it was his personal opinion. As natty said, he moved it anyways because it meets the criteria for the Drafting Room. So please continue on!!