Prince Of The City

[the.killing.44]

My reply to England's comments, and now here:

Mr Benn, sailorseal is making a threat on your behalf when I posted authentic feedback. Can I assume you will make clear to your friends that you do not endorse threats made on your behalf. That seems to be the second time this has happened to me.

What? sailor was referring to a previous vacation he had due to his posts.

Along with the above and the early relegation of Prince In The City, there does seem to be a pattern of threat by stampholders with regard to their official powers. But that does deserve its own thread- where am I permitted to report cartographer behaviour?

Threat? Where are you feeling threatened by me? Or Benn for that matter, outside of your head that is.

First, this whole "who moved it" thing is ridiculous. You're accusing Benn of prematurely moving your map to the Bin, when you clearly stated you are discontinuing (which, if you don't know, means to stop making), both in a post and in your CURRENT title. The first thing about this I'd do if I were you — god help me — would be to change the title so by even POSTING in here you're not contradicting yourself.

Now, this accusation of yours that you are being bullied up on and victim to bias, I advise you to take a true look at your comments in here, and find who is the really biased one. You claim you are responding appropriately to critical feedback. You have recieved large comments from oaktown and thenobodies80 just for starters that you have obviously not read through and, in YOUR bias, have only looked at the negative sides of the posts, thinking it is a personal attack upon yourself. It is not, and you should listen to what the posters are saying, especially nobodies80. I think if you listened to that post you could have yourself way out of a jam and with +3 posters with me who are just tired as hell of your charade and stubbornness.

I really wish you got your head out of your arse and read this, as well as the guidelines in a clear manner (along with the explanations by multiple members. And re-read thenobodies80's comments.

[sailorseal]

Look this could be settled in a very simple fashion with our Foreman's cooperation,

Andy if you go to
ACP-> Security -> Then Moderation Actions Log,
we can clearly find the date of the move and match it to the date of the request and this will be solved

[the.killing.44]

Look this could be settled in a very simple fashion with our Foreman's cooperation,

Andy if you go to
ACP-> Security -> Then Moderation Actions Log,
we can clearly find the date of the move and match it to the date of the request and this will be solved

I'm sorry, you don't get it. We all know that MrBenn moved this, which was the right move, it's an issue (well, to Wong) WHY this happened, the answer to which is that it was in accordance with the guidelines.

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[Merciless Wong]

Way, I see it I was negotiating with the new Draft Stamp holder for the map when Mr Benn decided he didn't like the way things were going then moved the map. As I said, if he moved the map at the time I originally discontinued in protest, he's following guidelines.

If he moved it later, he've shoving criticism of stamp holders out of the way.

On top of that, another stamp holder and declaring "we all know" is a clever way of telling anyone who disagrees with you not to comment or to make enemies. I have two pm's from people expressing support but saying they don't want to make enemies or have no official position in the forums.
I think that is a clear sign that the forum is now rife with bullying.

If the guidelines are followed why restrict the request to the administrator by sailorsea? He's obviously closer to you guys than he is to me - so why end his innocent line of questioning?

[sailorseal]

If the guidelines are followed why restrict the request to the administrator by sailorsea? He's obviously closer to you guys than he is to me - so why end his innocent line of questioning?

Can you rephrase?

[thenobodies80]

Way, I see it I was negotiating with the new Draft Stamp holder for the map when Mr Benn decided he didn't like the way things were going then moved the map. As I said, if he moved the map at the time I originally discontinued in protest, he's following guidelines.

Hi merciless wong.
Can you stop a minute to read very well my word?
Calm down,please
Ok, i wasn't negotiating with you, simply i said you that i'm happy to follow your map to solve your problem with Mr.Benn.
Then i have to follow the rules as everybody. So actually when a map is moved to the bin, an update is required to be replaced in the previous room.
So, you are here to do a map.
So this is my first suggestion :
If you want to discuss about foundry process you are free to do this in the Not Maps forum, but here you have to develope a map.
Trust me! Work on the map.
If you post an update (required) your map will be moved back in the DRAFTING ROOM.
Then, if you want, we can work side by side (as possible with my time ) to reach the foundry.
I can't understand if you want to make an update or not
Waiting your response...

TNBDS

[Merciless Wong]

If the guidelines are followed why restrict the request to the administrator by sailorsea? He's obviously closer to you guys than he is to me - so why end his innocent line of questioning?

Can you rephrase?

Why shouldn't Andy check the logs if all is above board?

[In answer to killing's next post:
If he did it after recusing himself - it pretty much means he abused his moderator power. Once you have recused yourself, you should behave on the map like a normal commentator.

You can't dig back in the thread and use an old item as an excuse to rationalize your personal view - that is just open abuse of power e.g. if someone flames someone 10 posts ago, you can't use it as an excuse to randomly edit out comments that you don't like from that person in another thread.

The issue of bias was discussed between Mr Benn and Andy back when I listed his negatvity on the map, Mr Benn said he could do the job without bias and Andy told me to keep going.

If he can't recuse himself properly - he should be restricted from using moderator editing on this map - he should do so only at nobody's request .

Either way, why do you care? Its between Andy, Benn, Nobody and me ]

[the.killing.44]

If the guidelines are followed why restrict the request to the administrator by sailorsea? He's obviously closer to you guys than he is to me - so why end his innocent line of questioning?

Can you rephrase?

Why shouldn't Andy check the logs if all is above board?

Why? We know Benn did it sometime after you said you were discontinuing (which your title still states).

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[Merciless Wong]

Nobodies,

Can I clarify what your definition of forum support is? If I get the map to a point that a (reasonable body of posts that I can quote) tells me to do something am I allowed to challenge the request of the draft stamp holder?
If I start editing - I may at times ask you to clarify whether feedback is 'your sense of the forum' or your 'personal view' and I will challenge the 'sense of the forum' by giving you quotes of support.
I see no other to fairly separate personal views form your role as a draft-stamp holder.

There is no way I am going back to a non-line non-abstract map, if that is the goal, I'd rather hand over rights and hope someone gets the gameplay idea I am trying to sell.

I can't see myself drawing a renaissance city in non-professional software - I am primarily a player and a amateur game theorist.

No need to waste your time checking - I will pm you if I edit. I may also hand this over to a friend to deal with from here.

[ustus]

Merciless Wong -

First, you're in the bin because you requested to be here. A lot of people are telling you this, but i think you'll listen to me because i'm supporting the making of your map (i didn't even realize it's in here until just now, had lost track of it...). I'm posting to try to convince you to start working on it again. I'm posting here to try to convince you to post an update and change the title if you want to work on this map.

Second, even as a supporter of the map, your attitude toward the mods is decidedly off putting. You accuse them of having a personal beef against you whenever they suggest any change in your map, or don't hold the same opinion as you. I encourage you to remember something here: the purpose of the map foundry is to produce the best possible maps for play by CC users. It is not to shuttle out the map that one person wants to make. Just because you think your map is perfect does not mean that no one else could possibly have a good idea. Secondly, just because you understand the purpose of your map doesn't mean it's obvious to everyone else who looks at it. I, for instance, learned a lot about Machiavelli from your post on him, but don't see any of that in the map. I'd like to see the graphics keep coming along as they were when you were listening. You are, however, starting to convince me that rather than wanting to make this map, you want to argue about it. Take a deep breath and read the coming posts for advice on your map rather than reading them for threats and insults.

Thirdly, i said i like the simple gameplay of your map. I note that you quoted this when arguing with Mr. B about whether or not your theme was clear enough in the map (assuming i'm understanding the argument right, i'm not even sure either of you was sure what the actual argument was, as your posts tended to not fully contradict each other). I don't like being taken out of context. It is true that i've offered my support to this map, and it is true that i offered support for a simple game play style. I despise overcomplication. This does not, however, mean that the map cannot be improved. While it is to the point of belonging in the draft forum (in my oppinion, which is not necessarily the opinion of everyone else), it is not perfect yet. There's still plenty you can do graphically, and a lot of people who have a lot of experience making maps who are offering advice, if you'll only accept that advice.

Now, i don't browse the recycling bin very often, i just happen to be procrastinating a paper. So you're lucky i'm posting here at all with where you've hidden your map. If you really want to make this map, i suggest you get back at it, and try to listen to advice - if you don't want to do what somebody says, just tell them why you don't want to, don't accuse them of hating you. That's been your biggest setback so far. We're not out to get you, we just want this map to be the best it can be, and i hope that's your goal too.

Good luck,

_ - Ustus - _

[captainwalrus]

Lol, I had forgotten about this. This was a heluva map, if everyone hadden't been so hostile it could have worked. No reason to bump it though.