Battle of the Bulge - CLOSED

[thechuck51]

I went through and tried to do a quick tally of everything since the last vote count so here is an UNOFFICIAL vote count:

UNOFFICIAL Simplified Vote Count - compiled by chuck

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch

Jgordon (3) – Rodion, Spartacus, chap
PMC (1) – Spartacus
Gimili (1) – Safariguy
Chapcrap (1) – jgordon
Safari (6)- /, jak, pmc, clever, everywhere, doom

Solid Deadline is 5/7/12 at around 9pm EST

[jgordon1111]

no split vote its one or the other Unvote

[jak111]

Alright, I hope everyone is ready to haul ass today. We're short on time and any more goofing off is not acceptable. Either we pursue Saf for a claim or a lynch, or we go after JG for the day. (Which I'm still not 100% okay with).

[thechuck51]

Alright, I hope everyone is ready to haul ass today. We're short on time and any more goofing off is not acceptable. Either we pursue Saf for a claim or a lynch, or we go after JG for the day. (Which I'm still not 100% okay with).

we need some clarification from ghost regarding the deadline. is it still 5/7 at 9m EST or has it been bumped back?

I may extend the deadline 24 hours before the set time if requested since I havent been around the last 46 to give a VC for you guys. Sorry, I know its an inconvenience.

[jgordon1111]

Alright, I hope everyone is ready to haul ass today. We're short on time and any more goofing off is not acceptable. Either we pursue Saf for a claim or a lynch, or we go after JG for the day. (Which I'm still not 100% okay with).

we need some clarification from ghost regarding the deadline. is it still 5/7 at 9m EST or has it been bumped back?

I may extend the deadline 24 hours before the set time if requested since I havent been around the last 46 to give a VC for you guys. Sorry, I know its an inconvenience.

Until he comes in and officially says new deadline and what it is,lets play it like its still 5/7. Time to quit stalling and do something for all of us.

[ghostly447]

Official Simplified Vote Count

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch

Jgordon – Rodion, chapcrap
Gimili – Safariguy
Chapcrap – doomyoshi
Safri – /, Jak, PMC, Clever, Everywhere, DoomYoshi (L-4)

Solid Deadline is 5/7/12 at around 9pm EST

Spartacus’ vote was removed because he was replaced by djfireside.

Sorry once again for the delayed VC. I was busy the past 2 days and couldnt get time to do one. I hope I got all the votes tallied correctly because I was in a rush to do so. No time extension as of current. Deadline reached in ~ 31 hours and 12 minutes from now.

[safariguy5]

Well, no point wasting time then. I'm General John G. Dill, VT.

[jgordon1111]

Well, no point wasting time then. I'm General John G. Dill, VT.

If we go flavor on this saf you are screwed, he was nowhere near being involved in the battle of the bulge and Winston Churchill despised him so he sent him to washington D.C. to get him out of the way during WWII.

Bad fakeclaim?

[new guy1]

I debated this in my head guys, and I think I need to explain some of the role claims, etc.

There are only so many roles that can actually be fitted. Some roles will not be perfectly fitted with a historic background. The reason this is is because it is tough to find certain things like a bus driver role (I dont think there was something like this in WWII, you know).

By Mainly American commanders, it also leaves room for troops and recognized heroes of the war. Please go off of this as a personal guide.

1. Roles may not match up with a perfect Real Life person who fought.
2. Mainly american commanders, but there may be people from, any of the allies, or axis.
3. Try not to play the mod. I dont mind answering things like this because I know down the road it may turn into a bloodbath that is UN-rightfully conducted (ex: Your name claim didnt do that, lynch him!).

Hope that clears it up some.

Did you skim this post JG? I dont know if its true, but I dont think we should give him up just yet.

[jgordon1111]

I debated this in my head guys, and I think I need to explain some of the role claims, etc.

There are only so many roles that can actually be fitted. Some roles will not be perfectly fitted with a historic background. The reason this is is because it is tough to find certain things like a bus driver role (I dont think there was something like this in WWII, you know).

By Mainly American commanders, it also leaves room for troops and recognized heroes of the war. Please go off of this as a personal guide.

1. Roles may not match up with a perfect Real Life person who fought.
2. Mainly american commanders, but there may be people from, any of the allies, or axis.
3. Try not to play the mod. I dont mind answering things like this because I know down the road it may turn into a bloodbath that is UN-rightfully conducted (ex: Your name claim didnt do that, lynch him!).

Hope that clears it up some.

Did you skim this post JG? I dont know if its true, but I dont think we should give him up just yet.

No I read it,please note the part about recognized heroes of the war,of which he was not. The only person that liked him was roosevelt, i.e., not even his own countryman.

[chapcrap]

@jg

1. I saw the soft claim of doc. I said as much 40 pages ago. I just think you claimed for no reason at all. And jak is the one who kept pointing to his own soft claim anyway.
2. Yes, mafia will try to make a deal with anyone if they can win.
3. As far as me conceding you contributing more, I didn't. I just don't feel like arguing stupid things.
4. If you don't think the mafia are ~30%, what percentage of mafia do you think are in the game. Most have already said 4 or 5. That is 22.2-27.8%. I rounded up. Not sure why you think there would be more.
5. Yes, I do disagree with a no lynch. That doesn't make me a liar. Lynching third party is the best option with the percentages that I laid out in number 5. I thought you wanted to be lynched anyway. Remember when you voted yourself?
6. Well, you ignored the fact that I said you were derailing the saf case for me. Well done, maybe if you ignore actual facts, they'll go away.
7. Just for the record: You, jgordon1111, would like to pin me, chapcrap, hard? You want to pin me hard?
8. I'm not sure what this number is for. What point were you trying to make?
9. Well, if you're 96% sure, then why don't I just get lynched then? I mean, as soon as I make a few more posts, you'll be to 100% at this rate!!

Also, I never claimed to be tired because of my newborn. I claimed to not have enough time to make unnecessary and posts and double post for no reason.

OMG taking a good portion of what I said and twisting it is all you can come with as a defense. i.e., number seven whats up with that,its a game chap and coming with that is pretty low especially beings you were on that ship that jumped me for the way I was playing.

So for the record I do wish I had the 100% evidence to pin you hard as scum.

Awful rebuttal. You didn't even respond to number 6 again until someone else said something.

Well, no point wasting time then. I'm General John G. Dill, VT.

If we go flavor on this saf you are screwed, he was nowhere near being involved in the battle of the bulge and Winston Churchill despised him so he sent him to washington D.C. to get him out of the way during WWII.

Bad fakeclaim?

I don't know abou the General, but a General being a VT seems lame. Shouldn't play the mod though.

[jgordon1111]

@jg

1. I saw the soft claim of doc. I said as much 40 pages ago. I just think you claimed for no reason at all. And jak is the one who kept pointing to his own soft claim anyway.
2. Yes, mafia will try to make a deal with anyone if they can win.
3. As far as me conceding you contributing more, I didn't. I just don't feel like arguing stupid things.
4. If you don't think the mafia are ~30%, what percentage of mafia do you think are in the game. Most have already said 4 or 5. That is 22.2-27.8%. I rounded up. Not sure why you think there would be more.
5. Yes, I do disagree with a no lynch. That doesn't make me a liar. Lynching third party is the best option with the percentages that I laid out in number 5. I thought you wanted to be lynched anyway. Remember when you voted yourself?
6. Well, you ignored the fact that I said you were derailing the saf case for me. Well done, maybe if you ignore actual facts, they'll go away.
7. Just for the record: You, jgordon1111, would like to pin me, chapcrap, hard? You want to pin me hard?
8. I'm not sure what this number is for. What point were you trying to make?
9. Well, if you're 96% sure, then why don't I just get lynched then? I mean, as soon as I make a few more posts, you'll be to 100% at this rate!!

Also, I never claimed to be tired because of my newborn. I claimed to not have enough time to make unnecessary and posts and double post for no reason.

OMG taking a good portion of what I said and twisting it is all you can come with as a defense. i.e., number seven whats up with that,its a game chap and coming with that is pretty low especially beings you were on that ship that jumped me for the way I was playing.

So for the record I do wish I had the 100% evidence to pin you hard as scum.

Awful rebuttal. You didn't even respond to number 6 again until someone else said something.

Well, no point wasting time then. I'm General John G. Dill, VT.

If we go flavor on this saf you are screwed, he was nowhere near being involved in the battle of the bulge and Winston Churchill despised him so he sent him to washington D.C. to get him out of the way during WWII.

Bad fakeclaim?

I don't know abou the General, but a General being a VT seems lame. Shouldn't play the mod though.

trying not to play the mod I read what he said about not all roles matching up.

But my point is that the mod also said recognized heroes of the bulge or WWII, John G. Dill. was considered a dinosaur and not in favor with Winston Churchill, So Churchill sent him to the U.S. to get him out of the way. So he doesnt fit the hero part in WWII

[safariguy5]

Well, no point wasting time then. I'm General John G. Dill, VT.

If we go flavor on this saf you are screwed, he was nowhere near being involved in the battle of the bulge and Winston Churchill despised him so he sent him to washington D.C. to get him out of the way during WWII.

Bad fakeclaim?

Well that's what I am. So I suppose you guys can pour fuel on the fire and hold flavor spec against me too.

Still, it might give us good information if I'm lynched. Go back and look for every person who advocated lynching jgordon because he was not town and therefore wouldn't hurt town numbers on Day 1. I'm sure you could come up with some leads on several people.

[new guy1]

Thing is him being sent away from the war would make sense. He had no action in the war therefore no action on the battle field. Kinda makes sense if you look at it from a different perspective.

[Leehar]

the claim doesn't seem too bad, specially if as jg said he was sent away, so a vanilla role for the character does make sense if he doesn't play much of a role?

fastposted by similar thoughts from ng

[new guy1]

the claim doesn't seem too bad, specially if as jg said he was sent away, so a vanilla role for the character does make sense if he doesn't play much of a role?

fastposted by similar thoughts from ng

Yep, also sorry for my innactivity. I couldnt pick a side between Saf/Chap/JG, so I did not have much to add there, but I must say IDK who I would lynch between JG and Saf. Both are quite active in discussion, but they are both basically VT's except for the fact only saf is on town's side, the other is 3rd party. I will have to turn this over in my head a couple times.

[jgordon1111]

lets put it the easy way you notice I did not put a vote on Saf, thats because I was running it threw my head about his role, and wanted other opinions.

you come down to it vt or 3rd party lol you know what is best.

[new guy1]

lets put it the easy way you notice I did not put a vote on Saf, thats because I was running it threw my head about his role, and wanted other opinions.

you come down to it vt or 3rd party lol you know what is best.

I know whats best, but everyone thats saying it doesnt make sense is sort of right in a way cause VT is probably the best mafia Fake claim out there, but yet a VT is worth more to town then a survivor. Therfore, Im between a rock and a hard place on this one.

[jgordon1111]

lets put it the easy way you notice I did not put a vote on Saf, thats because I was running it threw my head about his role, and wanted other opinions.

you come down to it vt or 3rd party lol you know what is best.

I know whats best, but everyone thats saying it doesnt make sense is sort of right in a way cause VT is probably the best mafia Fake claim out there, but yet a VT is worth more to town then a survivor. Therfore, Im between a rock and a hard place on this one.

At this point everyone just needs to take the time look up both roles on wiki,read them carefully and see what they think and vote what they feel is best.

I think Saf's has potential to be scum fake claim,but trying not to play the mod it might go the other way. Thats why I wanted other opinions

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it is... comparable to how my role pieces together.
let's see, in most cases a vt should be lynched early on because it's an easy borderline impossible thing for town to disprove if it's the godfather, low risk, high rewards, however, due to the post I noted earlier, where safari offers his own death to prove jd wrong and that he is town, that screams vt too hard to deny. if saf is Adolf and pulled that, it would be such a dick move even I would blacklist him.
Unvote vote jgordon
Keep going soldiers, decide if you want to retreat or press on, (and whom your target is, not just popular opinion.)every option can be legitimate if you honestly think it right.

[dazza2008]

Either one could be a fakeclaim really.

I think if Saf was scum he would come up with something better than that. This is metagaming and probably a bit of wifom too. Not sure which or both

But it is how I feel and of the 2 I have been most suspicious of JG so Vote jgordon

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[new guy1]

I mean, I think they are both telling the truth, I just dont know which one I would lynch before the other. Either way, I will try to post my option and my reasoning behind the vote before the deadline.

[chapcrap]

@jg I wasn't saying you were playing the mod. I was telling myself not to.

[jgordon1111]

@jg I wasn't saying you were playing the mod. I was telling myself not to.

I was telling myself not to either chap as I read the description and went over ghosts warning for us not to do it. The part that worried me was the mod said all were heroes of the bulge WWII in one way or the other. So with that piece in mind I couldnt put my vote on Saf, He might have thrown him in there as a figure for Britian to be represented in the game. If churchill is in this game saf is lying.

[chapcrap]

@jg I wasn't saying you were playing the mod. I was telling myself not to.

I was telling myself not to either chap as I read the description and went over ghosts warning for us not to do it. The part that worried me was the mod said all were heroes of the bulge WWII in one way or the other. So with that piece in mind I couldnt put my vote on Saf, He might have thrown him in there as a figure for Britian to be represented in the game. If churchill is in this game saf is lying.

Seems more likely to include Churchill instead of this General.

My thought is to lynch jgordon or saf now and save the other for a time when we don't have another good lynch option.