Okay catching up. I will provide links upon request but I don't have 5 hours to make a post and I have a lot to say.
StorrZerg wrote:strike wolf wants a "coherent answer" from tambo. /end the game boys it just broke .
Do you just want to mock this one statement or do you want to come up with an actual response to the point I had made?
@Storr v. Hotshot: Admittedly, I stated Hotshot originally because I felt that he had been ignored by Storr on things that Storr would normally jump on (notably commonly being online viewing the forum and then leaving without posting things). So, admittedly, I've been viewing everything here with a fairly skeptical eye. I liked Storr's initial push and I liked how Hotshot answered it. From there, I kind of get more and more cynical.
@Storr: My point about your case moving from strong to weak was that you went from statements that legitimately pointed out some fluffy comments, odd/non-committal playstyle and some genuine concerns to talking about:
a. Misrepresenting your Nark case as over a joke vote: Frankly, there were a lot of people who were on it because of the joke vote and I just don't see this.
b. Who he was on in the Ultra wagon: This is bs. Scum who know Ultra is not aligned with them would not want him unlocking any abilities by shooting him either. In fact, they would be less willing to consider this a good option. Also generally scum do not like leaving loose ends. If they felt they could get a two for one, I would expect at least a few to take it. I would expect the scum votes to be split on Ultra and Virus but if they favored one side, I believe it would have been to lynch Virus. As far as "if you legitimately believed they were scum you would vote Virus". Yes and no. If you were about 85% sure that they were scum than a virus lynch is preferable. However it is definitely possible to believe that they are scum and not being willing to lynch two townies. Testing claims is part of the game. And really least information provided? We have a near confirmed townie out of the deal where the only way this is no longer true is if his alignment changed over night.
c. The whole who led Virus issue: Honestly, this isn't so much of a weak point as you just made it sound ridiculous with the whole "Invisible vote" nonsense.
d. Town reading: As others have pointed out it's not really a strong Hotshot attribute to point out all the people he believes are town day 1.
Now admittedly reading back through it there were somethings that stood out more and made more sense but overall I still feel like your case got weaker as it went along. At least until your analysis of his reads post. So yes it did bother me that your case on Hotshot felt like it went from well-reasoned and strong to rambly and weak. It also bugs me that others managed to bring some of the strongest points in short posts to the table when your case really had become weaker and weaker as it went on.
As far as lynching you or DD. Among other things, I just felt it seemed to give more emphasis than the other choices:
1. Lynch storr:
a. Storr is scum. More likely to believe that AoG is scum and Hotshot/DD/Crasp town.
b. Storr is town: More likely to believe that Hotshot is scum
2. Lynch DD
a. DD is scum: More likely to believe that Storr is town and Hotshot scum.
b. DD is town: More likely to believe that Storr and/or AoG are scum.
3. Lynch AoG
a. AoG is scum: More likely to believe that Crasp/Hotshot are town; Null read on Storr.
b. Aog is town: Null reads.
4. Lynch Hotshot
a. Hotshot is scum: More likely to believe that Storr/Aog are town. DD scum.
b. Hotshot is town: Views mostly unchanged.
As far as reading you scummy, I don't like a lot about your play the last two days. I know you pressed Nark early but you had long since moved on before the Ultra/virus lover issue had come up and bringing AoG up today still seemed like a push for the easy lynch (this has admittedly been complicated due to some of the interactions since). I don't like how you seem to selectively read between the lines when it suits your benefit. Not reading between the lines in a Pancake post which would show that he was actually trying to figure a few things out or one incident where Hotshot did actually push a bit of a town read onto Zivel but you'll read between the lines on Hotshot disagreeing with you on the Nark case as calling you scummy. I didn't like how you had to be pushed into some things before you would actually address them (responding to a case on you, why you had a town read on someone day 1, stating your views on hotshot, etc.) and I did not like how when someone actually pressed you on something that you said without explaining, you went off on them. I don't like you posting your town read on Zivel as some grand town gesture when honestly, I consider it an easy read. I mean I am pretty sure the major critics of Zivel were Mtam who stated that he believed all three lover pairs were town, AoG who no one was listening to and Virus/Ultra who had some bias in the matter. Beyond them, I believe the harshest critique of Zivel after the lover counterclaim was that we couldn't fully rule him out as a scum possibility. There was simply no legitimate risk of Zivel being lynched Day 1.
@everyone who seems to only have half-grasped what is going on today: This is annoying. enough said. I am reading from behind most of the time and mostly only once through. I don't see why I seem to have a better grasp of what is going on in the game then several people who seem to be more active than I am right now.
@my comments about DD's piecemeal claim: The commuter every night part doesn't bug me as much but the going from "Lover" to "Lover can only talk at night because...." to "Lover commuter" to "limited commuter" etc did. That said, I am going to let this drop for now. DD is no longer currently someone I feel should be lynched today. I've liked his play today a lot and while his actual claim still gives me hesitancy, there are other ways to check into it.
Anamainiacks wrote:Storr and HotShot both are giving me scum vibes, but at the way they're at each other's throats, they definitely can't both be scum. I'm interested to see where this goes.
Going to give slight disagreement. I find it very unlikely that Storr and Hotshot are the same scum group but I believe there to be more than one scum type in this game so I won't say that they aren't both scum. However, as I said, earlier I am not basing my case on this right now.
Of course at this point, Hotshot comes in with his list of reads and yeah...I want to hear more about this but right now, I have to agree mostly with Aage's assessment of it.
@the Mtam situation: I am willing to believe him that he is just disinterested. I know I have never played against him as scum but I have the impression from his town play that he would be a fighter as scum. I tried to elicit a fighter response, it didn't happen. Even if I am wrong, his role can be proven tonight and I would expect it to be.
So after considering long and deliberately on this...
Vote Hotshot. I think Aage actually made the best post on this with his break down of Hotshot's read and honestly, I was leaning more towards voting Storr before that.
I think you are far more likely to be on something regarding streaker than aog. Aog is at least taking a stance on something today, while streaker... yeah he is slipping in the cracks. 
