The Tick Mafia - JUSTICE PREVAILS!

[TrafalgarLaw01]

Ok, I think Strike story makes sense.

[*Pixar*]

Ok, I think Strike story makes sense.

Agreed. Well I don't know where we want to go from here now. We have had 2 decently important roles revealed now. I don't like how Darin has been able to be quiet this game without being replaced just like the others. Would like to hear from him.

unvote vote Darin44

[Extreme Ways]

Ok, I think Strike story makes sense.

Agreed. Well I don't know where we want to go from here now. We have had 2 decently important roles revealed now. I don't like how Darin has been able to be quiet this game without being replaced just like the others. Would like to hear from him.

unvote vote Darin44

There were 5 people on the Strike train of which:
1) You, pix, are town
2) Sonic is town
3) Pepe is likely town

I'd rather vote for swang or Charle. But I also first want to see what Sonic does now that he knows what the purpose of Strike's visit was.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Damn all of you need to have less things happen IRL. Funerals, surgeries, rear-ends...

Alcohol, hangovers, jobs.

[strike wolf]

Yes. For clarity: I blocked Pix and so he got no result on Ragian.

[SoN!c]

"A Roleblocker prevents their target using active roles (such as Cop investigations and Doctor protections)" This comes directly from mafiawiki. Also mafiawiki says The role "Role-blocker" is very commonly seen as part of the Mafia.

How exactly are we supposed to know Strike is the Town version of the Roleblocker?

Still the theory mafia got one bust on N1 seems the most likely scenario and if Strike is telling the truth we have A) a murdered Doc that could not have done anything according to ya'll and now B) Strike saying he is the Town Roleblocker could not have prevented that murder / action too.. resulting in real slim odds if i have to believe it all.

More importantly we are now supposed to know the Town Roleblocker did not block the mafia hit on N1.. because Strike blocked me that night. ? How is it the mafia hit got blocked then? Don't tell me if you can make two hits your just gonna do 1?

DDS made a drunk claim about him being a force ghost.. Never a good idea to post any stuff while drunk because drunk talk is just emotions talking and emotions are always right.

But i don't wanna get into that because I think there is already enough out there for now - especially for the townies with powers- to figure out where they need to go next.

[Extreme Ways]

"A Roleblocker prevents their target using active roles (such as Cop investigations and Doctor protections)" This comes directly from mafiawiki. Also mafiawiki says The role "Role-blocker" is very commonly seen as part of the Mafia.

How exactly are we supposed to know Strike is the Town version of the Roleblocker?

Still the theory mafia got one bust on N1 seems the most likely scenario and if Strike is telling the truth we have A) a murdered Doc that could not have done anything according to ya'll and now B) Strike saying he is the Town Roleblocker could not have prevented that murder / action too.. resulting in real slim odds if i have to believe it all.

More importantly we are now supposed to know the Town Roleblocker did not block the mafia hit on N1.. because Strike blocked me that night. ? How is it the mafia hit got blocked then? Don't tell me if you can make two hits your just gonna do 1?

DDS made a drunk claim about him being a force ghost.. Never a good idea to post any stuff while drunk because drunk talk is just emotions talking and emotions are always right.

But i don't wanna get into that because I think there is already enough out there for now - especially for the townies with powers- to figure out where they need to go next.

am I good to respond to this or no?

[SoN!c]

"A Roleblocker prevents their target using active roles (such as Cop investigations and Doctor protections)" This comes directly from mafiawiki. Also mafiawiki says The role "Role-blocker" is very commonly seen as part of the Mafia.

How exactly are we supposed to know Strike is the Town version of the Roleblocker?

Still the theory mafia got one bust on N1 seems the most likely scenario and if Strike is telling the truth we have A) a murdered Doc that could not have done anything according to ya'll and now B) Strike saying he is the Town Roleblocker could not have prevented that murder / action too.. resulting in real slim odds if i have to believe it all.

More importantly we are now supposed to know the Town Roleblocker did not block the mafia hit on N1.. because Strike blocked me that night. ? How is it the mafia hit got blocked then? Don't tell me if you can make two hits your just gonna do 1?

DDS made a drunk claim about him being a force ghost.. Never a good idea to post any stuff while drunk because drunk talk is just emotions talking and emotions are always right.

But i don't wanna get into that because I think there is already enough out there for now - especially for the townies with powers- to figure out where they need to go next.

am I good to respond to this or no?

By all means. And btw your scoring a lot of good points lately

[strike wolf]

Since when is it accepted fact that mafia has 2 kills on top of Fusi's electrocution mechanic?

[Extreme Ways]

FP strike who basically summarised my argument.

"A Roleblocker prevents their target using active roles (such as Cop investigations and Doctor protections)" This comes directly from mafiawiki. Also mafiawiki says The role "Role-blocker" is very commonly seen as part of the Mafia.

How exactly are we supposed to know Strike is the Town version of the Roleblocker?

Good point, but nothing in his play has indicated scumminess to me.

Still the theory mafia got one bust on N1 seems the most likely scenario and if Strike is telling the truth we have A) a murdered Doc that could not have done anything according to ya'll and now B) Strike saying he is the Town Roleblocker could not have prevented that murder / action too.. resulting in real slim odds if i have to believe it all.

More importantly we are now supposed to know the Town Roleblocker did not block the mafia hit on N1.. because Strike blocked me that night. ? How is it the mafia hit got blocked then? Don't tell me if you can make two hits your just gonna do 1?

This is all assuming that Mafia has 2 kills every night, while people like me are arguing that mafia only has 1 factional kill. The other kill last night could have been a one-time only thing, which I find far more believable especially that fusi's ability is able to shut down Town from the grave had he stayed alive for longer. If next night has 2 kills again (and our vigi claims none of them), then it's worth considering.

Even if there is multiple kill potential every night, I doubt it is mafia. I would find a third party to be more likely.

DDS made a drunk claim about him being a force ghost.. Never a good idea to post any stuff while drunk because drunk talk is just emotions talking and emotions are always right.

But i don't wanna get into that because I think there is already enough out there for now - especially for the townies with powers- to figure out where they need to go next.

interesting choice of words, and I am definitely also guilty of non-sober posting . Just also not drunk.

[Extreme Ways]

I messed up my quote brackets, so EWBOP:

FP strike who basically summarised my argument.

"A Roleblocker prevents their target using active roles (such as Cop investigations and Doctor protections)" This comes directly from mafiawiki. Also mafiawiki says The role "Role-blocker" is very commonly seen as part of the Mafia.

How exactly are we supposed to know Strike is the Town version of the Roleblocker?

Good point, but nothing in his play has indicated scumminess to me.

Still the theory mafia got one bust on N1 seems the most likely scenario and if Strike is telling the truth we have A) a murdered Doc that could not have done anything according to ya'll and now B) Strike saying he is the Town Roleblocker could not have prevented that murder / action too.. resulting in real slim odds if i have to believe it all.

More importantly we are now supposed to know the Town Roleblocker did not block the mafia hit on N1.. because Strike blocked me that night. ? How is it the mafia hit got blocked then? Don't tell me if you can make two hits your just gonna do 1?

This is all assuming that Mafia has 2 kills every night, while people like me are arguing that mafia only has 1 factional kill. The other kill last night could have been a one-time only thing, which I find far more believable especially that fusi's ability is able to shut down Town from the grave had he stayed alive for longer. If next night has 2 kills again (and our vigi claims none of them), then it's worth considering.

Even if there is multiple kill potential every night, I doubt it is mafia. I would find a third party to be more likely.

DDS made a drunk claim about him being a force ghost.. Never a good idea to post any stuff while drunk because drunk talk is just emotions talking and emotions are always right.

But i don't wanna get into that because I think there is already enough out there for now - especially for the townies with powers- to figure out where they need to go next.

interesting choice of words, and I am definitely also guilty of non-sober posting . Just also not drunk.

[TrafalgarLaw01]

"A Roleblocker prevents their target using active roles (such as Cop investigations and Doctor protections)" This comes directly from mafiawiki. Also mafiawiki says The role "Role-blocker" is very commonly seen as part of the Mafia.

How exactly are we supposed to know Strike is the Town version of the Roleblocker?

Still the theory mafia got one bust on N1 seems the most likely scenario and if Strike is telling the truth we have A) a murdered Doc that could not have done anything according to ya'll and now B) Strike saying he is the Town Roleblocker could not have prevented that murder / action too.. resulting in real slim odds if i have to believe it all.

More importantly we are now supposed to know the Town Roleblocker did not block the mafia hit on N1.. because Strike blocked me that night. ? How is it the mafia hit got blocked then? Don't tell me if you can make two hits your just gonna do 1?

I agree Roleblocker does not make him town, but his story makes sense and its being honest. I must add I dont believe any mafia with killing intent visited you N1. So for now I would rather go after someonelse.

[SoN!c]

ZzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZzzzzzzz

Wake me up after the next night - if im still alive then

[Extreme Ways]

vote swang
Inclined to give Charle a second chance and go after swang instead.

[Darin44]

I'm going to post this before I get to far behind I don't have time to read 2 pages every day I don't read that fast as it is
I'm on page 34 so I will start posting as I read a page which By the time I get to the end I will probly be lynched

[SoN!c]

I'm going to post this before I get to far behind I don't have time to read 2 pages every day I don't read that fast as it is
I'm on page 34 so I will start posting as I read a page which By the time I get to the end I will probly be lynched

Finally somebody that notices it. Seems mafia m.o. to flood the thread with a lot of posts everythime we are on to something. And the result of all thoses posts is just "divide an conquer" or so designed because they know most of townies won't be able to read it all and just fast scroll thru at most if they even read it.

Also always done by the same group of three people like they exchanged whatsapp numbers on N1 notifying each other and one of those three plays the game exactly like Fusi was.

[strike wolf]

Mostly replying as I read through so some responses I ger may be out of date by the time I post this.

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1. I've said that I don't like your play style. Yes. I've also given examples of why I don't like your playstyle. Do you actually want to debate those facts or do you want to keep giving more examples of why I don't like your playstyle by taking more quotes out of context?

2. First, I didn't immediately come at you. I may have called some stuff you did suspicious. I probably disagreed with you quite a bit but I didn't actually vote you until the latter part of the day. Pretty sure I didn't even put you on my scummy list when I made it D2 and had changed my mind afterwards. Second, knowing you didn't personally kill Charle, doesn't actually prove much. There's room in this game for a SK and a vig and the mafia team has multiple members. You could have sent in a kill but got blocked or you could have been a mafia and mafia chose someone less high profile to send the kill in case you got tracked. I technically can't even prove that Charle was killed by mafia and not the vig. Though, Vig targetting Charle seems unlikely even if there had been two kills N1. The point ultimately is that knowing you didn't kill Charle personally doesn't actually prove all that much about your alignment.

3. I mean I could technically say something similar about your role and how my action played out with it as you can with the doc charle protect. There was only one NK N1. With the Midnight Bomber being likely SK since they killed Mafia, why wouldn't they kill N1? Could they have been role blocked and Extreme has alluded to actions that seem to involve you and finding the person who threw the smoke bomb. Couldn't you then be the Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight? Thing is that argument is just as speculative as me supposedly aiming to kill you N1 but you got saved.

4. Saying that Pix is mostly confirmed is because I technically can't 100% rule out that he is lying and actually mafia watcher (or mafia watcher told him my action) and used that to fake being a tracker. It's an unlikely scenario that I don't give much weight. Especially as him saying no results lines up with what Dega told me about how my role interacts with investigative roles. I dont know if I can be more specific than that without violating Mod Rules but I think that gets the gist across. I can pretty much confirm you didn't kill Charle because the only way that they could know I visited you was if they did track me or watch you. Therefore, it eliminates almost every scenario where my own action may have been blocked or redirected, save Pix actually being mafia watcher and you got busdriven with someone else but I've already said why I don't feel much confidence in that. (Plus town busdriver would have already come out and claimed that they'd switched you with someone else to blow apart Pix's story. Mafia busdrivrr if they existed would have most likely switched Rag with someone less likely to be protected so that they could kill The Tick N2.)

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Going to note a couple things here. 1. Yes, we cant prove Charles alignment. If anything he has generally felt a little less active than he was in his Day 1 incarnation but its such a small sample size for his behavior that it doesnt carry much weight. 2. While we cant prove it, its not really fair to say that town charle could 100% act unbiasedly towards the info he has on his N1 action unless he's actually forgotten it. 3. So I'm going to say that out of the people who have chosen to defend me, Trafs position seems the weirdest to me. Others have mainly noted that it's speculation and not super likely but and maybe this is just his inexperience showing, Traf has more than once defended me based on faulty logic over how doc protects work. I remember having reservations about Traf day 2 that I mostly wrote off because he seemed to genuinely become more active. May revisit some of his posts.

For those who are curious, I generally followed these guides for setup and resolving night actions.
System for Theme Flavor Unbreakability
Reasonable Action Resolution
Though I reserve the right to do things my own way if I think it makes more sense.

Thanks. I'm probably fastposted, but from my interpretation this means that a Doc can save someone on the night they are targeted, there is no "priority" in actions there is only a "how do they interact".

That's somewhat how I've usually done it. There's a hierarchy of action but it only comes into play if one action is designed to affect another.

I can definitely confirm that I am not scum and townie. I think it will be unfair to replace a town role with scum by the mod.

Flawed logic. A town player can replace anyone in the game unless one of their actions has a big effect on the game. This investigative roles with results can't replace but other town roles are free to replace scum or town unless their action has a clear impact thst it could cause on the latter game. If former town could only replace town or even if town could replace other roles just not scum roles then thst would be unfair to Mafia as any time a townie died in game and then got brought back, town would know they wouldn't need to look into that player. So no. You are not confirmed town just because your old role is town.

Let's stay united as Town guys and let's stay on subject? (Strike)

Why does town have to stay focused on me solely? Charle isn't confirmed town. The role of town is to investigate and weed out scum and shutting down alternate theories to your own doesn't help that. If an argument is weak, attack the argument.

And this post didn't really Strike me until I reread it in Trafs post but:

Yes Charle can't say anything about Doc. That is true. But let's suppose he is town. Just for the sake of argument. That would be a "townsman with extra info". Right? . He can't say anything about it but he still knows it.. . So as knowing it - it would be fairly stupid for him if he votes against somebody he knows is town from his old version..

And about the pivot:

Not sure who to pivot to when this loses momentum. I'm thinking Swang or Charle, but not sure which. Swang seems more scummish but I did directly claim that if Strike is town, Charle is very very likely scum.

Why pivoting already in advance? It's like you wanna see this Strike thing lose momentum.

This is also flawed. Charle doesn't know anyone is town other than his previous role which we all know is town. Let's say Charle protected you N1. Its a reasonable assumption based on his stated opinions from day 1. Even if this is true, it does not prove that you were visited for a kill and it doesnt prove that I went there to kill you or anything about your role.

@Strike, do you only block the person you are visiting or any and all people at that location? I have my own opinions, but it's worth it to get this confirmed.

Only the person I target.

Ok, I think Strike story makes sense.

Agreed. Well I don't know where we want to go from here now. We have had 2 decently important roles revealed now. I don't like how Darin has been able to be quiet this game without being replaced just like the others. Would like to hear from him.

unvote vote Darin44

There were 5 people on the Strike train of which:
1) You, pix, are town
2) Sonic is town
3) Pepe is likely town

I'd rather vote for swang or Charle. But I also first want to see what Sonic does now that he knows what the purpose of Strike's visit was.

Curious why you feel Pepe is likely town. He's seemed mostly quiet to me.

I also seem to see Swangs 5 points brought up a couple times. Pretty sure I answered them and no one rebutted my answers.

More general statements:

1. I want to reiterate that I believe the Bomber who killed last night is the SK and almost certainly The Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight. No one seems to be mentioning that and I think it's an important part of the puzzle.

2. I'm actually going to say that I'm Less certain of DDS's towniness at this point. He seems a bit more reserved than I remember him playing in the past.

3. I'm trying to remember who was the first to suggest that Charle was guaranteed town D2. Was it DDS? May reread.

4. Okay Son!c. Thing about you're play style beyond the parts I find scummy is you draw so much attention to yourself at times that it can be difficult to focus on what's going on beyond you and what you're talking about. Most of D2 ended up being an argument between you and EW over Loose who couldn't even be a legit lynch target due to someone setting off the smoke bomb. Then you became a distraction again while the Raz case was building which ends up being kind of key because when you actually go back and look at Fusis posts towards the end of that day, he's very wishy washy and someone might have picked up on that if another player wasn't confidently declaring that Raz was The Tick and a Third Party Hero.

Town:

1. Strike Wolf-The Doorman-town role blocker.
2. Ragian-Tick
3. Pixar-Tracker.

Townish:

1. EW-soft claim of an investigative role. Generally agree with his logic with a few exceptions. Plays a bit hard into defending those he finds town at times. Maybe just playstyle but could also be scum tactic to ingratiate himself to town.

Neutralish:

1. DDS-claimed Phantom or something? Role unconfirmable so far. Initial town vibes.
2. Son!c
3. Bax-Can anyone read him?
4. Charle-Pushed pretty hard on the speculative theory against me but if he is town and he did visit Son!c in his past life as doc, he'd also have the most reason to believe it.
5. Traf-has become more active as game has gone on. Said some things that don't track. May be scummy. May just be inexperience.
6. Darin-apparently overwhelmed by the pace of the game from post he just made.

Scummy:

1. Traffic-Quiet. Seems to pop in here and there. Possibly lurking.
2. Pepe-Same as Traffic.
3. Swang-Least confident here. Fusi did not say much in regards to Swang even after the case on Swang came up. May have been an attempt to keep from connecting himself to a fellow scum member while still defending him by supporting the other developing case.

I'm going to post this before I get to far behind I don't have time to read 2 pages every day I don't read that fast as it is
I'm on page 34 so I will start posting as I read a page which By the time I get to the end I will probly be lynched

Finally somebody that notices it. Seems mafia m.o. to flood the thread with a lot of posts everythime we are on to something. And the result of all thoses posts is just "divide an conquer" or so designed because they know most of townies won't be able to read it all and just fast scroll thru at most if they even read it.

Also always done by the same group of three people like they exchanged whatsapp numbers on N1 notifying each other and one of those three plays the game exactly like Fusi was.

Accusing others of posting too much is kind of low key hilarious coming from you.

I sleep now.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Oh boy. Long post. I'll try and snippet sections out. On my phone, at work. (Sorry EW).

2. First, I didn't immediately come at you. I may have called some stuff you did suspicious. I probably disagreed with you quite a bit but I didn't actually vote you until the latter part of the day. Pretty sure I didn't even put you on my scummy list when I made it D2 and had changed my mind afterwards. Second, knowing you didn't personally kill Charle, doesn't actually prove much. There's room in this game for a SK and a vig and the mafia team has multiple members. You could have sent in a kill but got blocked or you could have been a mafia and mafia chose someone less high profile to send the kill in case you got tracked. I technically can't even prove that Charle was killed by mafia and not the vig. Though, Vig targetting Charle seems unlikely even if there had been two kills N1. The point ultimately is that knowing you didn't kill Charle personally doesn't actually prove all that much about your alignment.

Ignoring most of this stuff since it's targeted at Sonic.

But Pepe mentioned he made a judgement call on Loose, and I'm assuming he's our town Vig.

It seems there are people I think they are town, thinking I am scum, I am not. I am town.
I'm sorry I thought Loose was scum. Well really I was hesitating, but the persistent attack against swang made me decide.
Also because the bomb of smoke but now I guess that bomb was not from him but from somebody to save him, (somebody who was sure he was town (100%)).

I will not vote by now, because it is clear my instint is not working.

Now (perhaps I am wrong) But I should think *Pixar is not scum, (because fusibaseball did vote against him).
and for now I guess I said enough.

Please Dega, send PM telling is D3... I realized by chance.

Curious why you feel Pepe is likely town. He's seemed mostly quiet to me.

For the above post. And it's not like half of our players have been active. Tracker and Vig though are normality town roles, and i can't see scum shooting a meat shield.

1. I want to reiterate that I believe the Bomber who killed last night is the SK and almost certainly The Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight. No one seems to be mentioning that and I think it's an important part of the puzzle.

2. I'm actually going to say that I'm Less certain of DDS's towniness at this point. He seems a bit more reserved than I remember him playing in the past.

3. I'm trying to remember who was the first to suggest that Charle was guaranteed town D2. Was it DDS? May reread.

1. I did mention it, almost immediately D3 and no one gave a thought to it.

2. Not much to add for Strike v Folks Without Sense. I've said a few times that most of what was being presented has been loose conjecture. I presented a theory that i could have been targeted N1 and that's why we only had 1 night kill. Ironically, Charle is the only one who acknowledged that.

3. I did but i had retracted that. It was poor judgement.

And for that matter, I'm not a "Phantom" or a "Ghost." I'm not sure where these are being pulled or how that would fit the theme. I did drop a soft claim but neither role is what was given to me or even remotely close to how either of these two roles operate.

Now, for the nth time, I'm seeing that its likely that one of our less active players are scum/SK. Can anyone agree or argue, or are we going to keep dancing to the same song and dance only its being sang in a different tune?

[Extreme Ways]

@Strike re: pepe, DDS outlined it. He basically claimed vigi and didnt get counterclaimed. I find it likely we have a vigi, too.

@DDS why I call you phantom/ghost, I started out with saying it's a phantom-like role but phantom does indeed operate differently.

@Sonic about a few people posting too much: that would be me and you buddy, others are generally fine. Ijust try to diffuse most of the things you spout before they gain too much traction.

[SoN!c]

Now, for the nth time, I'm seeing that its likely that one of our less active players are scum/SK. Can anyone agree or argue, or are we going to keep dancing to the same song and dance only its being sang in a different tune?

Okay DDS, let's go somewhere else then. Just say where

[DirtyDishSoap]

Now, for the nth time, I'm seeing that its likely that one of our less active players are scum/SK. Can anyone agree or argue, or are we going to keep dancing to the same song and dance only its being sang in a different tune?

Ive already put a vote on Bax. If anywhere, let's start there.

[Extreme Ways]

Now, for the nth time, I'm seeing that its likely that one of our less active players are scum/SK. Can anyone agree or argue, or are we going to keep dancing to the same song and dance only its being sang in a different tune?

Ive already put a vote on Bax. If anywhere, let's start there.

I dont like the push for Bax because out of all players that are less active, you choose to go for the one who didnt defend nor share his investigation results in Prison mafia. He also wasn't on the strike train. Might be mafia but you'll not get much out of him I'm afraid though I admit I'm not even trying this time.

I already put a vote on swang. He was getting some attention D2 (when I defended him a little as I preferred other votes, I should add) but the push on strike doesnt sit well with me. I also dont mind Charle, mostly due to his doc-past and how this interacted with him going after strike.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Now, for the nth time, I'm seeing that its likely that one of our less active players are scum/SK. Can anyone agree or argue, or are we going to keep dancing to the same song and dance only its being sang in a different tune?

Ive already put a vote on Bax. If anywhere, let's start there.

I dont like the push for Bax because out of all players that are less active, you choose to go for the one who didnt defend nor share his investigation results in Prison mafia. He also wasn't on the strike train. Might be mafia but you'll not get much out of him I'm afraid though I admit I'm not even trying this time.

I already put a vote on swang. He was getting some attention D2 (when I defended him a little as I preferred other votes, I should add) but the push on strike doesnt sit well with me. I also dont mind Charle, mostly due to his doc-past and how this interacted with him going after strike.

I've been against Swang simply because he's been a true neutral. Although i am picking an extremely easy target. Reason being is that at some point, sooner or later, we really should at least get our inactives involved in some form or fashion. If push comes to shove, fine, but i find Swang to have less merit than Traffic or Bax.
Look at it this way. Our D3 started at record speed because night actions were given. They're active enough to at least do that.

[Charle]

Sorry guys, I am travelling in Africa at the moment, will respond more tomorrow in real time

I believe Strike after his claim and it makes sense. Darin and Swang is now on my list.

Unvote vote Strike

Vote Swang

[Extreme Ways]

Sorry, that looks fishy to me without addressing why strike's story made sense.
unvote vote Charle

@DDS that makes sense, but I do believe we have better options for now. I'm willing to vote with you if push comes to shove (i.e. if ragian votes with you), but I really prefer Charle and Swang here. Traffic I'll excuse because he voted for me, I have no clue on the lad. Also down to vote him when needed.