Double Fanucci Mafia (4/14) Endgame

[StorrZerg]

Yes, which makes it strange that you've placed your vote almost instantly. Many have expressed concerns about AoG, but has any solid reasoning has been established?

can you explain why it is strange to push on a scum read?

"Vote AoG" is not a push, it's a weak-ass attempt to get others to push. If you've got arguments on AoG, you'd better actually have them out, instead of relying on others to do the work for you. Very strange move on your part.

Not to worry, I'll whip up a magical case from thin air that has no real substance because I don't have an investigation role. It's ok though because that's part of what giving a read is about.

Now you can continue to attack me, or you can comment on aog. Hell you could comment on my previous case on aog having to do with day 1. Or you can continue pushing that I know nothing and I'm waiting for others to do the work.

[Army of GOD]

obviously I'm biased but Storr's push on me has been so weak. His argument D2 for a vote on me was "look at his D1 posts" which is as shitty as it gets in term of an argument. IIRC, his argument for me D1 was that I didn't want to put the hammer on Hotshot despite me saying explicitly I thought Wing was more scummy. whatever.

also, he claimed 3p and says he wins with town (I've never heard of that before but I'm not hugely experienced). Then he pushes hard on me. A 3p claim is easy because it has a small chance of being counter claimed.

vote Storr


I know this seems like a OMGUS vote, but I had Storr pegged as scum since D1

the double fanucci flavor of the game is confusing the f*ck out of me, being multiplied with rishaed's PR thing that he has going on.

I don't see how Hotshot's role as a roleblocker is any more or less scummy than Wing's. Since I have a stronger scum read on Wing at the moment I'm going to keep my vote on him.


for the record, my scum reads in order from least scummy to most scummy is: Hotshot, Storr, strike and Wing with my vote on Wing.

[StorrZerg]

So aog, who then is mafia?

[dd515087]

...Damn...

[Metsfanmax]

Yes, which makes it strange that you've placed your vote almost instantly. Many have expressed concerns about AoG, but has any solid reasoning has been established?

can you explain why it is strange to push on a scum read?

"Vote AoG" is not a push, it's a weak-ass attempt to get others to push. If you've got arguments on AoG, you'd better actually have them out, instead of relying on others to do the work for you. Very strange move on your part.

Not to worry, I'll whip up a magical case from thin air that has no real substance because I don't have an investigation role. It's ok though because that's part of what giving a read is about.

Look, I accept this point. I am just saying that now that AoG has come back at you with an OMGUS vote, I don't know how to evaluate this. AoG is right that we can't really say much about you, and similarly unless we've got an investigation result or something else that happened at night, we can't say much about AoG. It is fine for you to just keep asking questions like "So aog, who then is mafia?" but do expect that people are going to come back at you with similar things that you had better be prepared to answer.

I think there are too many unknowns right now, and we're not clearly at a MYLO situation, so I might be up for an informational lynch if nothing better comes up. But as Storr says, we should take a while to do it.

[Metsfanmax]

I know this seems like a OMGUS vote, but I had Storr pegged as scum since D1

the double fanucci flavor of the game is confusing the f*ck out of me, being multiplied with rishaed's PR thing that he has going on.

I don't see how Hotshot's role as a roleblocker is any more or less scummy than Wing's. Since I have a stronger scum read on Wing at the moment I'm going to keep my vote on him.


for the record, my scum reads in order from least scummy to most scummy is: Hotshot, Storr, strike and Wing with my vote on Wing.

You also called me scummy at some point for voting Wing. And then suddenly I no longer appear on this later list. Can we just agree that D1 reads aren't always the strongest and not use that as evidence?

[StorrZerg]

@Mets Wat. I totally disagree with that statement.



Be good if people pit down. Their 2 biggest scum reads. Likely 2 or 3 scum left in the game.

I'm at aog/nos.

with ib town. Rishaed town, with virus as a lighter town.

Unsure of mets. And that is my standing.

[NoSurvivors]

What is your wincon storr?

[NoSurvivors]

Also you never did answer me. Is 3rd party a FACTION or not?

[StorrZerg]

Yes. I am my own faction.
that's what 3rd party means. Town can win with me.

[virus90]

for me its IB town (killed scum so yes), Storr Town (well storr 3th party, but ok.. town aligned, he was suspicious of AoG last night aswell, just as me)
Virus, im lead to believe this guy is town;
Rishaed probably town,
NOS Mets, unsure. if mafia is with 3 either one of them is scum i guess. (and i think mafia is 3) at this point i would say mets, since he is not so keen on aog lynch
Aog scum

fped by nos and storr

[NoSurvivors]

Thank you for answering my question storr. I fwell much better about AOG now.

[NoSurvivors]

Thank you for answering my question storr. I fwell much better about AOG now.

EBWOP

I FEEL* better lol. Also I will vote AoG. I think with an AoG lynch it will end, as I don't feel anyone else to be scum.

@storr about mets I feel him as a townie. He questions everything and doesn't take crap from people. Not apologetic at all and sticks to his guns.

[Metsfanmax]

I FEEL* better lol. Also I will vote AoG. I think with an AoG lynch it will end, as I don't feel anyone else to be scum.

I really doubt that a second mafia lynch will end the game. In a 14 player game 3 mafia (certainly no more than 4) would be pretty standard. Therefore if AoG is the second mafia (certainly plausible) then I would guess virus or storr for third mafia.

[Army of GOD]

wait so NoS, why do you think I'm scum?


also Storr, you're mafia, that's why I voted you

[NoSurvivors]

wait so NoS, why do you think I'm scum?


also Storr, you're mafia, that's why I voted you

The way you've played has been as scummy as myself and wing/HS. Re-reading D2 again I've become more and more upset that we let you slide while storr was trying to wave the AoG flag in our faces. I've had a mafia read on you since at least the end of d1.just thought there were bigger fish to fry. Now it's your turn.

[StorrZerg]

wait so NoS, why do you think I'm scum?


also Storr, you're mafia, that's why I voted you

Ok, so then who is the 3rd party in this game?

[Iron Butterfly]

I killed DD. I have not had time to read just saw who died. I will make post after I have seen other comments.

[Iron Butterfly]

Ok ...had some some dinner. Home from work.

DD played scummy...but yeh I knew I was going to target him. Interesting that we had no third kill. I am going to assume that I was targeted. I am probably the biggest threat at the moment because with the pool dwindling down my bad guy pool grows bigger.

I think we have two maybe three bad guys left. I also think Town is between a rock and a hard place.

My reads at this point.

Nos= Doc. He may be third party but he needs to win with Town winning. We had two instead of three kills last night. He claims to have protected me.

Rishead= Town. His role could be a mafia role. He is Town, as I said before because he had no reason to try and save HS. he did. Mafia or third party killer would sit back and let lynch happen, even join it.

Storr= I have gone back and fourth with him. To me third party survivor=wild card. I also think we "MAY" have more third party then we thought. The third parties help Town achieve win by boosting numbers and support.

Me= Vig. I guessed wrong night one, DD made my job easy night two.

@Storr why do you think Virus is Town?

I also think it is time for remaining players to claim. If we mislynch Town may loose.

[StorrZerg]

I think it's more likely mafia had an additional kill n1. Via a role.
It's possible we have 2 mafia factions and one shot you, thing is, why hasn't nos died keeps bugging me. tbh we can't do anything about this, best we can do is lynch mafia today.

It's also possible one faction of mafia had a blocking role and blocked the other scum.
Or you stacked with a mafia on dd5.

So my deal right now is. I have aog scum I'll get to him more latter. Need some time at home to whip up a magical case.

Nos scum. to many defensive roles imo. Jailer, town block, risheads w/e. Add that to save on virus for miss reading " hey maybe he is real. No way to be sure yet if he has had a real save.

Had a town read on virus for a bit. Ill expand more on him latter.

Had a town read on you, ib, for a while. Day 1.
Same with rishaed. Defended him yesterday.

Mets I'm unsure on. He isn't exactly scummy, but seems to be lacking in unique reads. Lots of questions on pushes, but not much opinion on what to do.

[rishaed]

I killed DD. I have not had time to read just saw who died. I will make post after I have seen other comments.

Thanks for that IB. After yesterdays lynch on mtamb I was really starting to doubt my logic and reads...I'm somewhat tuckered out, so I'll be either up for massclaims or a good case.

[StorrZerg]

Well,before a mass claim, where are you at now?



also, it be good to discuss an order of mass claim if we go that direction.

I'd be at
aog
mets
Virus

[Army of GOD]

wait so NoS, why do you think I'm scum?


also Storr, you're mafia, that's why I voted you

Ok, so then who is the 3rd party in this game?

Mets?

Virus?

Idk...

[StorrZerg]

wait so NoS, why do you think I'm scum?


also Storr, you're mafia, that's why I voted you

Ok, so then who is the 3rd party in this game?

Mets?

Virus?

Idk...

Not ib? interesting you answer with 2 unclaimed.
Leads me to believe you think 3rd party are in the game, yet the one who claims it dah 1 is scum.

so then, whom is my partner aog? I surely have one alive.

[Army of GOD]

I trust that IB is a town vig. No counterclaim and I think there would be at least one town vig on a non vanilla game like this.

Idk who your partner is, but its not me, NoS and IB