[Official] Team CC Mafia [Finished]

[Rodion]

I'd also like to suggest no voting before we decide everything that we have to decide.

There are 4 culties out there and 2 town votes on a townie is enough for the cult to theoretically speedlynch a townie (2 + 4 = 6, 11 players means it takes 6 to lynch). It's unlikely that they'd be so organized (unless they also have a "chatter" - day talking ability - like the mafia had), but it's better to be safe then sorry. By doing that, distribution would become 6-4, Commander's team would not have time to make their DK and the cult's recruitment would leave it 5-5.

I don't think I had a vote cast today, but, just to be sure, unvote.

[safariguy5]

Alright. I asked because Victor seems to be the scummiest so far and getting him lynched would help with testing his claim. Since he's the scummiest, targeting him first would be better, but I suppose he can't prevent a vig kill, only a lynch. That's why I was considering the suggestion that you "postpone" your kill so we can lynch Victor first and then NK someone later, but the fact that you can only DK sends us back to the drawing board.

The issue I have with Victor's claim is he claimed a Society of Cooks mod (a "teacher") and the phrase "come and be taught" was used more than once in flavour when there was a recruiting.

An interesting point about the flavor spec, but I don't think it's strong enough on its own to target Victor as a lynch possibility. I sort of doubt the ability of cult to have a one-shot governor ability as that basically gives them a free recruit with the added bonus of probably hearing a roleclaim. Could be a fake power, but then we get into possible flavor WIFOM, so that's not real reliable evidence either. I'm not 100% buying the role, although the name probably isn't going to be counterclaimed.

[jeraado]

The issue I have with Victor's claim is he claimed a Society of Cooks mod (a "teacher") and the phrase "come and be taught" was used more than once in flavour when there was a recruiting.

I completely agree - as soon as we started hearing about the cult 'teaching' their recruits it screamed SoC (and I'm glad no-one said anything because I was hoping someone would claim to be a teacher). Given that our numbers are tight, I won't vote yet, but I'm heavily leaning towards victor now.

[jonty125]

Fair enough, Mr. Squirrel, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. unvote

I'm not associated with Commander (that I'm aware of), and I won't dawdle and wait for more people to vote for me so they can get a claim outta me. I'm mpjh - Town Mayor. I can stop one lynch the whole game.

-Sully

Why would mpjh be town mayor, surely that would be AndyDurfense

[pancakemix]

Those are exactly my sentiments regarding Victor. My vote stays where it is.

[Victor Sullivan]

Fair enough, Mr. Squirrel, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. unvote

I'm not associated with Commander (that I'm aware of), and I won't dawdle and wait for more people to vote for me so they can get a claim outta me. I'm mpjh - Town Mayor. I can stop one lynch the whole game.

-Sully

Why would mpjh be town mayor, surely that would be AndyDurfense

I thought that too when I got the role, I just assumed he was like a governor or something, where mafia wins when he's killed or something...Idk.

I must say I'm not fond of your referring to AndyDufresne, it seems awfully scummy to me that you bring him up when he was never mentioned. FOS jonty for now.

-Sully

[pancakemix]

I must say I'm not fond of your referring to AndyDufresne, it seems awfully scummy to me that you bring him up when he was never mentioned. FOS jonty for now.

What are you talking about Andy not being mentioned? More than anything, you sound extremely desperate...

[Victor Sullivan]

Oh, deary me... In short, let's put our focuses elsewhere. I'd rather not have to use my ability today because a few dumkopfs didn't believe my innocence

Vote jonty - How about we start there?

-Sully

[safariguy5]

Oh, deary me... In short, let's put our focuses elsewhere. I'd rather not have to use my ability today because a few dumkopfs didn't believe my innocence

Vote jonty - How about we start there?

-Sully

Ionno sully, seems like more than a few people don't really believe you're town. And now it looks like you're trying to divert attention.

unvote vote sully

[Victor Sullivan]

Honestly, I'm not. I'm saying I don't feel I should waste my ability today. It's silly. I'm town, I swear to you. Can we at least get one more claim out of someone for the day?

-Sully

[Commander9]

So we are all in agreement that we should daykill Sully. Correct?

[Victor Sullivan]

So we are all in agreement that we should daykill Sully. Correct?

?!?

Well, if you put it that way then let me prove myself: unvote vote Victor Sullivan

-Sully

[Metsfanmax]

If Victor can stop his own kill does that prove he is town? Is it possible cult/mafia could have such a role?

[Victor Sullivan]

If Victor can stop his own kill does that prove he is town? Is it possible cult/mafia could have such a role?

I can stop a lynch, not a daykill. And using my ability should at the very least clear me of being the cult recruiter, no? Though I'm pretty sure cult goons don't get to keep their abilities.

-Sully

[jonty125]

Fair enough, Mr. Squirrel, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. unvote

I'm not associated with Commander (that I'm aware of), and I won't dawdle and wait for more people to vote for me so they can get a claim outta me. I'm mpjh - Town Mayor. I can stop one lynch the whole game.

-Sully

Why would mpjh be town mayor, surely that would be AndyDurfense

I thought that too when I got the role, I just assumed he was like a governor or something, where mafia wins when he's killed or something...Idk.

I must say I'm not fond of your referring to AndyDufresne, it seems awfully scummy to me that you bring him up when he was never mentioned. FOS jonty for now.

-Sully

unvote, vote Victor it is hardly scummy to metion someone has been in pratically every day scene.

[Victor Sullivan]

I think I need 2 more. Can we get a vote count?

-Sully

[pancakemix]

So we are all in agreement that we should daykill Sully. Correct?

Fire away, I say.

[Mr. Squirrel]

If Victor can stop his own kill does that prove he is town? Is it possible cult/mafia could have such a role?

I can stop a lynch, not a daykill. And using my ability should at the very least clear me of being the cult recruiter, no? Though I'm pretty sure cult goons don't get to keep their abilities.

-Sully

It would clear you as the recruiter (I highly doubt that the recruiter would have this ability as well) but not necessarily as cult. In most cult games, the recruited get to keep their powers, and from the names of the dead players, I would assume this holds true in this game as well. For example, gillgan came up as a "Recruited 3rd party vigilante" so likely he still had his powers. I might be wrong though. I'm not sure how saxlad does it.

So we are all in agreement that we should daykill Sully. Correct?

Fire away, I say.

Unfortunately, the only way to know if someone is a cultie for sure is to kill them. Although I would rather wait a little bit for more discussion before we just kill sully. Perhaps someone has a better idea. We are too close to losing to screw up now. If no new reasons come forth to save him though, then go ahead with the kill.

[Rodion]

The way Gilligan and Naxus flipped suggests that they didn't lose their powers. Assuming that, even if Victor were to prevent his own lynch there would be no way to trust him other than kill him and he seems to be the scummiest so far (scummy way of being active without really contributing, scummy way of trying to discredit Squirrel's claim without bringing the evidence I expected him to bring as a mod, scummy claim of a SOC teacher, scummy way of trying to shift the pressure into Jonty).

That considered, I don't oppose DKing him, but I think we could at least give everyone a chance to post here before doing so. Perhaps someone can clear him somehow?

[jonty125]

Perhaps someone can clear him somehow?

I don't really know what to do with this infomation but considering Victor's in the limelight I'm going to shed a bit of light on him. He is not mpjh. He is AndyDurfense and is Town Mayor. That was part of my role PM, sorry if this a noob error but he's at L-2 and up for a DK so I'm making sure all infomation is on the table.

[Mr. Squirrel]

Perhaps someone can clear him somehow?

I don't really know what to do with this infomation but considering Victor's in the limelight I'm going to shed a bit of light on him. He is not mpjh. He is AndyDurfense and is Town Mayor. That was part of my role PM, sorry if this a noob error but he's at L-2 and up for a DK so I'm making sure all infomation is on the table.

So you are claiming mpjh?

[safariguy5]

Perhaps someone can clear him somehow?

I don't really know what to do with this infomation but considering Victor's in the limelight I'm going to shed a bit of light on him. He is not mpjh. He is AndyDurfense and is Town Mayor. That was part of my role PM, sorry if this a noob error but he's at L-2 and up for a DK so I'm making sure all infomation is on the table.

So Victor lied about his role? If he's town, why would he do that? That or you're lying about his role.

[jimfinn]

No, I believe he is saying that his role interacts with Victor's, and his Role PM said something like " you and Victor Sullivan, (AndyDurfense, Town Mayor) can talk at night since you are neighbors" or some such thing. NOTE: I am not saying they are actually neighbors, just using it as an example for why his Role PM would include VS's role.

[safariguy5]

No, I believe he is saying that his role interacts with Victor's, and his Role PM said something like " you and Victor Sullivan, (AndyDurfense, Town Mayor) can talk at night since you are neighbors" or some such thing. NOTE: I am not saying they are actually neighbors, just using it as an example for why his Role PM would include VS's role.

So bottom line is that Victor lied about his rolename then. Town wouldn't do that.

[Rodion]

No, I believe he is saying that his role interacts with Victor's, and his Role PM said something like " you and Victor Sullivan, (AndyDurfense, Town Mayor) can talk at night since you are neighbors" or some such thing. NOTE: I am not saying they are actually neighbors, just using it as an example for why his Role PM would include VS's role.

So bottom line is that Victor lied about his rolename then. Town wouldn't do that.

I had a big discussion about that in Unkown Mafia and I can envision situations in which a townie would lie. Being that flavour casts Andy as the main town character, I'd believe he had a good reason to fake his name until Lack and his mafia got killed. I'm not sure if I still see a legit reason for lying after the mafia was dead, though.

That said, it does makes sense that Clapper knows who Andy is (by flavour spec).

I don't know what to think anymore. I'll try to come up with a solution later.