Pokemon Endgame: Mafia Victory + jonty

[Rodion]

First we wait for Haggis' claim, then we try to mount the pieces of the puzzle together.

Victor, 3 questions for you. Nag said he had 2 pokemon yesterday. I'm assuming you're one of them, yes? Who's the other? Who did Nag say he was going to target for recruitment in the night he died?

[Victor Sullivan]

First we wait for Haggis' claim, then we try to mount the pieces of the puzzle together.

Victor, 3 questions for you. Nag said he had 2 pokemon yesterday. I'm assuming you're one of them, yes? Who's the other? Who did Nag say he was going to target for recruitment in the night he died?

I'll answer the first, yes. The others do not further the town at the moment, and I think it'd be best to leave them unanswered until necessary.

-Sully

[Rodion]

First we wait for Haggis' claim, then we try to mount the pieces of the puzzle together.

Victor, 3 questions for you. Nag said he had 2 pokemon yesterday. I'm assuming you're one of them, yes? Who's the other? Who did Nag say he was going to target for recruitment in the night he died?

I'll answer the first, yes. The others do not further the town at the moment, and I think it'd be best to leave them unanswered until necessary.

-Sully

As long as you intervene before we accidentally lynch your mason buddy(ies), fine.

[Haggis_McMutton]

I'm Brock, town roleblocker.

N1. Comm
N2. Rodion
N3. freezie
N4. BG

Yes, this is why I was so surprised @ the going ons of last night. As I'm the roleblocker and I obviously didn't block chu. I guess either there's also a roleblocker(-like) scum character/ the scum had a one-off roleblock/ something really weird is going on.

Pretty sure jim's claim is fake. Gonna wait so we can talk about the next actions though. If he actually is a one-off roleblocker, that explains a few things.

Anyone else finding it kind of suspicious how hard the claimed town miller is pushing for the kill of the double voter?

I didn't think it was worth revealing myself for this, but the fact I blocked him the night when there was no water gun kill is also interesting ...

[freezie]

I'm Brock, town roleblocker.

N1. Comm
N2. Rodion
N3. freezie
N4. BG

Yes, this is why I was so surprised @ the going ons of last night. As I'm the roleblocker and I obviously didn't block chu. I guess either there's also a roleblocker(-like) scum character/ the scum had a one-off roleblock/ something really weird is going on.

Pretty sure jim's claim is fake. Gonna wait so we can talk about the next actions though. If he actually is a one-off roleblocker, that explains a few things.

Anyone else finding it kind of suspicious how hard the claimed town miller is pushing for the kill of the double voter?

I didn't think it was worth revealing myself for this, but the fact I blocked him the night when there was no water gun kill is also interesting ...

I am going against the double voter for one reason: She was wild, and has not been recruited by Ash. Therefor, at this point of the game, and seeing how Lala has been scummarinning ever since, and not using her double vote, there is a very good chance that she has been recruited by bad guys. At least I am trying to find the key on how town can actually win this with the so many no lynches we had.

But, your claim poses a problem to me, anyway.

But first..Jim, who did you use your one shot ability against, and when?

[jonty125]

unvote vote lalaland for scummarining its been over a week since you last posted and you seemed to have a lot to say when you first joined the game but now you seemed to have just bottled up.

[Rodion]

I didn't think it was worth revealing myself for this, but the fact I blocked him the night when there was no water gun kill is also interesting ...

Which begs the question: why didn't you block Freezie again?

More thoughts on everything later.

[jimfinn]

I still have it, it's still unused.

[Rodion]

1. Fircoal - claimed Misty
2. Streaker replaced by jonty125 - claimed Pidgey
3. karelpieterje replaced by naxus - claimed Mankey
4. shieldgenerator7 - claimed Gyarados
5. Victor Sullivan - claimed Charizard
6. Rodion - claimed Delia Ketchum
7. Hank44Soccer replaced by lalaland - claimed Dodrio
8. sheepofdumb replaced by gimli1990 - claimed Gengar
9. jimfinn - claimed Electabuzz
10. Haggis McMutton - claimed Brock
11. freezie - claimed Spearow

We know we have:
- Water Gun pokémon mafia or SK (probably Squirtle/Wartortle/Blastoise)
- mafia recruiter (confirmed by Ratatta flipping recruited in a red color)
- thief

There are AT LEAST 2 fakeclaims. We MUST find the mafia/cult recruiter, the Water Gun Pokémon (mafia/SK) and the thief (assuming a thief exists and was not invented to hide Fircoal's anti-town alignment). Our absolute priority is to kill the RECRUITER.

Claims I believe the most:

Naxus (check Yoshi's rule #14: seems like the case of the undeclared deputy that appeared to guarantee the balance).

Naxus said Victor was town and Lala was 3rd-party during N4. That means Lala COULD be the Water Gun pokémon, but Lala has already established that she can doublevote and I doubt that she has more than 1 power. Just to make sure, though, it wouldn't hurt to ask her to doublevote again so we're sure it was not a 1-time thing.

I believe Gimli as far as being Gengar (Gengar appeared on the flavour scene and was not counterclaimed). Whether his WC went from lyncher to town is something I'm not totally sure of (it's also possible that he was recruited), but I would clear him from being recruiter and Water Gun. Perhaps he was the thief (ghost pokémon were rather mischievous in the anime and that could fit well for a thief. Problem is, Shaggydan was called "mischievous" right before he died and Yoshi didn't make his powers clear - it's possible that he was the thief and now we'll never know).

So far, with Rodion, Naxus, Victor, Lala and Gimli "cleared" from being the recruiter, there are 6 remaining:

Fircoal
Haggis
Jonty
Shield
Jimfinn
Freezie

More on that later.

[jonty125]

I agree that lala may not be the recruiter but the bottling up causes me to raise my eyebrows. And what said a double voter was a definite town.

[Rodion]

I'm Brock, town roleblocker.

N1. Comm
N2. Rodion
N3. freezie
N4. BG

Yes, this is why I was so surprised @ the going ons of last night. As I'm the roleblocker and I obviously didn't block chu. I guess either there's also a roleblocker(-like) scum character/ the scum had a one-off roleblock/ something really weird is going on.

Pretty sure jim's claim is fake. Gonna wait so we can talk about the next actions though. If he actually is a one-off roleblocker, that explains a few things.

Anyone else finding it kind of suspicious how hard the claimed town miller is pushing for the kill of the double voter?

I didn't think it was worth revealing myself for this, but the fact I blocked him the night when there was no water gun kill is also interesting ...

But, your claim poses a problem to me, anyway.

Freezie: confirm/deny that you got a message from Yoshi saying you were blocked by the end of N3.

[Rodion]

Shield - Gyarados, governor. Problem with his claim is that we can only test it by accepting one more "no lynch", something that we simply can't afford anymore. He has also claimed a Water pokémon. It could be that he was afraid to fakeclaim his name and getting counteclaimed, so he only faked his role, but with the ammount of pokémon we have I think he'd have fakeclaimed to hide his water type if he really were the Water Gun mafia/SK. Not sure how I feel about him possibly being the recruiter.

Haggis - Brock, roleblocker. Problem with his claim is that he claimed last. That means he had ZERO risk of getting counterclaimed and, as such, his claim should not carry a lot of weight. Besides, if he blocked a possible mafia/SK, he should have targeted the same person the following night. Question to you, Haggis: did you have any knowledge of the existence of an Onix in the game? Now's the time to spill it.

Freezie - Spearow, miller. Could be a miller trying to avoid a bad investigation, could be a WIFOM from a recruiter/SK to stay alive in the game. Freezie has been trying to get Lala killed, but Naxus said Lala was still 3rd-party.

Fir - Misty, busdriver. N1 flavour suggests that there was a robbed bike. Kratos' N2 death suggests that the Water Gun pokémon was swapped with Kratos, so the existence of a busdriver should be more than confirmed. It is, however, extremely convenient that the bike was robbed exactly when we had the chance to kill a mafia/SK. Last night, Victor targeted BG for a NK and Fir said he swapped BG and me. I should have died, yet BG did. That means:
a) Fir lied about who he swapped (Fir mafia busdriver)
b) someone blocked him (Fir town busdriver, mafia roleblocker)

Lala - Dodrio, doublevoter. Dodrio has 3 heads. I think it would have been more believable if she was Doduo (2 heads, 2 votes), but fact is she proved she had an ??? vote. I'd like to see that ??? vote again just to be sure.

Jonty - Pidgey, commuter. No feelings on his claim other than "there are a lot of claimed flying pokémon out there". Question for you, Jonty: do you think you have enough knowledge to either clear or bust someone? If so, please share with us.

Jim - Electabuzz, 1-shot roleblocker. Seems weird that he has a 1-shot ability. The fact that he backed it with the name of his power could be scummy, but I'm not sure. Haggis' claim of full-time roleblocker is sort of incompatible with Jim's. One of the two (or both) could be lying.

[jonty125]

Jonty - Pidgey, commuter. No feelings on his claim other than "there are a lot of claimed flying pokémon out there". Question for you, Jonty: do you think you have enough knowledge to either clear or bust someone? If so, please share with us.

I have no knowledge of any other players in this game, my #1 preference for a lynch is lala but I'll happily see jimfinn lynched but I'm unsure over whether I would back a lynch on Haggis or not.

[Rodion]

Fakeclaims will be provided if someone is not familiar with the setting. However, the mafia have to ask for them (or the town if you want...).

The day started with a bang! By noon, almost everyone was suspicious of a large swath of the others. The town was in an uproar. By evening, they were growing tired of the constant bickering and decided to switch on the television. There was a battle coming in live from a Ginormous Pokemon Stadium. It was Cup Finals or something.

However, rather than the drab entertainment they were expecting, the town saw something unusual in the Onix they were watching. Normally, the moves he used would be reserved for odd occasions. None of his battle sets made sense. He wasn't even acting like an Onix! Furious, they immediately shut the TV off and called the network to complain. When the live ratings came in as terrible, the network exec. decided that Onix was too creative for the mass market. He slipped an attack in from his high office (effectively fixing the outcome of the fight) in order to allow people to watch the regular programming they were expecting.

Onix, Trainer's Feuded Pokemon has Fainted.

Proffesor Oak was standing at the creek watching some of the fish Pokemon. He noticed from the corner of his eye somebody stealing a bike. As he ran to investigate, he was bit on hand. "Oh dear that looks infected" he pondered as he ran off to his lab to heal himself. In his haste, the bike thief had dropped a Pokeball which slowly rolled into the creek. It dropped in and air bubbles could be seen as it dropped. Then a huge splash of water erupted from the Creek...

In another part of town, Bulbasaur was exhausted since the Sun had gone down and he was writing his Spore exams. When he heard a huge splash, he decided to look for some water. "How about some water GUN?" shouted another Pokemon. Bulbasaur, Wild Starter Pokemon (Commander9) has fainted.

In the morning, all was normal, except one woman, who found a Pokeball on the pillow beside her...

Thief steals bike.
Thief drops pokeball.
Huge splash of water.
One woman found a pokeball.

Since no female human being mentioned getting a pokeball when they claimed, perhaps this woman is the villain.

Professor Oaks infection was getting worse and worse. He probably (definitely) would have died tonight, but then he decided to mess with his records. Now, according to the Pokedex Charizards and Meowths are always wild.

Professor Oak, Town Cop Human has been modkilled.

Editing of posts is not acceptable. There was already one warning about this. Furthermore, you were poisoned anyway and due to die.

Vote Count:

shieldgenerator7 (1) - Mr. Squirrel
Victor Sullivan (1) - freezie
Hank44Soccer (5) - shieldgenerator7, Victor Sullivan, Rodion, nagerous, evilchaos L-5
shaggydan (1) - Streaker

With 18 alive it takes 10 to lynch

Hank has been prodded. I will give 24 hours after he opens his message before looking for replacement.

In the Jungle, the goggles went on. "I am ready".

Meanwhile, with Proffesor Oak dead, many decided to sneak into his lab to study his Pokemon. Some went for information, some to settle old scores. In an abandoned corner of the lab, someone found a Pokemon left over from Oak's collection. He quickly made off with it as his own.

Under the ground, there was a booming thud. As the creature lifted his head into the night sky, all that could be seen was a Pokeball, seemingly left there by accident.

Water Pollution seemed to be a problem, Ho-Oh thought as he drank from the river. "This water is disgusting" he muttered under his breath. His clever (and extraordinarily original) opponent screamed: "How about Water Gun?" Ho-Oh was hit from behind. As he realized what occured, he fell into the water. KER-SPLUNK! However, a Legendary Bird does not easily die, especially one known for resurrection. The water began to bubble. The water began to boil. Pretty soon, the soul of the fallen Ho-Oh had arisen. "Thou hast slain me, for that I will slay you".

Panicked, the enemy merely exclaimed "How about Water Gun?" as he ducked behind some boxes. Ho-Oh roared as the Sacred Fire burned. However, the casualty of this was: Pikachu, Town Mason Pokemon (kratos644)

As the guardian of the Sky flew off, the sky was now out of whack.
Ho-Oh, Wild Amplifying Beloved Princess Pokemon (Mr. Squirrel) has been killed.

It is now Night 3, you have 72 hours to send in your actions.

We assume there was a busdrive there, but Yoshi didn't mentioned a bike being used, he mentioned the pokemon constiently ducking.

In the Jungle, the goggles went on. "I am ready".

Meanwhile, with Proffesor Oak dead, many decided to sneak into his lab to study his Pokemon. Some went for information, some to settle old scores. In an abandoned corner of the lab, someone found a Pokemon left over from Oak's collection. He quickly made off with it as his own.

Under the ground, there was a booming thud. As the creature lifted his head into the night sky, all that could be seen was a Pokeball, seemingly left there by accident.

Water Pollution seemed to be a problem, Ho-Oh thought as he drank from the river. "This water is disgusting" he muttered under his breath. His clever (and extraordinarily original) opponent screamed: "How about Water Gun?" Ho-Oh was hit from behind. As he realized what occured, he fell into the water. KER-SPLUNK! However, a Legendary Bird does not easily die, especially one known for resurrection. The water began to bubble. The water began to boil. Pretty soon, the soul of the fallen Ho-Oh had arisen. "Thou hast slain me, for that I will slay you".

Panicked, the enemy merely exclaimed "How about Water Gun?" as he ducked behind some boxes. Ho-Oh roared as the Sacred Fire burned. However, the casualty of this was: Pikachu, Town Mason Pokemon (kratos644)

As the guardian of the Sky flew off, the sky was now out of whack.
Ho-Oh, Wild Amplifying Beloved Princess Pokemon (Mr. Squirrel) has been killed.

It is now Night 3, you have 72 hours to send in your actions.

Water gun's attack power is 40. It should not be able to kill a legendary unless it was really overleveled (in which case it shouldn't have water gun) or the legendary was at very low HP.

It might say "How about Water Gun" without using Water Gun.

As far as I know, the only pokemon that speaks anything besides their name/powers is Rocket's Meowth (or Mewtwo/Mew).

In a dark part of town, a creature was lurking. After a quick bite, it continued to slink around where it quickly became engulfed in flames. Ratatta, former Serial Poisoner Pokemon (evilchaos) has been killed! "Vengeance will be mine, thought the only observer of this.

In another part of town, the woman who woke up beside a Pokeball was wondering why Night seemed to be taking forever. As she went outside to check on the weather, she quickly became totally soaked and decided to head back to bed. Then the sun rose, so she went outside.

At first, the town screamed. The water pollution had become so bad that some just couldn't make it. Magikarp,Jester Pokemon (Army of GOD) has died.

Could it be Haggis roleblocking Freezie? I'm starting to suspect Freezie more and more. Quite frankly, I don't see how Brock would use water to block someone, but who knows?

Ash went home for the evening. "I feel so terrible mom, I don't think I've caught nearly enough Pokemon."

"It's ok honey, Oh my God, what is this bite you have here?!?"

"I dunno, mom, I think it happened last night."

"Here let me look at it, oh no, this will not do, I just have to quickly run out and pick some mint to help with the swelling".

As she went out, it seemed others were interested in her. From the shadows, something was watching her...

Meanwhile, a rather mischeivious Pokemon was filling up the Diglett holes. "Water Gun, ha ha ha" It shouted as it flooded the earth. Unfortunately, not everyone could make it far enough to hide.

Sandshrew, Digging Pokemon (shaggydan) has drowned.

As the shadown continued to watch, he didn't notice an encroaching entourage. In a lightning flash, Pokeballs were thrown and fire was breathed. In an almost remarkable flash a bike whizzed by and both the Pokeball and flame hit the women picking Mint.

"Oh, Ash, you've got some explaining to do" she screamed as stomping back to the house. However, Ash's explanation wasn't that great, as now he was with some others:



Ash, Recruiting Mason Human has died.

I protect Nagerous but find out he had been poisoned by Ratatta last night.
Nag dies.
The bike appears on the flavour scene but we still don't know for sure why I'm alive if BG was swapped with me.

Major Mistake (add this to the earlier scene):

For days and nights, even though nobody was watching, Gengar and Nidorino fought. This feud was too important to leave behind. Eventually, somebody was victorious.

Nidorino, Town Feuded Pokemon (BGtheBrain) has fainted.

[freezie]

I'm Brock, town roleblocker.

N1. Comm
N2. Rodion
N3. freezie
N4. BG

Yes, this is why I was so surprised @ the going ons of last night. As I'm the roleblocker and I obviously didn't block chu. I guess either there's also a roleblocker(-like) scum character/ the scum had a one-off roleblock/ something really weird is going on.

Pretty sure jim's claim is fake. Gonna wait so we can talk about the next actions though. If he actually is a one-off roleblocker, that explains a few things.

Anyone else finding it kind of suspicious how hard the claimed town miller is pushing for the kill of the double voter?

I didn't think it was worth revealing myself for this, but the fact I blocked him the night when there was no water gun kill is also interesting ...

But, your claim poses a problem to me, anyway.

Freezie: confirm/deny that you got a message from Yoshi saying you were blocked by the end of N3.

I didn't receive any messages, and I don't have a power that could be blocked anyway.

Anyway, Jim said he didn't use his power, so, if Jim is actually telling the truth, Haggis is lieing.

I also forgot about Naxus saying Lala was still 3rd party.



I am keeping my vote on jim. Between him and Haggis, Jim is more likely to be scum..And Lala can NOT be the recruiter, she is already a double voter...

[Fircoal]

1. Fircoal - claimed Misty
2. Streaker replaced by jonty125 - claimed Pidgey
3. karelpieterje replaced by naxus - claimed Mankey
4. shieldgenerator7 - claimed Gyarados
5. Victor Sullivan - claimed Charizard
6. Rodion - claimed Delia Ketchum
7. Hank44Soccer replaced by lalaland - claimed Dodrio
8. sheepofdumb replaced by gimli1990 - claimed Gengar
9. jimfinn - claimed Electabuzz
10. Haggis McMutton - claimed Brock
11. freezie - claimed Spearow

We know we have:
- Water Gun pokémon mafia or SK (probably Squirtle/Wartortle/Blastoise)
- mafia recruiter (confirmed by Ratatta flipping recruited in a red color)
- thief

There are AT LEAST 2 fakeclaims. We MUST find the mafia/cult recruiter, the Water Gun Pokémon (mafia/SK) and the thief (assuming a thief exists and was not invented to hide Fircoal's anti-town alignment). Our absolute priority is to kill the RECRUITER.

Claims I believe the most:

Naxus (check Yoshi's rule #14: seems like the case of the undeclared deputy that appeared to guarantee the balance).

Naxus said Victor was town and Lala was 3rd-party during N4. That means Lala COULD be the Water Gun pokémon, but Lala has already established that she can doublevote and I doubt that she has more than 1 power. Just to make sure, though, it wouldn't hurt to ask her to doublevote again so we're sure it was not a 1-time thing.

I believe Gimli as far as being Gengar (Gengar appeared on the flavour scene and was not counterclaimed). Whether his WC went from lyncher to town is something I'm not totally sure of (it's also possible that he was recruited), but I would clear him from being recruiter and Water Gun. Perhaps he was the thief (ghost pokémon were rather mischievous in the anime and that could fit well for a thief. Problem is, Shaggydan was called "mischievous" right before he died and Yoshi didn't make his powers clear - it's possible that he was the thief and now we'll never know).

So far, with Rodion, Naxus, Victor, Lala and Gimli "cleared" from being the recruiter, there are 6 remaining:

Fircoal
Haggis
Jonty
Shield
Jimfinn
Freezie

More on that later.

This game seems very anime first season based. With that in mind I must point out Electabuzz and Dodrio. Out of theose on the list they are the least likely to show up in this game due to their lack of prominence in the anime. (Or lack of prominence in general)

I would also say it's highly likely that Brock and Misty are both in the game due to being heavy charries in the anime. Thusly I believe Haggis. Also I have to note, the people he gave the 3-main humans too (NAggy, me and Haggis) all are pretty high on experience.

It is clear that today we're going to have to kill someone who could be the recruiter. We need them out of the game asap. I personally think a lynch of either Jim or Freezie would be the best action right now.

[freezie]

Fircoal, on your same train of though, Jim would be a better option since I appear in the very first episodes

[Haggis_McMutton]

I didn't think it was worth revealing myself for this, but the fact I blocked him the night when there was no water gun kill is also interesting ...

Which begs the question: why didn't you block Freezie again?

Cause a roleblock isn't really any kind of substantial evidence, more often than not, something else happened that stopped the kill.
My general strategy is to try to roleblock as many people as possible, particularly those I think will make it to endgame, so that if any of them eventually claims I have some basis to verify their claims.

Additionally, even when I might think my roleblock stopped a kill(which in this case I wasn't really convinced, as the scene said someone got wet but didn't die, guess that could be a roleblock, could as well be a doc protect or bulletproof), I usually block someone else for a night, then go back to blocking the same person a night later, if the patern is no-kill, kill, no-kill, then I'm usually convinced that guy is the killer. The way to test a theory is to try to falsify it and all that.

I didn't have any info on Onix. Maybe something happened if I targeted him/ he targeted me, dunno.

Also, I'd like both freezie and jim killed by tomorrow tbh. We can lynch one and vig the other.

Also, also, looking at the deaths, looks like we had a town and a neutral feuded pokemon, so it makes sense the last one would be anti-town (lyncher). But I'm kind of doubting he turned town later. Unless he was recruited or something.

[Fircoal]

Fircoal, on your same train of though, Jim would be a better option since I appear in the very first episodes

Only the first episode but yes I'm well aware of that. However I have some doubts about Doom giving a noob such an important role in one of his first games. You seem like a better fit for a recruiting role.

[jonty125]

Fircoal, on your same train of though, Jim would be a better option since I appear in the very first episodes

Only the first episode but yes I'm well aware of that. However I have some doubts about Doom giving a noob such an important role in one of his first games. You seem like a better fit for a recruiting role.

I thought roles were given out randomly

[freezie]

Fircoal, on your same train of though, Jim would be a better option since I appear in the very first episodes

Only the first episode but yes I'm well aware of that. However I have some doubts about Doom giving a noob such an important role in one of his first games. You seem like a better fit for a recruiting role.

I thought roles were given out randomly

Doom has yet to say if roles were given randomly or not.

But anyway, Fircoal, I didn't said Jim was to be the recruiter. It's a possibility. He could very well be a recruitee.

Haggis, if you are so adament that I am the water pokemon, block me again tonight. When you see a death tomorow by water, you'll see where you are wrong.

[jonty125]

Fircoal, on your same train of though, Jim would be a better option since I appear in the very first episodes

Only the first episode but yes I'm well aware of that. However I have some doubts about Doom giving a noob such an important role in one of his first games. You seem like a better fit for a recruiting role.

I thought roles were given out randomly

Doom has yet to say if roles were given randomly or not.

But anyway, Fircoal, I didn't said Jim was to be the recruiter. It's a possibility. He could very well be a recruitee.

Haggis, if you are so adament that I am the water pokemon, block me again tonight. When you see a death tomorow by water, you'll see where you are wrong.

Small problem with your theroy if I was mafia, I would choose not to kill; you'd be framed as mafia and with miller claim you would be hung quickly and then the mafia can continue as norm.

[freezie]

Fircoal, on your same train of though, Jim would be a better option since I appear in the very first episodes

Only the first episode but yes I'm well aware of that. However I have some doubts about Doom giving a noob such an important role in one of his first games. You seem like a better fit for a recruiting role.

I thought roles were given out randomly

Doom has yet to say if roles were given randomly or not.

But anyway, Fircoal, I didn't said Jim was to be the recruiter. It's a possibility. He could very well be a recruitee.

Haggis, if you are so adament that I am the water pokemon, block me again tonight. When you see a death tomorow by water, you'll see where you are wrong.

Small problem with your theroy if I was mafia, I would choose not to kill; you'd be framed as mafia and with miller claim you would be hung quickly and then the mafia can continue as norm.

And that would leave one more townie alive. If I have the choice between lylo and this, I choose this way.

[Rodion]

Water Gun pokemon no-kill during N3:

a) he targeted Shaggy, whom I had protected (he then targeted Shaggy again during N4 and killed him since I switched to the already doomed Nag)
b) Haggis blocked Freezie

Fir said he was lazy and forgetful around N3, so if we are to believe him, there are no redirections that need to be considered here.

BG's N4 death:

a) Fir lied about swapping BG and me
b) Fir was roleblocked
c) Victor lied about who he attacked (unlikely, as Naxus backed him with an innocent report and Nag did not throw him under the bus on D4)

[jonty125]

And that would leave one more townie alive. If I have the choice between lylo and this, I choose this way.

I don't understand the 2nd sentence can anyone shed any light on it because I can't see us been near lylo with 11 players.