Indigo League Mafia/RPG Final Scene

[The Weird One]

I'm trying to be helpful to town. Something that you couldn't do if your life depended on it.

BOOM

HOOK LINE AND SINKER

I am a wild pokemon, you are not.

....That's absolutely adorable. I just don't know where to begin.

So, just to be clear: You're attempting to say that because you declare yourself a wild pokemon, we must all believe you? Congratulations on just making the easiest roleclaim of your life. You've effectively just claimed vanilla townie.
Additionally, you seem way too excited, here. Almost as if you've caught out Fircoal on a lie. Your "proof" that he just made a contradiction lies in your declaring your role...after you've already effectively claimed that on multiple occasions?

Anyway, finally back on a computer, so I'll try to post something substantial, shortly. Thanks, though, Wing...I really needed a laugh.

[The Weird One]

If people keep splitting votes like this, the day will never end... TWO, you know this... It looks really suspicious when there are three people with four votes already, and then you launch this crap out of the blue... Seems like you are protecting someone... Like Fircoal.

-Vote for chu and get called out for hopping on a bandwagon withou full justification. I could have waited until I had time to pen down my reasons for a chu vote, but then I would be bringing up an even older point on skittles.

Well when a few od us think you Fircoal and Skoffin are playing together, this logic hardly applies. Context is everything.

Eh? What logic is it that isn't applying? The getting called out for hopping on a bandwagon without full justification bit? Ok...well, I'll take you through the process step by step, since you seem to need it. I vote for Fircoal after making my post about skittles [Regardless of my voting in that post, I was wanting to bring up the skittles post because I feel it's scummy, and it went completely under the radar.] Well, after voting for Fircoal in a post unrelated to him, someone will point out the lack of reasoning. Then someone will bring up the earlier suspicion that we were scumbuddies. At that point, someone gets cornered into a roleclaim of wild pokemon, and then lynched when nobody believes them...
Or maybe you're meaning I could have waited to pen down my reasons for a Fircoal vote...well, as said, the skittles point would still be there. Getting enough of those reasons together to feel I had a good enough case to drop on the table would have taken more time than I had at that juncture, and probably more time than I would have had until now. Having no clue if today would be a one page day, a five page day, or somewhere in between, I wanted to make the point with skittles before more time passed.


Honestly, looking at the post that started the present Fircoal wagon, I'm not really sure I see anything behind it...Any feelings of scumminess I picked up off of him came from various posts over the earlier portions of the day, and it wasn't any single thing that jumped out at me. Nag does follow it up with a bit more substance, but I'm still not sure it merits a vote for the reasons stated...yes, he was a bit indecisive, but that seemed to come more from his posts being rambling trains of thought than concise points. Lack of participation in the flavour spec doesn't really mean anything one way or another. What do you mean by "question marks over wild pokemon"? That said, I don't really expect this to sway any opinions...just clarifying why my vote isn't diving on the wagon. I'm not fond of a rushed lynch for reasons that are lacking of substance...



Pssst, Wing, this is the part where you jump up and declare to the world that I'm defending Fircoal, thereby proving your earlier theories -sorry, not theories, stated facts- to be true.



That's honestly about the extent of substance that I've got, for now....Still wanting a response from skittles, and, as for the mitch case, I'm really torn between him not understanding how to contribute to the game, or just being the most overt scum I've encountered....

[HotShot53]

I'm not really seeing the case on Fircoal either... and what was the "hook line and sinker" he swallowed? Maybe wing needs to just slow down a bit and explain to us stupid people who aren't following him.

I also find Skittles' role fishing a bit scummy... any scum are only going to (or already have) claim(ed) wild pokemon, and since they have the role PM and no-one can claim their exact pokemon for fear of getting killed at night, it's basically impossible to separate their claims from the real ones. So the only thing asking the unclaimed will result in is maybe separating out some trainers, assuming they don't all claim wild pokemon too. Since I don't see any other day 1 cases better than this right now, I will unvote, vote skittles

[Skittles!]

Not sure why I'm on this list when most people seem to have me down in a role already.

Yes, many people agree with what role you've soft claimed, however it was a list of people who haven't claimed wild Pokemon. Of course, out of all the people that have claimed wild pokemon, there's a chance that a few of them are lying.

A quick post from phone before work...

That is true, there is a difference. Just because that's all there is on Nark does not mean we need to settle on him, there have been so many leads that have actually just been a dead end this whole day. While we should lynch someone really soon, I still there can be information found from other players that have not been giving much input. Going on this, here is a list of people who haven't yet claimed being a pokemon (from what I remember) :

Fircoal
Skoffin
Marashu
newguy
nagerous
Hotshot
Ragian(?)
MM
TWO
exile
Talapus
Serbia

This stands out to me as far more suspect than either the chu or nark cases, at present. You list off the players who haven't yet claimed and are asking us to just pass out our role information. How do you know you can trust the wild pokemon claims already recieved? What's stopping everyone on this list from announcing that they are wild and don' t want to give name because types are a thing? You're fishing for information quite blatantly. Vote Skittles. I'll try for something of more substance after work...

I wasn't explicitly trying to get you to role claim, nor would I want you to. As I mentioned just above, of course not all people who have claimed pokemon will be that role. Trust me, I'm sure there are scum in the people who have claimed to be pokemon and are just trying to clear their name on the first day. I was just trying to get a bit more focus on those we, as pokemon, are unsure about, and who on that list is the most scummy to try and find connections between those people. As I've also said pages ago, I honestly don't care if a pokemon gets lynched today because it's not in my win condition that those Pokemon need to live. I am just trying to find the mafia of the game, and only three people so far have had an issue with the non-pokemon list of people. If I were scum I wouldn't have so blatantly made a list for people to use against me - just like how I used Wing's list against him.

Lynching a possible trainer makes sense because of their recruiting abilities. That is why I didn't get dakky's vote on mitch because he seems to think mitch has been captured. Why lynch the pokemon when you have a chance at hitting their recruiter?

While I agree it would be better to lynch a Team Rocket trainer, if Mitch was captured by them, it's better to lynch him than risk mislynching town.
Is it better to fight 2 Team Rocket pokemons tomorrow or one? Or have a "chance" of 1:24 to hit a TR trainer?
I don't get why is simple math so complicated. Unless you are paired with Mitch... that would make sense.

Lynching Mitch can also be a risk to mislynch town, but at least it's a case.

You are super into getting Mitch lynched, and I'm trying to 100% understand why. Did he, by chance, claim you? Which case make's Mitchs claim redundant but I'm not sold on that yet. While I would prefer to get rid of Mitch out on anyone right now because, in my eyes, he contributes the least after those that need prodding.

To answer all of you in a single rhetoric question: If I was claimed by TR, why would I go ahead and claim I am claimed by a trainer?

I know who my trainer is (one of you knows as well) and I know I am still "town" so claiming while unnecessary and without pressure (I had a vote or two on myself) was productive to generate more talk.

FP'd by 1ex

TR are trainers (in the anime at least), but until someone from Team Rocket actually comes out and says they can claim pokemon, no one can counter claim what you say.

The bolded part is very very very interesting to me. Why put that in brackets unless you want to make others, like those that claimed you or are paired up with you, uncomfortable? Did the trainer that claimed you already have a Pokemon with them? This slid UTR imo.

As for the case against Fircoal - I'm not 100% convinced that he is scum, but he is a great player so can easily deflect suggestions that he is away from him. Great at defending his actions too, which can be seen from the last few pages. The only way I can see Fircoal being scum though is if he is working with the following - Skoffin, Talapus, Hotshot. Two of those I know are great players as well, Hotshot I have no idea. They know how to work people, know how to respond, how to appear helpful (like Fircoal has). I just don't want to lose people yet who have contributed to the game a lot.

On that end note, I'm going to unvote (Idk if I need to but whatever) and vote Mitch. I just think we have hit a brick wall with info and won't find anything else out until the next day, so I am going to go for Mitch.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Almost as if you've caught out Fircoal on a lie. Your "proof" that he just made a contradiction lies in your declaring your role...

Fircoal hasnt lied here, he admitted something he didnt want to.

There are two types of players in this game. Wild pokemon and not wild pokemon. He admitted to being in the lat group.

If you arent with me, you are against me.

[Fircoal]

Almost as if you've caught out Fircoal on a lie. Your "proof" that he just made a contradiction lies in your declaring your role...

Fircoal hasnt lied here, he admitted something he didnt want to.

There are two types of players in this game. Wild pokemon and not wild pokemon. He admitted to being in the lat group.

If you arent with me, you are against me.

Except I never admitted to anything.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Almost as if you've caught out Fircoal on a lie. Your "proof" that he just made a contradiction lies in your declaring your role...

Fircoal hasnt lied here, he admitted something he didnt want to.

There are two types of players in this game. Wild pokemon and not wild pokemon. He admitted to being in the lat group.

If you arent with me, you are against me.

Except I never admitted to anything.

Repeating false statements is not beneficial to town. You said that.

Let others judge.

[mandalorian2298]

Vote count:

Tim (1) - Mets

Minister Masket (1)- Talapus,

BuJaber (1) - Aage (as spurgistan)

Mitch (6) - legionnare, Samlen, Yoshi, Dakky, , Fircoal, Skittles

Talapus (1) - Skoffin

Anark (3) - Kwanton, Strike, Exile

Dakky (1) - Masket,

Marashu (2) - BuJaber, new guy

Fircoal (6) - Wing, Tim, Anark, Nagerous, Mitch, Serbia

Skittles (2) - TWO, Hotshot

26 alive, 14 to lynch

Dakky, there will be no deadline. I wouldn't interfere with the game like that.

[Metsfanmax]

unvote

I've narrowed down my lynch targets to a couple folks, I'll make my decision shortly.

[BuJaber]

I don't particularly like either case (mitch & fircoal), and in my opinion the case on mitch seems scummier. It feels like a bunch of players who are too lazy to go looking for a real case, and/or want to quickly lynch an easy target who is more likely to be town. Within the craziness of his posts there are clues that suggest he's a wild pokemon. Yes, he might have been recruited, he may be a really clever scum (obviously not if all of you are calling him out), but voting for mitch for day 1 lynch is definitely not the best target out there. His contributions aren't helpful to town? Well it's a whole lot better than no posts at all.

Seems like people won't vote for Marashu until he's replaced or whatever... So Unvote

didnt quote i paraphrased nut like i said i commited suacide hope yallnhappy least yall know moe then yah woulda had u just killed me

For some reason I believe you... I may be drunk now but my meta on you says you're telling the truth. I can be wrong but... but... but... you scream to me as a town. Or a wild pokemon. Or whatever.

I'm still with mitch and I don't intend to change the vote soon.

This is the danger of drunk posting, you can slip up if not careful. You're basically saying here that you believe him but you don't really know if true or not. He pretty much wrote out his role PM and his win condition so if you were on the side against team rocket you should have known instantly if it was similar to yours or not, rather than choosing to believe him at that particular instance.

Anarks posts contain something that he can only know as town.

I'm wondering how do YOU know it is town vs. scum?

Maybe he saw the part of his win condition that told him that the goal was to ensure that a certain group of villains do not win. Now even if there is a survivor element to the win condition too I still call this a pro-town win condition. The fact that you question this suggests to me that you do not know it is town vs scum ergo are not on the side of the town.

Now I was going back through Nag's posts to see if he's scum, and honestly I can't be sure either way. But I did find this gem and the bold part in particular, along with the fact that dakky has voted for mitch, plus the reasons and quotes I had in my recent big post about him makes me Vote dakky.

[nagerous]

Laying my cards on the table here, I am not going to have time to check the game over the next four days because of a busy Christmas schedule or respond to any of Fircoal's omgus points attacking anyone aggressively who dared to accuse him in any shape or form (then following it up with another predictable bandwagon vote against Mitch)

Will try and check in sporadically but my internet time is going to severely limited until Monday

[Anarkistsdream]

People... There are only two people with 6 votes on them... Choose one or choose the other... Quit splitting the goddamn votes! If we are still on Day 1 at Christmas, I am asking to be replaced, because this is getting ridiculous.

And I want a prod on ANYONE who hasn't posted since Monday... That has been three days... If Skoffin can't find time to play- big surprise- then she needs to be replaced... I am sick of the same ten people contributing when we have more than twenty in the game.

[kwanton]

It may end up hurting us if we rush a lynch but nark has a point wabout the holidays coming up. Even the active people will post less often.

Good catch Bu/nag. If he was wild he wouldn't have attributed it to meta. Was his entire claim misinformation?

[madmitch]

Sorry I know I have not posted anything important but I believe everything important has been posted, I also know I will be called scum for posting this , I know I have a bad habit of switching votes but in all fairness the info out there at that time made me think I was doing the right thing. If you are looking for scum check the ones voting for me,I would half left my vote on Dakky but we need to get out of this day, it is taking to long and I have a lot of xmas shit to do ,so guys either vote for fircoal or me and lets get this day over with,

[Anarkistsdream]

And here begins the lull in posting.................

[Fircoal]

Laying my cards on the table here, I am not going to have time to check the game over the next four days because of a busy Christmas schedule or respond to any of Fircoal's omgus points attacking anyone aggressively who dared to accuse him in any shape or form (then following it up with another predictable bandwagon vote against Mitch)

Will try and check in sporadically but my internet time is going to severely limited until Monday

I imagine you're busy so I don't know if you actually read my post or not. However it certainly was much more than an omgus. I attacked you because you were bandwagoning without much rationale. Following the group just like you blamed me of doing.

Furthermore, I'm not sure how I can be seen as bandwagoning Mitch when I started the whole case against him. Sure I poked around at other targets too but it's not like all my logic from before disappears.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Furthermore, I'm not sure how I can be seen as bandwagoning Mitch when I started the whole case against him.

Why are you the fifth vote in him then? Are you claiming that you made a case that you previously werent happy to be associated with? Have things changed because of the pressure you are under?

[Fircoal]

Furthermore, I'm not sure how I can be seen as bandwagoning Mitch when I started the whole case against him.

Why are you the fifth vote in him then? Are you claiming that you made a case that you previously werent happy to be associated with? Have things changed because of the pressure you are under?

No. I have consistently stated that I find Mitch to be scummy. However I also found other people who I found scummy (or found scummy at the time) and have voted them. Just because I switch my vote around does not mean that I don't find the previous people I voted for scummy. (Nor does it mean I still find them scummy for that matter.)

[DoomYoshi]

I just don't even care anymore tbh. Masket or dakky needs to die, everything else is a side show.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Furthermore, I'm not sure how I can be seen as bandwagoning Mitch when I started the whole case against him.

Why are you the fifth vote in him then? Are you claiming that you made a case that you previously werent happy to be associated with? Have things changed because of the pressure you are under?

No. I have consistently stated that I find Mitch to be scummy. However I also found other people who I found scummy (or found scummy at the time) and have voted them. Just because I switch my vote around does not mean that I don't find the previous people I voted for scummy. (Nor does it mean I still find them scummy for that matter.)

How many bandwagons are you claiming to have started here?

[madmitch]

Furthermore, I'm not sure how I can be seen as bandwagoning Mitch when I started the whole case against him.

Why are you the fifth vote in him then? Are you claiming that you made a case that you previously werent happy to be associated with? Have things changed because of the pressure you are under?

No. I have consistently stated that I find Mitch to be scummy. However I also found other people who I found scummy (or found scummy at the time) and have voted them. Just because I switch my vote around does not mean that I don't find the previous people I voted for scummy. (Nor does it mean I still find them scummy for that matter.)

How come you can switch your votes and it is okay? but when I do it I am jumping on the band wagon and I am called scummy?

[Skoffin]

I think we should all calm down and cease being dickbag and antagonising people out of the game,

Is this what you plan to do throughout the game? Pls, don't be such a vagina.

...............

I'll mention it now since I will probably use it again some say, vagina is basically saying "ugh what a girl". I don't consider it particularly offensive, it's generally used as a joke insult due to how ridiculous it says.
But y'know he called someone a cunt, so I'm sure he can take it.

Well it would seem trainers are not limited to night activity in that case, and more wild pokemon will likely be nabbed soon. Good thing a whole bunch of people revealed themselves eh

A, You are Wild Pokemon, you wouldnt find this funny.
B, You are town trainer, you wouldnt be surprised
C, you are team rocket. Well this makes sense.

Can you seriously not detect sarcasm? I even added an eye rolling emoticon to make it obvious that I wasn't pleased with the situation. Or did you just ignore that to suit constructing your opinions out of nothing?

:|

There are those of us who were trainer hunting from the beginning, me included... That is why I have not posted since Friday... Because these other arguments have been ridiculous until mets decided he should be a complete cunt.

So you are saying because no one was talking about what you wanted to talk about, instead of trying to force your input on in anyway, you decided to be weaksauce and just walk off for a few days? Is this what you plan to do throughout the game? Pls, don't be such a vagina.

This coming from a person who MAYBE posts once a day? At least I admit to it... And I still keep up with th thread... Wow, another hypocrite. Put more into the game if you think you deserve to be up on that soapbox..

You serious? Mate, by that point we were very close in post count here - difference being a good third of your own were about a sentence long or consisted of old man angry at the kids on his lawn. Regardless, 'hypocrite' doesn't come into play unless I was accusing you of not posting enough - which I didn't - I specifically commented on your reasoning of "I'm not gonna play because we're on a topic I don't like".

And I want a prod on ANYONE who hasn't posted since Monday... That has been three days... If Skoffin can't find time to play- big surprise- then she needs to be replaced... I am sick of the same ten people contributing when we have more than twenty in the game.

Despite the fact tat I have still contributed more than a fair number of players, I'm the only one worth mentioning . Ok dude I've already mentioned to the mod my circumstances to the mod over the last few days and that if would prefer to replace me than I would understand and respect that. He chose not to, so I'll be back in business for now. Cheerup lad.

Now, the likely case is that trainers did not already have a pokemon in their role PM. They had to choose one from a list during night 0 as their starter. Which brings me to my next very important point: There will be no viable false claims in this game. Since the trainers got to choose from a list of wild pokemon, they know exactly which wild pokemon are in this game. If you false claim, you will either get counter claimed or a trainer will know you're lying.

This is an interesting theory and would come quite in handy. Although, that would create some mighty balance issues for the game and I doubt Mandy would not have considered that. So there may be something else about it that would make it ineffective as a basis. But it's something we'll find out later when/if a trainer reveals it.

I'm also not keen on the no lynch idea. It will enable night 1 to come quicker meaning we will lose a whole heap of people (for those Pokemon who have not come out yet) or that trainers will be able recruit a lot more Pokemon, if that's how the mechanics work. Right now we know the majority of people are wild Pokemon, and we should just eliminate the list from there (yes, I am advocating for Wing's list). However as it's super easy to claim wild Pokemon now because it's been the centre of the discussion for pages on how this role works, anyone can claim.

Going on this, here is a list of people who haven't yet claimed being a pokemon (from what I remember) :

Fircoal
Skoffin
Marashu
newguy
nagerous
Hotshot
Ragian(?)
MM
TWO
exile
Talapus
Serbia

It's from this list that I think we should get more information from them in regards to how they fit into this.

Mate, on what hand you seem to acknowledge a bunch of people are likely dead due to all the claims and now you seem to be role fishing? Honestly I don't think anyone else should claim unless they are going to be lynched. We have no idea who is going to be targeting us at night and it's better to keep them in the dark on how effective they might be. I've worked pretty hard to make it ambiguous at what my role might be so that no one knows whether I'm trainer or a pokemon and whether they can attack/capture me or not, and that's how I'll be keeping it for now.



AW SHHEET I'VE BEEN SKIMMING : I've only read up to about page 32, and quickly skimmed over the rest. I'll be doing a follow up on that content later.
Though I see wing is still accusing me of buddying because ERMAGAWD I rightly pointed out Chu's meta. Mate, literally ask any old timer about Chu's meta and you will confirm I am correct.

I'd still like to hear Talapus' response to what I asked him earlier. It's clear no one is going to lynch him though so I will have to change tact for now, but I will keep bringing it up until I get a response.
And I believe that the best chance of finding scum in amongst those that essentially claimed wild pokemon prior to Mandy revealing info about TR having that info. Prior to that point, anyone who hinted at the role of wild pokemon were essentially being cleared as townies - using that info to 'clear' themselves would have been a good strategy for scum as no one knew that they already hadthe wild pokemon WCs. So for now I'll be FOSing all those that were using wild pokemon info to get on the townie lists before Mandy posted. I'll be going back over their posts before and after that point to see how their behaviour might have changed. Buj was one of my top suspects before, but he has since changed my opinion of him so he's back in the uncertain pile for now.

Wing has been incredibly obnoxious, however I get town vibes from him - He'd have to be an incredibly bold scum to pull that off. So my town lsit so far is him, nag and masket.

[new guy1]

Sorry for the lack of posting. I’ve been getting a lot of work in the recent days, and will be busy for at least the next week or so, though I will be trying to post more than the past couple of days. To answer Fircoal, who said something about my post seeming a little neutral. I thought I made it clear that my vote was staying off people because I was neutral on all of the cases of the day, and I thought I made it clear my vote was to get an inactive to post, but I will unvote due to Marashu being replaced. I agree that the day has to end. I don’t find either player with six votes scummy, but I can agree that the trainer theory that says they may involve a cult mechanic may be a thing. The theory is enough to put my vote over to someone who has claimed a trainer, Fircoal. I don’t like voting just to end the day because it can look scummy, but I agree that it is necessary unless we want day one lasting till past the New Year due to lack of posting. I can’t decide between the two cases, this is the factor that will push me to one side. Vote Fircoal

[Fircoal]

Sorry for the lack of posting. I’ve been getting a lot of work in the recent days, and will be busy for at least the next week or so, though I will be trying to post more than the past couple of days. To answer Fircoal, who said something about my post seeming a little neutral. I thought I made it clear that my vote was staying off people because I was neutral on all of the cases of the day, and I thought I made it clear my vote was to get an inactive to post, but I will unvote due to Marashu being replaced. I agree that the day has to end. I don’t find either player with six votes scummy, but I can agree that the trainer theory that says they may involve a cult mechanic may be a thing. The theory is enough to put my vote over to someone who has claimed a trainer, Fircoal. I don’t like voting just to end the day because it can look scummy, but I agree that it is necessary unless we want day one lasting till past the New Year due to lack of posting. I can’t decide between the two cases, this is the factor that will push me to one side. Vote Fircoal

Except I never claimed I was a trainer. Way to skim.

[mandalorian2298]

Vote count:

Minister Masket (1)- Talapus,

BuJaber (1) - Aage (as spurgistan)

Mitch (6) - legionnare, Samlen, Yoshi, Dakky, , Fircoal, Skittles

Talapus (1) - Skoffin

Anark (3) - Kwanton, Strike, Exile

Dakky (2) - Masket, BuJaber

Fircoal (7) - Wing, Tim, Anark, Nagerous, Mitch, Serbia, new guy

Skittles (2) - TWO, Hotshot

26 alive, 14 to lynch

Darn it people, you need to post more! If little Narky starts crying in his big pillow in the corner again because of your lack of posts, there will be Hell to pay!

Also, still looking for Marashu's sub.