Once Upon A Killer Mafia (14/17) A Writers Block:Endgame

[StorrZerg]

ebwop

FOS Storr for not showing the information when it was a matter of ctrl+c and ctrl+v...
This push on hotshot is getting unnerving.

I advise you all not to vote hotshot until storr comes out and gives his explanation.

I agree with this statement, in regards to you, its a matter of you , just reading. whats all ready been provided. its not like i don't have anything, its not like i haven't made a case.
if you want to talk specifics, on how you don't understand something thats fine, but i have clearly made case, and have been arguing it with hotshot.

[StorrZerg]

On who Ultra should shoot, it should not be mtam (I don't know if that was still being thrown around) It shouldn't be me either

They are both shots, which shouldn't "kill" so no, logically they make sense since you can avoid it, and mtamb should die in process of reviving someone. Since you disagree, you might as well explain, other wise it looks like you are trying to avoid being shot, because you have hidden motives. (or you have lied about something)

Why do you keep ignoring what I say about shooting mtam? If he gets shot before reviving someone, we just lost a confirmed town. So I would not recommend shooting mtam, and personally I think suggesting shooting him "because he'd die anyway" is scummy when you don't know which happens first. I think he's telling the truth as to what he does, as the way he's playing isn't how he plays as scum or town, he just seems disinterested, which would make sense if he expects to die night 1 or 2 anyway. As for DD not getting shot... either he's scum, or I guess tonight isn't a night he can commute... not sure which is the case, I'm still a coin flip on him.

Because you are arguing over a point that only mtamb can confirm. Thus, there is no point in me bickering about it when i've stated my opinion on the matter.

He claims he would die when he uses his power. Thus a bullet doesn't stop his death. since he is all ready dead. If a bullet would stop his revival of someone, it would state it in his power imo, letting the user know clearly how their ability worked. Even if it didn't, i'm sure he would ask the mod about his power, and get a confirmation.

[dd515087]

It shouldn't be me either

We got confirmed mafia guys!

Assuming his claim were true he would just commute leaving no reason to not shoot him.

Damn man, you really have it out for me... Where does this even hint at a mafia? Like say I am mafia... (which I'm not just in case you try and make this another dumbass point in your already terrible case against me) HOW THE F**K DOES THAT POINT MAFIA? No one wants to get shot in the night, townies or mafia. You are literally the most frustrating player I've ever played with. I do not get why you keep tunneling me. Don't worry though later on in this post I will reveal all.

Kind of tame reasoning for a vote on Storr

Also, where is TFOs post?

1. And your reasoning for voting HotShot was.... Oh right Storr told you to. "Sit. Now stay. Good sheep."
2. I'm going to paraphrase from something that I was told in a mafia game before (may have even been earlier this game): "It's easier to tell who's goodie because they don't know anything. Their opinion is always changing. A baddie knows who is a goodie and who isn't, and therefore it's harder for them to change their opinions on who should be lynched. Baddies tend to go after one person for a long time."

Now I agree, it is not the greatest reason in the world for voting someone, but I'm doing it for pressure (like I said when I did it). When someone defends themselves you can get a good view of whether or not they are town.

hey, how about you push hotshot, till something happens, then re look aog after he has time to do something. your push on aog isn't accomplishing anything right now, so at least work with me so something can be accomplished.

If you notice, your push on me isn't accomplishing anything either, the only person to agree with you is AoG 2.0, who some people (including you) think could be scum. So it might be time to drop the case so I can spend my time finding scum instead of repeating myself for the 5th time. (I couldn't scum hunt earlier this day, or else you'd just accuse me of "distracting" your case on me... I think your case is about finished now though, so I'll be looking for scum tomorrow)

Can you tell me your thoughts on Storr? Like you don't have to go through his 2000 posts or anything, I'd just like a quick overview to see if the scum vibes I'm getting from him have any merit

On who Ultra should shoot, it should not be mtam (I don't know if that was still being thrown around) It shouldn't be me either

They are both shots, which shouldn't "kill" so no, logically they make sense since you can avoid it, and mtamb should die in process of reviving someone. Since you disagree, you might as well explain, other wise it looks like you are trying to avoid being shot, because you have hidden motives. (or you have lied about something)

Why do you keep ignoring what I say about shooting mtam? If he gets shot before reviving someone, we just lost a confirmed town. So I would not recommend shooting mtam, and personally I think suggesting shooting him "because he'd die anyway" is scummy when you don't know which happens first. I think he's telling the truth as to what he does, as the way he's playing isn't how he plays as scum or town, he just seems disinterested, which would make sense if he expects to die night 1 or 2 anyway. As for DD not getting shot... either he's scum, or I guess tonight isn't a night he can commute... not sure which is the case, I'm still a coin flip on him.

EITHER WAY MTAM DIES. DONT WASTE A SHOT ON HIM IF IT MAY INTERRUPT HIS POWER. Mtam is 99% likely a townie who is probably just pissed about his role and knows he is gonna die sooner or later so would rather just bow out. Mtam is not a logical shot target. Can we all agree on that?
Also @Ultra do you have to use your shots tonight or can you decide not to?
As for targeting me, shoot me or don't. If you do, don't shoot mtam and let him revive me. My power is limited. I CAN COMMUTE EVERY OTHER NIGHT. AKA the definition of a commuter http://brianlance.net/mscumB.swf <----click on that link and go to "protective" for roles. That should clear up any confusion about why you shouldn't shoot me tonight. DAMN PEOPLE. My role is almost useless now

[crasp]

sorry, was busy the last few days.


anywho, one thing that jumped out to me, at least on this page, was ultra. I know he's probably town because virus, his lover, ended up town, but I find it funny that D1 he advocates for a no lynch because he doesn't want to kill any townies by accident yet today, now that he has 2 shots, is prepared to go all gangbusters when honestly I feel like it's hard to be so much more confident in your reads than they were in D1.

As per the whole Storr/hotshot spat, I'm leaning Storr is town and hotshot scum. I thought Storr's best point was how hotshot had pegged 7 people as scum at one point or another yet had 0 town reads. Just seems like an odd play, always trying to find scum and not town.

one thing that's been on my mind is a class of players who seem to have been laying low so far this game and it's been confirmed by searching a post count:
Streaker - 30 posts
Hotshot - 22
Whatsausage - 24
crasp - 33
TFO - 14 (granted, he was a replacement, but there has been a lot of silence from him otherwise)

I know quantity isn't everything but it seems like these 4 have been riding under the radar D1. Most of the other players have something like 50+ posts while also adding a lot to the conversation. And I know there are two other with low post counts (pcm and aage...both with 20 something posts) but I thought they had more content in their posts than those 5.

I'm gonna vote hotshot. I agree with Storr's argument on him, he's been relatively quiet up until pressure started being put on him and was the last two jump on the wagon to lynch me.

@ AOG Are you seriously trying to deflect attention by going down the amount and quality of post line. Its already been noted your feeble attempts to turn one post into four with you single sentence post before you resurrection. And on your rebirth.

WELL HELLO SCUMBAGS

Followed by

so looks right I was right about virus being town, so another "f*ck you" to everyone that lynched me in my previous life

then

so looks right I was right about virus being town, so another "f*ck you" to everyone that lynched me in my previous life

so thoughts on dd5?

since we know day 1 had 2 main town lynches, of ultra/virus and aog #1.

and what about tambo, who lead the lynch on you aog??

my thoughts on dd are pretty much the same, I think one of the lover pairs are scum and virus being town pretty much shows that ultra is town. I think Zivel is more town than dd so I would probably vote with dd again.

mtam definitely lead the lynch. He had like 5 separate posts of "let's just kill AoG" and shit like that. Can't tell if he's scum or just an idiot. But he did prove, yet again, that he is just skimming.

Split with

so looks right I was right about virus being town, so another "f*ck you" to everyone that lynched me in my previous life

so thoughts on dd5?

since we know day 1 had 2 main town lynches, of ultra/virus and aog #1.

and what about tambo, who lead the lynch on you aog??

my thoughts on dd are pretty much the same, I think one of the lover pairs are scum and virus being town pretty much shows that ultra is town. I think Zivel is more town than dd so I would probably vote with dd again.

mtam definitely lead the lynch. He had like 5 separate posts of "let's just kill AoG" and shit like that. Can't tell if he's scum or just an idiot. But he did prove, yet again, that he is just skimming.

Split with

this is the post where I thought mtam would be a vig

IF DD is lynched I am using my ability to kill myself this lynch is an absolute travesty.

FPD twice

@hotshot

Who gives a shit about the actual story thats a stretch at the very least that people are going on to get DD lynched. The story for opening scenes and closing scenes will be mroe important than the actual back stories IMO.

if you're not a vig, then what are you?

All because Ultra rumbled you with that vote. Even Streaker did better than that. And then we have another scummy vote slipped in on the Hotshot bandwagon. I didn't vote you last time because i didn't think there was enough on you but not this time.
Vote AOG

[Army of GOD]

Cmon crasp, if you're gonna vote me for not writing much content, at least post more content other than "you're not writing much".


Also, I love it. D1 people vote for me with one line reasons and no one bats an eye, I write a well thought out post which happens to agree with Storr and all of a sudden I'm the scummiest person in the game again. Seriously, my previous incarnation was a confirmed townie yet I'm the only one who's suspicious of the people who jumped on my wagon?

Also, and I can't stress this enough, how come everyone is just pushing aside mtam's stupidity from the last few pages? He proved he has just skimmed and has literally added nothing to the conversation. He has just been barking over his obsession about lynching me but its gonna be funny when I die and flip town.

This is what scum say every time. I do it when I'm scum to. The thing is it wouldn't be funny if you flip town, it would be bad for us. Also, I'm not going to let myself get lynched because I didn't cast a vote
Vote AoG

Well, since it looks like the vote is between AoG and DD, with ultra in a relatively distant third, as I said before I would rather an AoG lynch than a DD lynch, so I will unvote, vote AoG

These were the last two votes on me...yeah, a ton of content in these. Also crap, you were nowhere to be found during the last vote, so let's not get on the "you're not posting content" train

[Army of GOD]

Crap, not crap

[Army of GOD]

Crasp****** dammit I hate autocorrect

[TheForgivenOne]

Clearly outline your case on Hotshot in one post and I may well be convinced. As of right now Hotshot seems less scummy than AoG / dd / mtam.

i have, be useful and vote hotshot

You sound exactly like Mtam on D1 with his case on AoG with these type of posts.

Sorry about last night, I won't get into details, but I lost the post when I sat idle for too long and tried posting and it made me log in.

Anyways, here's what I had:

sorry, was busy the last few days.


anywho, one thing that jumped out to me, at least on this page, was ultra. I know he's probably town because virus, his lover, ended up town, but I find it funny that D1 he advocates for a no lynch because he doesn't want to kill any townies by accident yet today, now that he has 2 shots, is prepared to go all gangbusters when honestly I feel like it's hard to be so much more confident in your reads than they were in D1.

Granted he's a little gung ho on the idea (He's backed off it a bit as of yesterday), but according to him he HAS to use the shots. He kinda has to talk about them and tell us who he plans on shooting (Or us tell him who to shoot).

Because you are arguing over a point that only mtamb can confirm. Thus, there is no point in me bickering about it when i've stated my opinion on the matter.

He claims he would die when he uses his power. Thus a bullet doesn't stop his death. since he is all ready dead. If a bullet would stop his revival of someone, it would state it in his power imo, letting the user know clearly how their ability worked. Even if it didn't, i'm sure he would ask the mod about his power, and get a confirmation.

~Underlined part~ You have no proof that his action would occur first. I've seen games played where the mafia kill occurs before something like this.

~Bolded Part~ Did you not notice what WhatSausage had wrote? He asked the mod about the situation, and he received "It depends". So your point is useless. We asked the mod, we got the normal "Can't tell you" Response.

I have responses for your Hotshot pressure, but I don't have time atm (At work again) to mix and match quotes. So instead of a confusing post, i'll save it for later today when I'm off work. But honestly before you started on him today, none of his posts stuck with me. None of them.

@Ultra regarding my post count: I'm sorry, but this is the absolute max I can do with my work schedule. I am not on all day (Like most of you) and I'm not home most night till midnight. My posts are always going to be Content over a bunch of small posts.

Okay I gotta go for now. I'll make another post in a few hours.

[strike wolf]

Real quickly as I domt have too much time right now. My impression right now is that between Hotshot, Storr, DD and AoG there are likely two or maybe even three scum (I would not put it past Storr or Hotshot to fake an argument if they were both scum or that they are both scum but differently aligned but Im not betting on that possibility.) It is also quite possible that multiple scum are lying low right now. Anyways:

Storr-I had moderately strong scum vibes from him yesterday. They are a little less today but not as much. I did not like how he seemed to try to gauge town's readiness to lynch AoG again before he had even posted. On the other hand, his initial case on Hotshot seemed more like the Storr I was accustomed to but it has kind of perplexed me how he seems to have abandoned some of his stronger points on the case and pressed the weaker ones.

2. Hotshot-found him mildly scummy day 1 and that hasnt changed much today. I have liked most of his answers to Storr's case but there is some contrast to how active he was once pressure began than beforehand.

3. DD-His play overall has been better today, IMO, however I still am not overly fond of his claim or how it has been a bit piecemeal in how it was put together.

4. AoG-not much to go on at the beginning of the day. My only issue came from when he was still Nark and a slight case I had made early day 1. Today, his posts thus far have been more up and down.

If I had to vote right now I would probably vote either Storr or DD, now that DD is claiming that his commute would not work tonight.

@Ultra: it isnt just reads or lack thereof that was bugging me. If you sont pay closer attention to cases and realize why Storr and Hotshot bringing up Virus is relevant to the game than even as a near confirmed townie, I cant take your reads too seriously because they are not fully informed on the game as it stands.

[StorrZerg]

Yeah seriously. This is getting annoying.

I can't defend anything strike has just said, since everything he said is "vague and non specific"

I can't continue to pressure hotshot, because he doesn't talk about the points against hotshot, what he liked, what he didn't like. he doesn't continue driving discussion on that end.

Strike seems to have forgotten that i was pushing anark before he went inactive...


As for tfo. You can get around that, when it happens, log in on a different page, hit back you get an error page with try again or some shit, you try again and it should load with your post still there "right before you posted"

@tfo, your point about mtamb is null, mtamb has not responded to the issue, its his power, he gets the closest to the correct information.

hotshot pressure, fantastic i can't wait. And the fact that "none of his posts stuck with me. None of them." doesn't that strike you as odd... With how much he pushed for a lynch, how little impact he had on a lynch...

[TheForgivenOne]

As for tfo. You can get around that, when it happens, log in on a different page, hit back you get an error page with try again or some shit, you try again and it should load with your post still there "right before you posted"

@tfo, your point about mtamb is null, mtamb has not responded to the issue, its his power, he gets the closest to the correct information.

hotshot pressure, fantastic i can't wait. And the fact that "none of his posts stuck with me. None of them." doesn't that strike you as odd... With how much he pushed for a lynch, how little impact he had on a lynch...

Yeah, I was rushing out of the office to attend a conference last night, so I said bugger it, I knew I had more time today.

That was my point, I do find it odd (I'm going to address it when I respond in a couple hours).

[crasp]

Crasp****** dammit I hate autocorrect

Apart from storr you must be the funniest person on here. And original as well. Basically three posts to rip the piss out my name. definitely the content man and just proved my point.
You have nothing to say and were trying to hide away just like your predecessor until ultra spotted you. Then in you come with a load of crasp about people not posting, deflecting attention and crawling up storrs arse and voting hotshot. Keep up the good work, i am sure you will grow into a swan one day.

[UltrasPlot]

OK so we have two potential situations here with Storr and HotShot, since the case has like nothing to it:
1) Storr is cop or masoned to a cop and knows HotShot is mafia
2) Storr is mafia and trying to get us to mislynch without much content
3) These two cases determine whether or not AoG is scum.

AoG and Storr must be of the same orientation, therefore.
We lynch AoG 2.0. In case he flips town, I shoot HotShot and dd (your case is terrible). If he flips mafia, I shoot dd and Storr.

[StorrZerg]

Since you didn't bother to go back...

https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewt ... 5#p4584868


hotshot response

https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewt ... 5#p4585004

I responded
https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewt ... 5#p4585025

Stop making bad blanket statements. about a case which you have admitted to not reading.
So please, actually make comments about the points i make.

[Army of GOD]

Crasp****** dammit I hate autocorrect

Apart from storr you must be the funniest person on here. And original as well. Basically three posts to rip the piss out my name. definitely the content man and just proved my point.
You have nothing to say and were trying to hide away just like your predecessor until ultra spotted you. Then in you come with a load of crasp about people not posting, deflecting attention and crawling up storrs arse and voting hotshot. Keep up the good work, i am sure you will grow into a swan one day.

...and this is your second post in a row saying how my posts are contentless. Seriously, pot meet kettle. You're completely ignoring any other action that's going on right now.

And I'm trying to hide like my predecessor? Oh you mean THE ONE THAT WAS TOWN. Yeah; that really worked out last time, maybe you should lynch me again and lose another townie

[dd515087]

These were the last two votes on me...yeah, a ton of content in these. Also crap, you were nowhere to be found during the last vote, so let's not get on the "you're not posting content" train

You're absolutely right there wasn't a lot of content in that post. Because I already gave my scum reads on you earlier. If you want to go look at it, page 18 IIRC

3. DD-His play overall has been better today, IMO, however I still am not overly fond of his claim or how it has been a bit piecemeal in how it was put together.
...
If I had to vote right now I would probably vote either Storr or DD, now that DD is claiming that his commute would not work tonight.

Assume I am the exact role I say I am, commuter lover who can only commute every other night. Does it not make more sense to slowly reveal than just completely out my entire role at once? I didn't want to out everything (especially my limitation) because then mafia knows when to shoot at me. And I'm a logical target because I'm a lover.

OK so we have two potential situations here with Storr and HotShot, since the case has like nothing to it:
1) Storr is cop or masoned to a cop and knows HotShot is mafia
2) Storr is mafia and trying to get us to mislynch without much content
3) These two cases determine whether or not AoG is scum.

AoG and Storr must be of the same orientation, therefore.
We lynch AoG 2.0. In case he flips town, I shoot HotShot and dd (your case is terrible). If he flips mafia, I shoot dd and Storr.

OMGUS. That is literally all you have to say? "your case is terrible"? FFS just kill me now I can't deal with this shit any more. You have no points on me except that "my case is terrible".

[StorrZerg]

Please link what you are talking about dd5. page 18 is day one, and if its referring to "aog" that aog is dead... Your case on page 18 has to be dealing with anark, i glanced and didn't see what you are talking about. maybe i missed it...

[dd515087]

No it has nothing to do with Anark, AoG was saying that he shouldn't be seen as scummy because he gave ample reason to vote HotShot whereas I didn't give much reason to lynching him on D1 and that wasn't seen as scummy

[HotShot53]

hey, how about you push hotshot, till something happens, then re look aog after he has time to do something. your push on aog isn't accomplishing anything right now, so at least work with me so something can be accomplished.

If you notice, your push on me isn't accomplishing anything either, the only person to agree with you is AoG 2.0, who some people (including you) think could be scum. So it might be time to drop the case so I can spend my time finding scum instead of repeating myself for the 5th time. (I couldn't scum hunt earlier this day, or else you'd just accuse me of "distracting" your case on me... I think your case is about finished now though, so I'll be looking for scum tomorrow)

Can you tell me your thoughts on Storr? Like you don't have to go through his 2000 posts or anything, I'd just like a quick overview to see if the scum vibes I'm getting from him have any merit

I think that storr pushing for a virus lynch instead of ultra was scummy (and he says me pushing for ultra over virus was scummy). So I guess that's a difference of opinion, whether you think the safer route is better, or the swing for the fences or strike out way is better. (Of course scum would know it's a strike out, so they'd prefer that). I also think his continuing to advocate ultra to shoot mtam could be scummy, since it could kill a potential confirmed towny, and he ignored my caution on that numerous times. Thankfully, ultra seems to have gotten the message at least. As for his case on me, of course I think it is baseless, but I probably have some OMGUS feeling there so I'd have to let others judge that.

STORR, WHO ARE YOUR TOWN READS? (I figured it needed some emphasis, since he keeps ignoring this question, but seems to think my not giving town reads is important enough to try to lynch me over)

OK so we have two potential situations here with Storr and HotShot, since the case has like nothing to it:
1) Storr is cop or masoned to a cop and knows HotShot is mafia
2) Storr is mafia and trying to get us to mislynch without much content
3) These two cases determine whether or not AoG is scum.

AoG and Storr must be of the same orientation, therefore.
We lynch AoG 2.0. In case he flips town, I shoot HotShot and dd (your case is terrible). If he flips mafia, I shoot dd and Storr.

Since you agree storr's case has nothing to it, that could mean we are both town also, so you don't have to kill one of us. Of course I'd prefer you to shoot storr, since he could very well be scum, but I don't know that he's for sure the same orientation as AoG 2.0 (though he could be). All I know is your #1 scenario isn't true lol. I'm glad you've seen my reason to not shoot mtam at least

As for shooting DD, he could very well be telling the truth, since most commuters are something like every-other night. Or he could be lying, since his backstory claim doesn't seem to fit the theme everyone else has.


It's going to take me a while to go through everyone's posts and figure out who to build a case on... so I'll be back in a few hours with a case hopefully

[anamainiacks]

You have nothing to say and were trying to hide away just like your predecessor until ultra spotted you. Then in you come with a load of crasp about people not posting, deflecting attention and crawling up storrs arse and voting hotshot. Keep up the good work, i am sure you will grow into a swan one day.

...and this is your second post in a row saying how my posts are contentless. Seriously, pot meet kettle. You're completely ignoring any other action that's going on right now.

And I'm trying to hide like my predecessor? Oh you mean THE ONE THAT WAS TOWN. Yeah; that really worked out last time, maybe you should lynch me again and lose another townie

I'm pretty sure he's referring to the predecessor of the role you currently possess, i.e. anark.

I must say though, you handled pressure from yesterday's lynch a lot better than how you're handling a single vote from crasp now... You managed to remain level headed when the pressure was on you yesterday, still trying to look for scum leads. Now you're just acting emotionally and rashly. I don't see crasp as ignoring what's going on - just because there's a debate going on between 2 possible scum candidates doesn't mean he should remain quiet if he thinks someone else's actions look scummy. In fact your reaction has made you look slightly scummy again.

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OK so we have two potential situations here with Storr and HotShot, since the case has like nothing to it:
1) Storr is cop or masoned to a cop and knows HotShot is mafia
2) Storr is mafia and trying to get us to mislynch without much content
3) These two cases determine whether or not AoG is scum.

AoG and Storr must be of the same orientation, therefore.
We lynch AoG 2.0. In case he flips town, I shoot HotShot and dd (your case is terrible). If he flips mafia, I shoot dd and Storr.

I'm not understanding your logic of "AoG and Storr must be of the same orientation". Storr brought up an AoG 2.0 lynch at the start of the day, so I don't see why he'd do that if they were of the same alignment. Could you explain?

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And I know this is an unpopular opinion at this point, but I believe DD's claim. His behaviour and responses today give me a town vibe, and I did see the Odd-Night limitation to his Commuter claim coming when he explained why he didn't claim X-Shot Commuter.

It would also make sense why he never mentioned the limitation to his commute - an X-Shot Commuter would state the X-Shot factor in his claim, as the mafia still has to guess how many commutes he has, and when he'll commute; whereas an alternate day Commuter doesn't get to choose when he commutes, and claiming immediately to be an alternate day commuter gives mafia a 50/50 shot at getting him at night.

I just realised this would mean 3 town lover pairs though... which I'm still questioning, but still could be a possibility.

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As for Storr's case on HotShot, I wasn't too convinced by the case - I do agree with HotShot and his responses regarding his case on Ultra on D1 - both before and after the Lovers claim. (I still strongly disagree that a virus lynch would've been better than an ultra lynch for D1, even without knowing their alignments.)

I was really intrigued by what Storr brought up about HotShot not having made any town reads though.

HotShot responds to the said allegation by saying he did read Zivel as town. When Storr questions why HotShot didn't make mention of this, HotShot's response is:

I have commented and interjected on every case and discussion that has been made so far, much more than some others have done. I didn't defend zivel because there was no real case made on him, everyone agreed he was town, so there was no need to "defend" him.

Basically this means, "I didn't bother saying Zivel struck me as town because everyone had already said it." Which is fine, and is a valid reason. But this is inconsistent with HotShot's posting style. In his first defence to Storr's case, Storr criticises his posting style of repeating what has been stated, and HotShot says:

And I'm sorry that I'm not here posting all day long, so yes, most of the things I say will have already been said by others before I get there... but I feel it's better to confirm/disagree with the things said than just ignore them, right?

Yes, right indeed HotShot. So why didn't you do the same for your Zivel town sentiments?


I also found another inconsistency in his defence. He says:

I don't think anyone specifically asked for my opinion at all yesterday, but I gave it a few times on all of the pertinent issues of the day

But one of his posts earlier in D1 reads:

I saw somewhere a few pages back it was requested that I give more details on my Nark read... this was a very busy weekend for me, and I'm at work now, so I haven't had time to go back and find the posts, I will do that this evening.

Well needless to say, we never saw this come to light.

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Storr and HotShot both are giving me scum vibes, but at the way they're at each other's throats, they definitely can't both be scum. I'm interested to see where this goes.

[anamainiacks]

EBWOP: FP'ed by HotShot.

[UltrasPlot]

Storr brought up an AoG 2.0 lynch at the start of the day, so I don't see why he'd do that if they were of the same alignment. Could you explain?

He didn't even vote him... I fail to see how mafia wouldn't even post a single comment against another mafia, it would make them too obvious, no?

Since you didn't bother to go back...

https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewt ... 5#p4584868


hotshot response

https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewt ... 5#p4585004

I responded
https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewt ... 5#p4585025

I am not sold. At all. And why did this take you 36 hours?
[quote=AoG2.0]
And I'm trying to hide like my predecessor? Oh you mean THE ONE THAT WAS TOWN. Yeah; that really worked out last time, maybe you should lynch me again and lose another townie[/quote]
Your predecessor posted a lot more. I do not see any trace of your predecessor in this new AoG.
[quote=dd]Assume I am the exact role I say I am, commuter lover who can only commute every other night. Does it not make more sense to slowly reveal than just completely out my entire role at once? I didn't want to out everything (especially my limitation) because then mafia knows when to shoot at me. And I'm a logical target because I'm a lover.[/quote]
Mhm... I assume we have a doc for a reason...

Storr and Hotshot, I would like to see both of your town reads within 24 hours.

Will address dd situation in next post coming within hour.

[UltrasPlot]

Gonna be kind of scattered, sry.

vote: UltrasPlot What are you plotting with this no lynch nonsense Ultra? (bad pun intended)

lmfao what kind of logic is this, also 4th vote, a bit too far for pressure, yes?

So after we start a bandwagon on Ultra for voting No Lynch you go ahead and vote no lynch. Also, the mod changed it to 10 days. I'm not saying that not reading or just skimming over all the posts means you're scum, but it definitely doesn't give off a town vibe to me

Mhm, like mafia would take the risk... framing yet another townie (AoG1.0), means nothing whatsoever, also speaking of a bandwagon in a positive sense

8 pages of no post later... he comes back with jokes but no content. 2 more pages later...

I have never played a mafia game with this many long posts. Geez.
I'm sorry I have had a very busy schedule recently. Went through the most recent posts though.



Streaker wrote:



Zivel wrote:



UltrasPlot wrote:
Fck it, I'm fullclaiming. I am a Lover/Mason.

Gj forcing me to reveal myself, mafia.

I know Lover is a scum safeclaim but fakeclaiming doesn't help us here does it?

Hmmm I am a lover, and my partner and I are confirmed town. And no, you are not my partner....

Scum slip? Tell me why the hell would you pick lovers to fake claim in a group this large of non vanilla? Did you really think there would not be a pair of lovers to counter claim you?

Lol? Wel now this is interesting for sure. In my eyes, this just warrants an Ultra lynch even more.

Now I was willing to let go on Ultra (for today), and replace my vote on the second scum (imo) being Virus.

@PCM, I can understand you feeling i'm too agressive on Ultra, but don't accuse me of going for an 'easy' case. It's anything but easy as nobody is giving a crap to lynch him, while i'm trying to persuade everyone to lynch him.

With the situation as it is, I don't feel we can let go of Ultra's claim (and the counterclaim that followed). Would there be 2 pairs of lovers in this game? Unlikely, not impossible. Mafia would never counterclaim here (I think).
The only game that I have ever played with lovers is PYP and that was the result of Cupid's actions and it ended up being terrible for the town.
Also, if you believe it's unlikely that there are two pairs of lovers, it's more unlikely that there are 3... And no neither Ultra or Ziv is my lover. Ultra seems very scummy for claiming that he is a lover first. Ziv gets townie points for coming forward to counterclaim

lol gj claiming lover 3rd ytf would you do this

New thought: what if all of us who have claimed lovers are town and this is just an evil twist rishaed is throwing on us... We could all be screwed
I'm tired and going to bed, I have gone through almost everything. Here are some general reads:

1.Hotshot53- leaning town
2.Pancakemix - Neutral/ leaning town
3.mtamburini - town
4.Streaker - not sure about you yet, going to have to go back through all your posts
5.Virus90- scummy
6.aage - town
7.Storrzerg - was town at first, but the more I read the more scummy he seems... going to go back through
8.Ultrasplot - scummy
9.Zivel - leaning town
10.Whatsausage - scummy
11.Army of God - scummy
12.Anamainiacks - leaning town
13.Crasp - need to find more posts
14.dd515087 - charming, easy on the eyes, I would have his children
(14.dd515187 was town, dissapeared. he played more active last game and he was mafia there.)
^ streaker's read from a couple days ago - decided to include it because it was the only one on me that didn't say "he's scum for being inactive" IIRC
15.Anarkistsdream - Neutral, leaning scum
16.Strikewolf - probably the town mayor honestly
17.Crazymilkshake5 - uhh... I don't remember seeing anyone with this name

If anyone has comments or concerns or would like to know more, you can reach me on this forum (possibly )

any backup? also using your relative inactivity to 'clean' yourself, lol.

Yeah basically. I felt it necessary to claim because it was just the weirdest thing. I was ready to blow up Ultra with a counter claim, but Ziv had beat me to the punch and I just didn't know what to do.

you didn't know what to do so you risk an extra townie in the event that you die, .

I am, I am only allowed to talk to my lover at night though

Why the HECK would a moderator allow lover OC only at night? That doesn't help them at all... they can't even deliberate over lynch votes. I think he means the mafia qt lol.



Bonus:

you can use all the credits you want about history, but you need to explain your reads. Just simply stating "i have tenor and this guy is mafia" doesn't mean shit when we don't know your alignment.


Anarkistsdream

still doing nothing to contribute tot he game

Nvm about the Storr / AoG situation then.
Unvote.

Also FoS Streaker for pushing hard for a ultra lynch d1 before the lover issues.

[HotShot53]

Ok, since there are a lot of players, and I don't want to let anyone fall through the cracks, and have also been requested for town reads, I guess it's time for an infamous list.

1.Hotshot53 Town, obviously
2.Pancakemix - Had a fight with Storr day 1, in re-reading it, storr seemed to be grasping at straws as much as he was in my "case". I liked the way PCM was responding to things. Right now I am town-reading PCM, would like to hear more from him on day 2.
3.mtamburini - has been very disinterested in the game, a lot of skimming and mis-reading. Preemptively claimed being able to revive a dead town, which I can believer from his non-interested play, I would imagine a scum mtam would try harder. Would still be nice to hear more reads from him while he is alive though
4.Streaker - led the push on ultra, and to a lesser extent on virus. Turns out he was wrong, but re-reading his reasons and posts, they sound like they come more from a towny. I didn't like how storr tried to pit me against streaker based on a post I made 2 weeks ago before streaker had posted much, makes me have a better town feeling on streaker lol. (Also noticed streaker had been suspicious of storr...) I'd lean town.
5.Virus90 Yuuki Asuna Lover/Shield - Dead
6.aage - reading back, I agree with most of his posts, I would lean town for him
7.Storrzerg - Didn't like how he wanted to lynch virus over ultra day 1, or his recommending to shoot mtam today. After reading his pressure on PCM day 1, didn't like it any more than I liked his pressure on me today. Didn't like how he tried to pit streaker and me against each other. In my reading back, it's surprising how many people have FOS'd him for various reasons. I'd lean scum as of now, it's possible it's from OMGUS feeling, but there are enough other things he's done that I think I would be leaning scum outside of his case on me.
8.Ultrasplot - With virus' death, he is about as confirmed a town as we have now
9.Zivel - counterclaimed ultra's lover, and has made town sounding posts otherwise also. Obvious town read with DD's counter-counter claim indicating multiple lover pairs
10.Whatsausage - hasn't been very active, but the posts he has made seem to be more towny. Neutral to lean town
11.Army of God Katsuragi Mayuko Town Redirector - Dead
12.Anamainiacks - hasn't made too many posts, but the ones he has made are pretty long and seem substantive. I'd lean town
13.Crasp - has a lot of one-liner posts and posts with no info in them... tried to raise suspicion on ultra day 2 saying he might have been recruited. I'd go with neutral to leaning scum due to his lack of content
14.dd515087 - counter-counter claimed lover. Could have done it because he is a lover and thought it weird there were 3 sets, as he claims, or could have done it as a scum trying to get potential town cred for him and for a future claimed lover. Claimed role either doesn't fit the normal manga, or his backstory doesn't match the manga's backstory. Claimed he is a commuter, but only every-other night, and he is in town tonight, so he doesn't want to be shot by ultra. I'm a coin flip on him right now, I can see why he'd be town, and why he'd be scum. If ultra still plans to shoot him tonight, his lover might want to think about coming forward before day end to try to save him, or else both of them would die (assuming he is telling the truth that he's a town lover)
15.Anarkistsdream replaced by AoG 2.0 - Nark didn't post too much before disappearing early on day 1. Had a little spat with storr early on day 1, maybe scum trying to distance themselves from each other? Had a post saying "people know stuff, should come forward with it", seemed to be a little role fishing. AoG 2.0 tried to throw a little doubt on if ultra really is town, and then sheeped storr's vote on me. Is in a fight with crasp over which of them is posting less, the answer is neither is posting much. Not too much to go on, neutral to leaning scum.
16.Strikewolf - Has had pretty in-depth posts that seem town to me. Leaning town on him.
17.Crazymilkshake5 replaced by TFO - Has been pretty inactive, only one or two posts longer than a line, most of his posts are apologizing for not being more active/giving reasons why he wasn't around. "@Ultra regarding my post count: I'm sorry, but this is the absolute max I can do with my work schedule. I am not on all day (Like most of you) and I'm not home most night till midnight. My posts are always going to be Content over a bunch of small posts." Reading back I saw mostly small posts without comment, and not a ton of them either. Could be really busy, could be a scummarizer. From what I remember of his activity in other games, he is usually not very active. So I am neutral on him.


Well... that took a lot longer than I expected, reading back people's posts over 36 pages takes a lot of time lol. Came out with a lot more town reads than I expected, including some I expected to get a scum read on from just memory. So I didn't come up with too many scum reads... the main ones now are Storr, crasp & Nark/AoG 2.0, with neutral on DD and TFO. I was hoping to be able to find a good case on someone other than storr... but he is my main scum read at this point.

I will vote storr for the reasons I gave above.

[UltrasPlot]

Interesting. This is a rather large shift from before, and you now have rather few scum reads, instead of Storr's alleged 'no town reads.' Now, HotShot could be scum saving face, but this is useful info we should discuss. In comparison, I would like to hear your reads, Storr.

These combined would give us a good feeling of who to lynch today.