Re: (GON 3rd game)Town wins. Day 5

[TuffyLess]

Leg, Sirius, Tuffy, and Gabs have all given good evidence against Kill, but they haven't explained to my satisfaction why the hammer didn't drop on Sirius with so many confirmed Townies voting for him.

Fair enough but I have no idea.
Im a townie w/ a vote only - thats my claim for those who dont skim this.
There is no way for me to explain why except maybe of login times.?.

1- Kill is the only mafia who voted for me, the 2 others hesitated because they didn't wanted to be all 3 in the voting list for me. If they were all 3 in there voting for me, and then the town found out who I was, they would be figured out very quickly.

As pointed out by Sirius if Kill is mafia the other 2 would have hesitated putting themselves on the voting list that hung him. Once again this is assuming that Sirius is being truthful about his role.

@Mookie this is the best explanation for why the hammer didn't come down on Sirius.

and even if they wanted maybe they were not all there before i unvote and then did not see the oportunity

My point exactly.

And where the hell is Tuffy? That should tell you all something.

ugg ... of all the people I have to answer too:
I was out all weekend; im now catching up Sunday night.

I got your claim; ill try to fit it into context with further rereading tomorrow w/ time.
Like I said, our lists have added up together until recently even when you got defensive about my simple pointing out of your vote count.
Not only pointing out the latest news and my opinions about it, I put out what we know to be true.

basicly he is being really agressif and going at saying whoever is related to sirius a mafia right away and when tuffy said who was ok by the book so far he jumped on him for no real reasonit look like a mafia wanting to lynch the townie really fast to get tto the night now

i think we should pursue on kill

Im voting Kill ... its just too overwhelming for me.
He can claim that semi-powerrole of his if he wants, but Im betting there isnt another powerrole out there.

[TuffyLess]

Tuffy, you out there?

You had to have seen me browsing the forum ... put the rush on hold.

[mookiemcgee]

I am getting more and more disturbed by Gabs nonchalant attitude towards lynching townies. If I were to be lynched, I'm half tempted to take you down out of spite. You are not helping!

Moo, quit saying things like "My vote remains on Kill" like you are one of us. You are mafia and your vote means nothing. At this point, anything Legionairre says should be tossed out the window as well.

@ Mookie

If anyone has offered up good points on why I am suspicious, I have yet to see it. You have three days worth of my actions to go off of. I have aligned myself with assumed townies the entire time. I had every intention of honoring the immediate day 3 lynch of Sirius. Sad that most of you have let him talk you out of it.

And where the hell is Tuffy? That should tell you all something.

FP'd by Gabs and Mookie

well if you so wish to do so take me down with you and make townies lose one of their best power role all im saying i had you on my suspect list since a while but that agressiong of yours and some little thing you said make me stick my vote on you

SO.... Gab your a power roll also now?
So all the claims we have:
KE3 - Cop
Sirius - reviver
Kill day vig
Gab - ? but its a good one

Pkus two dead townie rolls(Bantam and TC)

That leaves:
Mook VT
Charm VT
Joak VT

NO Claim:
DB4
Tuffy
Legion

Gabs I feel like that claim came out of nowhere, Kill may have threatened you vs Tuffy but why out yourself at this point?
Fb by Tuffy

[mookiemcgee]

OK correction, Tuffy is also clearly claiming VT

[mookiemcgee]

Well I guess I dont understand why there is such opposition from Tuffy, Sirius, Gabs, leg on KE3 being the only reliably townie here? I cant believe you remain unconvinced hes the cop. If you do believe he is the cop, and that his information is reliable then why arent we sticking to the inital plan from d2? Just because Sirius had an excuse? An excuse any of the vets should have seen coming yesterday...

Is there a 3rd candidate we can go after to avoid the Sirius vs Kill disagreement?

[TuffyLess]

Well I guess I dont understand why there is such opposition from Tuffy, Sirius, Gabs, leg on KE3 being the only reliably townie here? I cant believe you remain unconvinced hes the cop.

No way ...

An additional thought:
We got some night info already.
KE3 - vouches for Mook and joak
Plus a SK and H8 as mafia ... this would make 5 people not townie and at that point, doesnt it begin to become an unbalanced game?
Point is ... makes me want to believe KE3.

No Mookie; dont get lost!

[Killuminati19]

OK correction, Tuffy is also clearly claiming VT

If by VT you mean Vengeful Townie, I can assure you Tuffy is no vengeful townie.

And Gabs, I can't recall hearing anything from you about your important night role.

@ Charm, if you are what you say you are, I would think that you would have my back more than you do. You were going to be lynched, it was a done deal. I pushed for a Justplay lynch because I believed you, and unlike Gabs, I don't care to lynch townies for the hell of it. I had no idea what Justplay was, I just saw him as much more suspicious. Turns out, I think we made the right call.

If I do the math correctly, I think I should be relatively safe from lynch as long as townies see me for what I am, and what I have shown to be over the course of 3 days. Gabs is either skimming, not paying attention, not what he says he is, or some combination of the three. If I do get lynched, I am leaning towards taking down Tuffy. I am not getting enough support from the town. Charm has not helped out, DB4 has a point about night actions, but I wish he would chime in more. If townie's allow me to be lynched I am content to let Moo continue to try to pull the wool over your eyes.

[mookiemcgee]

I meant Vanilla Townie....

[TuffyLess]

If I do the math correctly, I think I should be relatively safe from lynch as long as townies see me for what I am

I called for a claim from Killum and a townie w/ a daytime action is what we got in return.
Have you ever used this action yet?

[Gabsensei]

@ kill i did state why i am voting for you

@ tuffy i did kind of claimed in day 2 if you go reread so it was not out of the blue

[legionnare]

SO.... Gab your a power roll also now?
So all the claims we have:
KE3 - Cop
Sirius - reviver
Kill day vig
Gab - ? but its a good one

Pkus two dead townie rolls(Bantam and TC)

That leaves:
Mook VT
Charm VT
Joak VT

NO Claim:
DB4
Tuffy
Legion

Gabs I feel like that claim came out of nowhere, Kill may have threatened you vs Tuffy but why out yourself at this point?
Fb by Tuffy

2 points: I claimed regular Townie D1 and Gabs claimed Doc D2

[legionnare]

Also Kill seems to be claiming Vengeful Townie not Day Vigilante

[legionnare]

Well I guess I dont understand why there is such opposition from Tuffy, Sirius, Gabs, leg on KE3 being the only reliably townie here? I cant believe you remain unconvinced hes the cop. If you do believe he is the cop, and that his information is reliable then why arent we sticking to the inital plan from d2? Just because Sirius had an excuse? An excuse any of the vets should have seen coming yesterday...

Is there a 3rd candidate we can go after to avoid the Sirius vs Kill disagreement?

I'm not opposed to KE3 being town, I said as much at the start of the day that I believed him to be Town PR

[legionnare]

A further point; we are assuming KE3 is Town PR and his vouch for Joak and Mookie, assuming he is not Town PR puts him Joak and Mook as suspect,, I highly doubt that the Scum would take such a risk so I believe KE3's claim.

Here is the post Mookie

[legionnare]

I hope you do well with your power role because you are proving to be useless during the day. Once again, Tuffy, you out there?

Again this sort of attitude is not going to change anyone's mind that have voted on you. You are post aggressively and being defensive or plain dismissive of valid evidence brought forward by others, same as Jusplay, and we now that was because he was not aligned with the town.

[legionnare]

[quote="Killuminati19" At this point, anything Legionairre says should be tossed out the window as well.
[/quote]
Being so dismissive when more experienced players are seeing the value of my posts is further proof that you are throwing your toys out the pram just because the vote is turning on you, again much like jusplay. What are you so worried about?

[legionnare]

At this point, anything Legionairre says should be tossed out the window as well.

Being so dismissive when more experienced players are seeing the value of my posts is further proof that you are throwing your toys out the pram just because the vote is turning on you, again much like jusplay. What are you so worried about?

[SiriusCowKing]

This is really tough... Everyone seems to be pulling in different directions. There isn't much consistency on the first day of voting....

These people all voted for the one Mafia we actually know about very early in the game:
Crown,Gabseni, Legionnaire,sirius, jusplay

At the same time the other votes in were:
Sirius-Mookiemcgee, charm (2)
King ed- Joak (1)

Two of them are dead, while it would seem like these three are likely innocent I could still see Sirius possibly being guilty as he recinded his vote fairly quickly and defended H8 in one post. He had argued both for and against H8 at one point or another. Kill never voted for H8 but then again many of us didn't. I feel there may be enough for me to pull back from voting Sirius after reading everything but I'm not yet ready to vote Kill, is there anyone else we haven't heard from? Some of you havent posted much and today seems like one of the more interesting points in the game.

I can't believe King ed is somehow pretending to be a cop while the real cop hasn't spoken up, so I'm inclined to wait for his vote as bandwagon or not he is about the only one a fully trust at this point.

Why did kill specifically say Tuffy wouldn't like his role? perhaps we need to push for Tuffy to claim?

Fp'd by a cow

The only reason why I unvoted AFK was because he was a noob and it was day 1. This is my way of trying to keep players interested in the game rather than being bored and detached because they got killed in day 1. I want players to come back to other games. I said that he was still number 1 in my list, and I would have pursued him the next day.

Well I guess I dont understand why there is such opposition from Tuffy, Sirius, Gabs, leg on KE3 being the only reliably townie here? I cant believe you remain unconvinced hes the cop. If you do believe he is the cop, and that his information is reliable then why arent we sticking to the inital plan from d2? Just because Sirius had an excuse? An excuse any of the vets should have seen coming yesterday...

Is there a 3rd candidate we can go after to avoid the Sirius vs Kill disagreement?

How many times do I have to write that I am pretty sure that Ed is not lying. It almost feels like you are trying to make sides and throw accusations at us, like you think we are mafia and you want to discriminate us.

[SiriusCowKing]

@kill: So because you think I'm a mafia you're just gonna ignore what I'm saying? I could do the same you know. And what's up with this aggression toward gab. You don't see me being aggressive toward either gab or ed. They haven't being confirmed but i do believe them. You are just digging your grave deeper.


@mookie: I forgot to add that Ed only vouched for you because you went against me and he was agreeing, he did not checked you at night, not that I know of. So there is no actual proof that you are town. I am not saying that you are mafia, but I got my eye on you right now.

[Killuminati19]

Do any of you have valid doubt about what I am telling you? I'll just come out and say it, I am a vengeful townie. Tuffy put his vote on me. Rest assured Tuffy that any vote for me is essentially a vote for you. You want to play chicken? I'm not flinching.

If Gabs is claiming doc, we already have a doc. You said you explained why you voted me. I didn't see much of an explanation. Looks like it was because I hurt your feelings or something.

And Sirius, in regard to the 4 immediate votes on you, you laid out all of these scenarios that include me being mafia. I think I've made it clear that I am not mafia. Yet you still have your vote on me. Your argument to everyone hinged on me being mafia. Everything you say can and should be ignored. You lied to us, and you should have been lynched by now.

And Legion, you said that I was talking about confirmed townies and that the only ones who could know that are mafia. You then said you are 1000 % sure that I am mafia. 2 things:

1. You are 1000 % wrong
2. I can't talk in certainties but you can?

[Killuminati19]

Nevermind, I screwed that up, Ed is cop, Gabs claimed doc.

[legionnare]

1. You are 1000 % wrong - Admittedly an over-exaggeration on my part but by your actions and attitude you seem as near to 100% scum as I am willing to go
2. I can't talk in certainties but you can? - This argument goes both ways, if you are posting that you are certain KE3, Mook, Gab and Yourself are Townie and that Tuffy is Mafia then why can't I say that I am certain that you are Scum?

[Killuminati19]

1. You are 1000 % wrong - Admittedly an over-exaggeration on my part but by your actions and attitude you seem as near to 100% scum as I am willing to go
2. I can't talk in certainties but you can? - This argument goes both ways, if you are posting that you are certain KE3, Mook, Gab and Yourself are Townie and that Tuffy is Mafia then why can't I say that I am certain that you are Scum?You are saying I am scum because I am talking in certainties, yet you are doing the same.

Do you really think I am bluffing? Between myself and Sirius, you see me as the liar? If you are simply taking sides with a fellow mafia member, I understand. If not, I don't.

[legionnare]

1. You are 1000 % wrong - Admittedly an over-exaggeration on my part but by your actions and attitude you seem as near to 100% scum as I am willing to go
2. I can't talk in certainties but you can? - This argument goes both ways, if you are posting that you are certain KE3, Mook, Gab and Yourself are Townie and that Tuffy is Mafia then why can't I say that I am certain that you are Scum?You are saying I am scum because I am talking in certainties, yet you are doing the same.

Do you really think I am bluffing? Between myself and Sirius, you see me as the liar? If you are simply taking sides with a fellow mafia member, I understand. If not, I don't.

No I am saying you are scum because you are refusing to see other possibilities and trying to get a quick lynch without the chance for proper discussion and dissection of the Nights events and as I said earlier you acted aggressively to being voted on same as Jusplay an unaligned 3rd party.

As well as targeting Tuffy purely because he was willing to see that other possibilities exist and was unwilling to vote on Sirius because of this.

You said before that claiming he was roleblocked is a convenient way for Sirius to avoid a lynch and I agreed but the fact is this possibility wasn't considered when the deal to string up Sirius if no revive took place was made, I didn't consider it and I don't think any of the other experienced players mentioned it either.

[legionnare]

@Charm
@DB4
@Joak

I know you are sitting on the fence trying to decide who to vote for but from the looks of things neither side is willing to give ground at the moment, as it stands:

Kill - Leg, Tuffy, Sirius, Gab (4)
Sirius - Kill, Mook, KE3 (3)

It will be up to you 3 to decide who gets lynched, the Doc on one side, the Cop on the other, who's right?