Battle of the Bulge - CLOSED

[chapcrap]

Well, obviously no one wants to vote newguy with me. There is no way we're lynching the claimed doc without a counter claim; no matter how scummy he acts. So, I'm just gonna unvote vote jgordon

[Some7hingCLEVER]

dont wanna quote that. im not skimming. i just thought it was the same. and i dont see how its not. but its whatever. and a distraction in the day doesnt move to night any faster. if you make a case and people vote it thats what moves it faster.

So now that you just finished saying you weren't trying to get rid of the doc, you now admit to trying to... Very contradictory...

i wasnt trying to move it faster. i wasnt trying to get our claimed doctor lynched and i wasnt trying to get him lynched. im not that stupid. if i made a case then i can see you saying this but i did not.

You've played follow the Longhorn when you're posting things to question the doc's integrity or claim, look a few pages back at the posts you've been making. Instead of adding useful things to the conversation, you're just quoting and agreeing with others about questioning the doc, which draws even more attention to the doc. Which "is trying to get out claimed doctor lynched". If you do not want the claimed doctor lynch, why continue to agree with others over a cold case that I've explained countless times? It just seems like you're digging dirt up from where there's others trying to dig.

The more time you spend arguing with me about this, the less time anyone's contributing to doing something this day. The ENTIRE day is between wanting to lynch a claimed survivor and questioning how the doc decides to claim when pressure was growing on him. If you don't like the defenses I give for me reason,then I'm not going to bother replying to any of you who continue this case. I've said all I can say about it, if you don't like it, vote me, if you do, then actually stop complaining about it and do something useful with your time.

agreed i will not get in a piss fight with you. but he is a CLAIMED doctor. i know noone has counterclaimed but does that matter? i claimed doc in hectic eclectic and made it throught day 2 and 3 till i was counterclaimed then killed. i was mafia. so just because he claimed it doesnt mean he is off the hook for it. if he is acting scummy i have the right to question him for the good of the town. that is all ill say on the subject.

[ghostly447]

Gimili prodded.

Djfireside continues the fight in Spartacus' shoes!

Vote count tonight (not too many new votes so I will save it till tonight).

Awesome activity everyone!

[Djfireside]

Confirmed. Read up on most things but alot to take in.

[Ragian]

Welcome, mate.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Well, obviously no one wants to vote newguy with me. There is no way we're lynching the claimed doc without a counter claim; no matter how scummy he acts. So, I'm just gonna unvote vote jgordon

i agree i dont see new guy as being all that scummy. i agree we shouldnt lynch the claimed doc but i still dont feel good about his claim. and that leaves jgordon on my list. so ya ill unvote vote jgordon

[jgordon1111]

Ah the humor of it GL town,well played scum

[pmchugh]

What's with you two voting jgordon? Aren't we trying to find another person to claim? Or are you two scared about who is at the top of the list?

Confirmed. Read up on most things but alot to take in.

Psshht it's only 59 pages you useless bastard!

[jak111]

Soon going on 60 in the D1 sequence XD.

As for the two votes for jg. Clever, while my case earlier on you was to catch scum. You really are acting scummy now. You seem to follow the leader in every vote you've done so far. Chap is fish that will be fried in the coming days I'm sure, but as of now, Unvote, Vote Clever.

This D1 is making me uber tired of the same cases with nothing to go on -.-.

[jgordon1111]

Jak it is what it is. I am tired of trying to talk sense into people.

A few are eager for night to come,and rather than see what has been laid out for them,the blinders are on.

I find it remarkable that lynching a survivor is more acceptable than scum hunting.

But to each his own lol

[chapcrap]

Jak it is what it is. I am tired of trying to talk sense into people.

A few are eager for night to come,and rather than see what has been laid out for them,the blinders are on.

I find it remarkable that lynching a survivor is more acceptable than scum hunting.

But to each his own lol

If you would like to scum hunt, go ahead. You haven't posted anything meaningful in days. Honestly, as I've already said, I'm not sure I believe you're a survivor anyway.

[jak111]

Jak it is what it is. I am tired of trying to talk sense into people.

A few are eager for night to come,and rather than see what has been laid out for them,the blinders are on.

I find it remarkable that lynching a survivor is more acceptable than scum hunting.

But to each his own lol

If you would like to scum hunt, go ahead. You haven't posted anything meaningful in days. Honestly, as I've already said, I'm not sure I believe you're a survivor anyway.

He can't nor can I, do much scum hunting if we're constantly fending off accusations and having to repeat things people have skipped.

[jgordon1111]

Jak it is what it is. I am tired of trying to talk sense into people.

A few are eager for night to come,and rather than see what has been laid out for them,the blinders are on.

I find it remarkable that lynching a survivor is more acceptable than scum hunting.

But to each his own lol

If you would like to scum hunt, go ahead. You haven't posted anything meaningful in days. Honestly, as I've already said, I'm not sure I believe you're a survivor anyway.

Ah speaking of meaningless posts I see your still with it chap, good cover for someone who hasnt made one since the begining of the game.say why you think I am scum and bring some evidence for once chap,instead of parroting the same lines over and over hoping for the best.

You cant you know why a. because you yourself are scum b. here is the good one, you have no investigative skills at all,therefore to ask you to bring hard evidence against me is like asking snakes to fly.

My evidence against you is a. you contradict yourself constantly b. you bandwagon without justification c. you vote for no reason d. and you are real eager to get out of this day.

ask yourself chap why no one went with you on your BW on NG1 lol the humor.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Soon going on 60 in the D1 sequence XD.

As for the two votes for jg. Clever, while my case earlier on you was to catch scum. You really are acting scummy now. You seem to follow the leader in every vote you've done so far. Chap is fish that will be fried in the coming days I'm sure, but as of now, Unvote, Vote Clever.

This D1 is making me uber tired of the same cases with nothing to go on -.-.

i did exactly what you did. i picked the best person for the lynch IMO and it was him. lynch me for using common sense. i honestly dont see how im scummy at all.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Jak it is what it is. I am tired of trying to talk sense into people.

A few are eager for night to come,and rather than see what has been laid out for them,the blinders are on.

I find it remarkable that lynching a survivor is more acceptable than scum hunting.

But to each his own lol

go ahead look for scum i dont think you will find scum day one. not likely anyway.

what exactly has been layed out for me? we have enough claims today and right now i feel most comfortable with you. 1.) i will never lynch a doc day one 2.) your not technically town and while you are progressing the game i cant risk the doc. were four days till deadline i dont think that looking for scum is a good idea mainly because we dont have enough time. and you know it. it seems you are trying to stall town.

[jgordon1111]

Jak it is what it is. I am tired of trying to talk sense into people.

A few are eager for night to come,and rather than see what has been laid out for them,the blinders are on.

I find it remarkable that lynching a survivor is more acceptable than scum hunting.

But to each his own lol

go ahead look for scum i dont think you will find scum day one. not likely anyway.

what exactly has been layed out for me? we have enough claims today and right now i feel most comfortable with you. 1.) i will never lynch a doc day one 2.) your not technically town and while you are progressing the game i cant risk the doc. were four days till deadline i dont think that looking for scum is a good idea mainly because we dont have enough time. and you know it. it seems you are trying to stall town.

Not stalling at all clever,waiting and watching lol

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Jak it is what it is. I am tired of trying to talk sense into people.

A few are eager for night to come,and rather than see what has been laid out for them,the blinders are on.

I find it remarkable that lynching a survivor is more acceptable than scum hunting.

But to each his own lol

go ahead look for scum i dont think you will find scum day one. not likely anyway.

what exactly has been layed out for me? we have enough claims today and right now i feel most comfortable with you. 1.) i will never lynch a doc day one 2.) your not technically town and while you are progressing the game i cant risk the doc. were four days till deadline i dont think that looking for scum is a good idea mainly because we dont have enough time. and you know it. it seems you are trying to stall town.

Not stalling at all clever,waiting and watching lol

for?

[jgordon1111]

still counting the BW,and who jumps back on again lol,and their reason for it.

you see clever on D1,it really doesn't make sense to lynch a survivor D1,and those pushing for it constantly usually have an agenda.

lynching someone because they are a survivor because you havent found scum is rather not the brightest thing tactically. They have no kill abilities or any abilitiy except to vote. Ask yourself why is that dangerous D1,or D2 or even D3. Yet their are some steadily pushing that I am a danger that must be gotten rid of quick. I have no Idea of who is town or who is mafia,I have suspicions but not the evidence I prefer.Think and look it over

Now if someone on that bandwagon can step up to the plate and say jg you are scum for this reason and this reason, I can see that. You cant because I am not. Yes chap I am directing this portion at you mostly. You know I am a survivor,otherwise you would have already been running a case against me yet you have zip zilch nada,hmmmm I wonder why?

But pushing it because you have a feeling or dont like the way I play lol at you.

Those of you that have played with me know I dont bandwagon,I wait, I watch,until a mistake is made then I go for a sure thing.

You can use it or lose it. All the same to me, I played my role to the best,trying to get the big slips,got the small ones but not enough to prove beyond a doubt.

And as I said I am now tiring of this drawn out mess,that keeps being redirected back at me or jak,when someone tries to make a shift and make a case on someone.

It is what it is,no cheating,no not playing my role etc. guilty as charged on being mean to some of you. But it's a GAME.Not personal not even to you chap,even though you equate me to a scarecrow,Doom same thing just disregard the scarecrow part.

@ Saf remember you shake the tree your way I will shake it mine. I get results lol.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

still counting the BW,and who jumps back on again lol,and their reason for it.

you see clever on D1,it really doesn't make sense to lynch a survivor D1,and those pushing for it constantly usually have an agenda.

lynching someone because they are a survivor because you havent found scum is rather not the brightest thing tactically. They have no kill abilities or any abilitiy except to vote. Ask yourself why is that dangerous D1,or D2 or even D3. Yet their are some steadily pushing that I am a danger that must be gotten rid of quick. I have no Idea of who is town or who is mafia,I have suspicions but not the evidence I prefer.Think and look it over

Now if someone on that bandwagon can step up to the plate and say jg you are scum for this reason and this reason, I can see that. You cant because I am not. Yes chap I am directing this portion at you mostly. You know I am a survivor,otherwise you would have already been running a case against me yet you have zip zilch nada,hmmmm I wonder why?

But pushing it because you have a feeling or dont like the way I play lol at you.

Those of you that have played with me know I dont bandwagon,I wait, I watch,until a mistake is made then I go for a sure thing.

You can use it or lose it. All the same to me, I played my role to the best,trying to get the big slips,got the small ones but not enough to prove beyond a doubt.

And as I said I am now tiring of this drawn out mess,that keeps being redirected back at me or jak,when someone tries to make a shift and make a case on someone.

It is what it is,no cheating,no not playing my role etc. guilty as charged on being mean to some of you. But it's a GAME.Not personal not even to you chap,even though you equate me to a scarecrow,Doom same thing just disregard the scarecrow part.

@ Saf remember you shake the tree your way I will shake it mine. I get results lol.

..if you got results would we be having this conversation?

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What's with you two voting jgordon? Aren't we trying to find another person to claim? Or are you two scared about who is at the top of the list?

Confirmed. Read up on most things but alot to take in.

Psshht it's only 59 pages you useless bastard!

HECK YEAH, scum distancing evidence at it's finest

Safari tops off with six, despite for some reason not having a single vote on him.

Everyone is so sure saf is scummy, but we let him slip by, it's easy town points to say your mate is "suspicious" oh FOS this and that, but they don't want to vote him. He's not scum hunting, he only wants to go for inactives, he only did that much when his hand was forced, he's pushing for a no lynch on day one, (that alone would get someone a quick day vig to the face back in the day) and now, people are going for the quick lynch when the results are posted, this is plenty for me.

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[jgordon1111]

still counting the BW,and who jumps back on again lol,and their reason for it.

you see clever on D1,it really doesn't make sense to lynch a survivor D1,and those pushing for it constantly usually have an agenda.

lynching someone because they are a survivor because you havent found scum is rather not the brightest thing tactically. They have no kill abilities or any abilitiy except to vote. Ask yourself why is that dangerous D1,or D2 or even D3. Yet their are some steadily pushing that I am a danger that must be gotten rid of quick. I have no Idea of who is town or who is mafia,I have suspicions but not the evidence I prefer.Think and look it over

Now if someone on that bandwagon can step up to the plate and say jg you are scum for this reason and this reason, I can see that. You cant because I am not. Yes chap I am directing this portion at you mostly. You know I am a survivor,otherwise you would have already been running a case against me yet you have zip zilch nada,hmmmm I wonder why?

But pushing it because you have a feeling or dont like the way I play lol at you.

Those of you that have played with me know I dont bandwagon,I wait, I watch,until a mistake is made then I go for a sure thing.

You can use it or lose it. All the same to me, I played my role to the best,trying to get the big slips,got the small ones but not enough to prove beyond a doubt.

And as I said I am now tiring of this drawn out mess,that keeps being redirected back at me or jak,when someone tries to make a shift and make a case on someone.

It is what it is,no cheating,no not playing my role etc. guilty as charged on being mean to some of you. But it's a GAME.Not personal not even to you chap,even though you equate me to a scarecrow,Doom same thing just disregard the scarecrow part.

@ Saf remember you shake the tree your way I will shake it mine. I get results lol.

..if you got results would we be having this conversation?

Yes we would, because you either havent been reading or you are missing scum tells left and right.

Your impulsive clever, set back and go through some of it again, look close at what has been going on. evaluate it against other games then reread some of it one more time I think our conversation will look different.

And the point you brought up was to Saf as a reminder,nothing more.

[jak111]

still counting the BW,and who jumps back on again lol,and their reason for it.

you see clever on D1,it really doesn't make sense to lynch a survivor D1,and those pushing for it constantly usually have an agenda.

lynching someone because they are a survivor because you havent found scum is rather not the brightest thing tactically. They have no kill abilities or any abilitiy except to vote. Ask yourself why is that dangerous D1,or D2 or even D3. Yet their are some steadily pushing that I am a danger that must be gotten rid of quick. I have no Idea of who is town or who is mafia,I have suspicions but not the evidence I prefer.Think and look it over

Now if someone on that bandwagon can step up to the plate and say jg you are scum for this reason and this reason, I can see that. You cant because I am not. Yes chap I am directing this portion at you mostly. You know I am a survivor,otherwise you would have already been running a case against me yet you have zip zilch nada,hmmmm I wonder why?

But pushing it because you have a feeling or dont like the way I play lol at you.

Those of you that have played with me know I dont bandwagon,I wait, I watch,until a mistake is made then I go for a sure thing.

You can use it or lose it. All the same to me, I played my role to the best,trying to get the big slips,got the small ones but not enough to prove beyond a doubt.

And as I said I am now tiring of this drawn out mess,that keeps being redirected back at me or jak,when someone tries to make a shift and make a case on someone.

It is what it is,no cheating,no not playing my role etc. guilty as charged on being mean to some of you. But it's a GAME.Not personal not even to you chap,even though you equate me to a scarecrow,Doom same thing just disregard the scarecrow part.

@ Saf remember you shake the tree your way I will shake it mine. I get results lol.

..if you got results would we be having this conversation?

People are having this discussion because we're trying to get it through yours and a few others thick skulls whom only bring up the same thing over and over. It's really tiring and I hope out of you, Chuck, Everywhere, and Chap, the town find out which one of you or two are mafia.

As for leading the game further I guess I'll just have to hope town checks back on Clever and the other 3 I mentioned above. There's something strange about it, perhaps one or two views are of the town, but it seems like the mafia is hopping aboard to make it seem like it's a town wide view.
But I'll let you guys weed that out for yourselves.
Unvote, Vote Saf, because he's on the majority of 3 person lists, plus mine. So time to put our money where our mouths are.

[thechuck51]

Now if someone on that bandwagon can step up to the plate and say jg you are scum for this reason and this reason, I can see that. You cant because I am not. Yes chap I am directing this portion at you mostly. You know I am a survivor,otherwise you would have already been running a case against me yet you have zip zilch nada,hmmmm I wonder why?

We do not have to prove you are scum because you claimed a non-town role! I explained my reasoning earlier for why you were the best option for a lynch but I guess you just skimmed it. Please read this list, provide a reasonable and thought out response, and I may unvote.

The odds of us outing and lynching any scum are small (approx. 1 in 4 I would guess). We can continue to go back and forth, casting suspicions here and there, creating fake cases to see who joins the bandwagon, and in my opinion continue to accomplish very little or we can lynch somebody we know is not town, JGordon. If we wait, our focus in the following days will be on finding/lynching scum, allowing JGordon to survive further into the game which would only make him more dangerous to the town. He says he wants the town to win but if we end up in a lynch or lose situation it would be to easy for him to vote with the mafia and meet his win condition.

I've started a pro/con list for lynching JGordon. please add to it if you like

Pros:
- we do not lose a town member to a lynch
- we do not mistakenly out another power role by continuing to pressure with more bandwagons
- we prevent the potential LyLo condition described above.
- we prevent the chance of our vig being busdriven while trying to NK him (if both roles are present in the game)
- we move the game to the next phase where we can use our power roles to build real cases

Cons:
- we do not lynch scum
- if JGordon is a jester, he wins (will the game end with his lynch? if not, then this may not be much of a con)

[jgordon1111]

no response needed chuck I already said why it would be a tactical error to lynch me.

Yes I already read your response from before.

But why would the vig need to kill me.

how are you certain you will out a power role.

Lylo is only a possibility if you come down to equal numbers of town and mafia, a. not likely to happen b. I picked the side I would prefer to win.

You lose one of the most active players in the game and a vote. Who is actively trying to reveal scum.

If your power people are playing at night, as they are during the day the odds are you will end up lynching town tomorrow.

I case you havent noticed no one is playing,everyone is keeping their head down and hoping no one says anything directly to them.

No cases being brought forward because everyone is afraid to play.

Do you really believe that they are going to suddenly become guru's of mafia and discover what they already refuse to see.

[thechuck51]

no response needed chuck I already said why it would be a tactical error to lynch me.

Yes I already read your response from before.

But why would the vig need to kill me.

how are you certain you will out a power role.

Lylo is only a possibility if you come down to equal numbers of town and mafia, a. not likely to happen b. I picked the side I would prefer to win.

You lose one of the most active players in the game and a vote. Who is actively trying to reveal scum.

If your power people are playing at night, as they are during the day the odds are you will end up lynching town tomorrow.

I case you havent noticed no one is playing,everyone is keeping their head down and hoping no one says anything directly to them.

No cases being brought forward because everyone is afraid to play.

Do you really believe that they are going to suddenly become guru's of mafia and discover what they already refuse to see.

While I don't necessarily agree, you did provide a reasonable response so for now I unvote