well i guess that depends on how many other people you believe to be anti-town at this point. I would lean that we aren't 7 townies and a 3rd party but maybe.
I doubt I make it through the night if there's still scum/killing faction bc of my protective abilities anyway.
I'm conflicted over giving spiesr control as he'd have to pass it within 3 posts and spiesr isn't heavy on post counts to begin with so it may just further kill our recent activity. I also am a little paranoid given his last post.
spiesr wrote:Do we ant to go with just one person dying today than? (Instead of lynching someone else and unhorsing Doom, or the reverse?) I would be comfortable with kgb or sheep being lynched with Doom today, but I am not quite sure if that is our best option or not.
Eh, might be hard to pull another lynch with this inactivity, but I am really leery of lynching the claimed doc. I could see pegging sheep because I am certain the mafia threat is over making BP's useless, and he doesn't seem to to be interested in contributing much at scum hunting. I have him pinned as a 3rd party rather than town in my books, but cult or some sort of survivor I don't know how to decide. I don't want Doom to see the end of the day, so unless KGB decides to cooperate with the horse instead of letting doom throw it where ever he desires this could get messy. But seriously, its vital we find out the status of doom and what cult he is, and if there are 2 or he is yanking us about here.
Edoc'sil
Commander9 wrote:Trust Edoc, as I know he's VERY good.
Doomyoshi wrote:I can either stay alive and try to win, or die and have no chance.
Was it just me or did anyone else read this part of Doomyoshi's last post as confirming that he is the last cult?
Anyways, I am ultimately willing to believe KGB's claim at the moment. So Vote Doom
As has been suggested protocol on previous days, I recommend not giving him the horse until we hammer. Edoc and KGB have already voted so I suggest handing the horse to Spiesr and have him hammer while passing off the horse to Doom at the same time. If anyone disagrees, speak now or forever hold your peace.
Stop being a dipshit. I am the last of my cult. Either you believe that Rodion was in my cult and therefore the last possible or you believe my story... aage didn't get a N2 recruit, I am the last of cult 1 and if you lynch me cult 2 wins.
Anyone not in cult 2 is making a big mistake voting me.
kgb007 wrote:Doom, can you summarize why you think there are 2 cults and the reasoning behind that thinking?
He would know if Rodion was in his cult. Therefore he doesn't need any reason to think that. You either believe him or you don't.
Not to mention that Rodion came up as another color but was a cultist. Mudpuppy has an incredibly weak claim and we are debating over Doom? It's pretty clear to me that we need to take out the second cult ASAP. Vote Mudpuppy
We have all the pieces in front of us. Mafia looks to be completely wiped out, two cults exists, town has taken a beating but will survive. We knock out the other cult and town has the game.
I AM MASTER SHEEP, TEH AWESOME
DoomYoshi wrote:Test it on me. Tree stump is my favorite role anyway lol. Next time I am picking Wispy Woods as my character.
kgb007 wrote:Doom, can you summarize why you think there are 2 cults and the reasoning behind that thinking?
He would know if Rodion was in his cult. Therefore he doesn't need any reason to think that. You either believe him or you don't.
Not to mention that Rodion came up as another color but was a cultist. Mudpuppy has an incredibly weak claim and we are debating over Doom? It's pretty clear to me that we need to take out the second cult ASAP. Vote Mudpuppy
We have all the pieces in front of us. Mafia looks to be completely wiped out, two cults exists, town has taken a beating but will survive. We knock out the other cult and town has the game.
Well that's a mega-skim. Mudpuppy has already been lynched. Major FOS Sheep
Maxleod wrote:Not strike, he's the only one with a functioning brain.
kgb007 wrote:Doom, can you summarize why you think there are 2 cults and the reasoning behind that thinking?
He would know if Rodion was in his cult. Therefore he doesn't need any reason to think that. You either believe him or you don't.
Not to mention that Rodion came up as another color but was a cultist. Mudpuppy has an incredibly weak claim and we are debating over Doom? It's pretty clear to me that we need to take out the second cult ASAP. Vote Mudpuppy
We have all the pieces in front of us. Mafia looks to be completely wiped out, two cults exists, town has taken a beating but will survive. We knock out the other cult and town has the game.
Well that's a mega-skim. Mudpuppy has already been lynched. Major FOS Sheep
Gah, you are right, I've been so damn busy and the back to back nights got me messed up. I'll put together a much better case I swear.
I AM MASTER SHEEP, TEH AWESOME
DoomYoshi wrote:Test it on me. Tree stump is my favorite role anyway lol. Next time I am picking Wispy Woods as my character.
strike wolf wrote:I will confirm visiting Rodion N1.
Woah, how did this get skipped over? Rodion was killed LN1 and popped cult. Stike has avoided pressure for claiming and he's confirmed he visited someone in the cult. Yes, Doom is a known threat to the town. But I don't want to end the day without at least a claim from Strike.
Vote Strike
EBWOP: back to back days. I could barely think straight an hour ago. Head is all cleared up now.
I AM MASTER SHEEP, TEH AWESOME
DoomYoshi wrote:Test it on me. Tree stump is my favorite role anyway lol. Next time I am picking Wispy Woods as my character.
1. Recruiting a notable townie like Rodion, Edocsil, Safariguy, etc. is always a double edged sword. They are more likely to be a productive member of cult but they are also more likely to be targeted by any scum group they are not allied with so they have the increased chance of being night killed.
2. Experienced townies like that are also very good at blending in when they are scum. That early in the game without a solid claim, I couldn't trust that Rodion wasn't mafia that early in the game.
3. It is better to try to go for less in your face townies early on. Ones that show a lot of town behavior but aren't as likely to give you a hidden scum and are just as likely to produce a power role. Neb is someone who I would have gone for probably. He was leaning heavily town for me all game and a good choice.
But I am not adverse to claiming so
I am Lelouch Lamperouge from Code Geass- Town Redirector
I targeted Rodion on Night 1 and had him go to Jak. The idea was that if Rodion was mafia and Jak turned up dead in the morning I had a definitive case to label Rodion on as scum.
N2 I targeted Betiko and aimed him at KGB (sorry was leaning scum on you at the time). Same logic. If he was lying and KGB had died than I would know he was scum.
N3 I'd have to see if I still have the PM. I think I targeted Nark at himself but I can't remember.
LN1 I aimed tails at Nark. I was thinking that Tails was the vig when he ended up dead but his own death settled that.
LN2 I aimed Iron Butterfly at Spiesr
Maxleod wrote:Not strike, he's the only one with a functioning brain.
DoomYoshi wrote:I know I don't hold many cards... but it feels like massclaim time.
After you get lynched, if it's not game over, then it will massclaim time probably... but unless something significant happens I don't see a better target right now. (If I vote it will put you at L-1 though, and not sure how we want to play it with the horse and all... )
Mafia hammer is a likely role. If Rodion switched from mafia to cult it explains why strike knew the mafia. Although the second gifter is confirmed, the gifts themselves aren't confirmed. I'm not sure I believe this though, it's just another possibility.
Strike, your not recruiting Rodion reasoning is pure WIFOM. The only confirmed cult recruits are me and Rodion. You can't say it's unlikely that Rodion would be recruited. It has a probability of 1.
Spiesr and edoc have both played with me enough to know I'm not lying. They are 1 phase away from winning the game and they need a lynch. Hotshot gave them that easy lynch.
Are you guys even thinking at this point? Lynching a rolegifter? Literally the most powerful role in the game. It's not like I played poorly this game either (it wasn't optimal, but my D1 cases speak for themselves).
Also, f*ck you kgb. You scummarine entire days away but now that you're in the horse game you're here every day and even counting my posts. Worst kind of mafia player imaginable.
kgb, that's my horse. You are welcome to take it right back, but it looks like it will be a while before the day ends and I need to post.
DoomYoshi wrote:Mafia hammer is a likely role. If Rodion switched from mafia to cult it explains why strike knew the mafia.
In my experience mafia usually can't be recruited into other groups for the game breaking potential it presents. Do you have a compelling reason to believe that they can in this game (like your leader told you he could) or is this just a list of any possibility that could maybe happen?
DoomYoshi wrote:Strike, your not recruiting Rodion reasoning is pure WIFOM. The only confirmed cult recruits are me and Rodion. You can't say it's unlikely that Rodion would be recruited. It has a probability of 1.
I think he was suggesting that he isn't a recruiter as he wouldn't have done the thing that happened himself. Now, this is an almost equally useless argument, but it does make a bit more sense for him to try and make said argument.
DoomYoshi wrote:Spiesr and edoc have both played with me enough to know I'm not lying. They are 1 phase away from winning the game and they need a lynch. Hotshot gave them that easy lynch.
My experience with you is such that I don't think I can rule out the possibility of you telling the truth about there being two cults but lying about which one you are in in an attempt to lower your lynch priority.
DoomYoshi wrote:Are you guys even thinking at this point? Lynching a rolegifter? Literally the most powerful role in the game.
With you being known to have a non-town alignment that power just increases how much of a threat you are. With you in the horse game today you will not be allowed to live another day. The only question is how and who, if anyone, will join you.
DoomYoshi wrote:unvote vote edoc
Now, going off of your 2 cult statements, today's lynch target should be the remaining recruiter. Do you think that it is edco'sil? According to Betiko (who was town) edocsil was clear as of Lost Night 1, which suggests that he did not start as cult.
So, unless you know that cult leaders have investigation immunity in this game, or you gave him a naive/insane gift, I would not put edocsil on the list to lynch today.
DoomYoshi wrote:Although the second gifter is confirmed, the gifts themselves aren't confirmed. I'm not sure I believe this though, it's just another possibility.
Perhaps you could help us sort out the tangle of gifts? Also maybe explain why you think your character is a gifter? (To me recruiter sounds like it would make more sense for Joan of Arc.)
DoomYoshi wrote:Mafia hammer is a likely role. If Rodion switched from mafia to cult it explains why strike knew the mafia. Although the second gifter is confirmed, the gifts themselves aren't confirmed. I'm not sure I believe this though, it's just another possibility.
A good mod would not allow a mafia to be recruited. That just completely unbalances the equation for mafia. That's not an opinion. That's fact.
Doomyoshi wrote:Strike, your not recruiting Rodion reasoning is pure WIFOM. The only confirmed cult recruits are me and Rodion. You can't say it's unlikely that Rodion would be recruited. It has a probability of 1.
It's WIFOM but it is WIFOM that is relevant to how I play cult recruiter. Which is completely relevant since the heart and soul of the case against me was that I visited someone who was at some point recruited to cult. I am not saying it was unlikely that Rodion was recruited. I would actually say that my theory on how to play cult leader is probably contrary to how most people play cult leader. I am just telling you why I wouldn't personally recruit Rodion on Night 1.
Maxleod wrote:Not strike, he's the only one with a functioning brain.
Something I just thought to check... when I got the response that doom was cult, it was colored orange, like Dracula, and not green like rodion... so there is actually a good chance he is telling the truth after all.
So to find the other recruiter... who is most likely? Strike, since we know he visited rodion? Him exposing mafia thanks to a gift is something a cult would do just as much as a towny. Or is anyone else suspicious?
Right now, I am leaning toward voting strike... and his claimed power isn't all that special, if he is telling the truth and we miss-lynch him, we won't be losing anything much.
If there are 2 cults, maybe they don't recruit every night, that's why we haven't lost yet? Or maybe strike tried to recruit a scum, got a rejection that they couldn't be recruited, and that's why he was able to out a scum...
At the moment, whatever happens doom isn't a threat, and a second cult recruiter could be, so I will vote strike wolf
HotShot53 wrote:Something I just thought to check... when I got the response that doom was cult, it was colored orange, like Dracula, and not green like rodion... so there is actually a good chance he is telling the truth after all.
So to find the other recruiter... who is most likely? Strike, since we know he visited rodion? Him exposing mafia thanks to a gift is something a cult would do just as much as a towny. Or is anyone else suspicious?
Right now, I am leaning toward voting strike... and his claimed power isn't all that special, if he is telling the truth and we miss-lynch him, we won't be losing anything much.
If there are 2 cults, maybe they don't recruit every night, that's why we haven't lost yet? Or maybe strike tried to recruit a scum, got a rejection that they couldn't be recruited, and that's why he was able to out a scum...
At the moment, whatever happens doom isn't a threat, and a second cult recruiter could be, so I will vote strike wolf
Where was this info fucking days ago? You KNEW there were 2 cults if you got doom's color back and knew it was different from rodion's. And you didn't say it? One cult is horrifying for town, but 2 is just making it GG for town unless they are killed in just a few days into the game. Explain this shit.
Edoc'sil
Commander9 wrote:Trust Edoc, as I know he's VERY good.
HotShot53 wrote:Something I just thought to check... when I got the response that doom was cult, it was colored orange, like Dracula, and not green like rodion... so there is actually a good chance he is telling the truth after all.
So to find the other recruiter... who is most likely? Strike, since we know he visited rodion? Him exposing mafia thanks to a gift is something a cult would do just as much as a towny. Or is anyone else suspicious?
Right now, I am leaning toward voting strike... and his claimed power isn't all that special, if he is telling the truth and we miss-lynch him, we won't be losing anything much.
If there are 2 cults, maybe they don't recruit every night, that's why we haven't lost yet? Or maybe strike tried to recruit a scum, got a rejection that they couldn't be recruited, and that's why he was able to out a scum...
At the moment, whatever happens doom isn't a threat, and a second cult recruiter could be, so I will vote strike wolf
Also, please fact check your claims before posting, we have it pretty much confirmed that the gifter gave strike the inv. None of your points against strike are inaccurate, but you have zero town credibility with me right now.
Edoc'sil
Commander9 wrote:Trust Edoc, as I know he's VERY good.
The cop investigation I gave betiko gave a result of mafia/not mafia. I didn't know there was a second cult at first and I didn't want betiko to oust me (obviously).
a bit uncalled for Doom, stop whining that I'm "scummarining"
Yes I posted on 5/31 and then posted again 7 days later, in between we had a night phase. Given my claim, I hope you, as an experienced player, can understand why I might be keeping a low profile and be hesitant to claim when 2 people had already claimed in LD3 and there were no votes cast in my direction.
One way or the other, Doom needs to go for Town to win
I'm open not overkilling Doom and lynching someone else if we can get enough discussion going.
