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Re: Battle of the Bulge - Day 1 - Need 1 replace

Postby jgordon1111 on Wed May 02, 2012 5:13 pm

/ wrote:PMC suggests top three list

Chapcrap's list
Jak's list
Doom's lazy $#$@ bandwaggon
/'s list
PMC's list
thechuck's list
Everywhere's list
Doom's actual list
rodion's list

Bad listless people
1. jgordon
2. new guy1
3. CLEVER
4. SG7
6. Dazza
7. Safariguy
9. Crazymilkshake5 replaced by gimli1990
10. Ragian
12. SPARTACUS1974
13. Leehar

Nomination Tally

safari: 6 nominations; Chap, jak, /, pmc, doom, rodion
jgordon: 5 Nominations; Chap, /, chuck, every, rodion
newguy: 5 nominations; Chap, /, chuck, every, doom
Chap: 4 nominations; Jak, pmc, doom, rodion
Doom: 3 nominations; Jak, pmc, chuck
everywhere: 2 nominations; /, doom
jak: 2 nominations; chuck, every
pmc: 2 nominations; Chap, chuck

Safari tops off with six, despite for some reason not having a single vote on him. A whole bunch of people have no lists so far, ok we have like 5 days left, this was the last count.
viewtopic.php?f=213&t=165179&start=825#p3716725
what now?

Uh excuse me / you are normally better than this, I uhmm do have a list ;)
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Re: Battle of the Bulge - Day 1 - Need 1 replace

Postby jak111 on Wed May 02, 2012 5:20 pm

Some7hingCLEVER wrote:quick comment. where did i say i wanted to get rid of the doc? i dont believe i did?


Quick question, why are you skimming by assuming that I said you said that you wanted to get rid of the doc? Reread.
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Re: Battle of the Bulge - Day 1 - Need 1 replace

Postby / on Wed May 02, 2012 5:29 pm

jak111 wrote:Out of these 5 I can promise one or two of them are mafia ;)

Statistically speaking, if only one of us is mafia out of five, that's probably better than the mafia/town ratio for the whole game, heck, lynch the godfather an there's going to be one or two scum on the wagon, so that doesn't really narrow things down too much.

jgordon1111 wrote: Uh excuse me / you are normally better than this, I uhmm do have a list ;)

Okay, so I just went through your last 30 posts with advanced search, twice, I'll bite, page number?
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Re: Battle of the Bulge - Day 1 - Need 1 replace

Postby jgordon1111 on Wed May 02, 2012 5:32 pm

page 27 second post from the bottom /

and at this point would maybe only change one person.












fast posted see above post lol
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Re: Battle of the Bulge - Day 1 - Need 1 replace

Postby pmchugh on Wed May 02, 2012 5:36 pm

@jak, I sure hope you can pick one scum outta 5, since the town-mafia ratio is probably lower than this :lol:

@/ I really wish you hadn't listed the overall votes, you just made it easier for scum to pick who to put in their lists.

@ mod can we get a prod on gimli?

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Re: Battle of the Bulge - Day 1 - Need 1 replace

Postby / on Wed May 02, 2012 5:43 pm

jgordon's ancient unchanging list

@ PMC, like I said, 5 days left, if we are going to utilize the results for a proper bandwagon as planned, we should do it ASAP so we don't cause a mislynch.
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Re: Battle of the Bulge - Day 1 - Need 1 replace

Postby pmchugh on Wed May 02, 2012 5:45 pm

jgordon1111 wrote:page 27 second post from the bottom /

and at this point would maybe only change one person.












fast posted see above post lol


Then why not just post the revised list.. bloody survivor :P
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Re: Battle of the Bulge - Day 1 - Need 1 replace

Postby safariguy5 on Wed May 02, 2012 6:10 pm

Well I'll put my list then.

gimli
sg7
Sparticus

All because they haven't posted much. I'm not really seeing the case on chap or doom, I don't believe there's much merit on any cases currently, and jak and jgordon have made claims that can be reexamined in future days.
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Re: Battle of the Bulge - Day 1 - Need 1 replace

Postby new guy1 on Wed May 02, 2012 6:29 pm

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thechuck51 wrote:/ has stolen my thunder a little but my top choices (listed in order of scumminess) are

1- JGordon: I don't buy his survivor claim. Something fishy about claiming when there were only 3 people voting him. And even if I am wrong we would be lynching a survivor which I still feel is no real loss for the town. If I am right then I think town steamrolls to a win.

2 - Jak: He has been ultra-defensive of JGordon, he would rather no-lynch than lose him plus I don't like the doctor soft claim. What purpose does it serve? I don't see a town doctor claiming unless a lynch was imminent. The only reason I see for somebody to claim doc otherwise is if they are mafia and are trying to bait the real doctor for a counter-claim. Anybody associated with the claim is suspect to me, which brings me too...

3 - NewGuy1: Real quick to support named claims by JGordon and Jak. Also would rather no-lynch than lose JGordon. He was in on the doc soft claim stuff as well.

4&5 - Doom & PMC are suspicious by association for being involved in the doc soft claim. Doom for "outing" it to everybody, PMC for being part of jak directing the doc prior to his soft claim.

fastposted x a bunch


Chuck. I know I shouldnt critisize, but this list spells crap to me. You have a survivor at the top of your list (we are looking for scum, not a survivor), our claimed doctor second, and then third you have me in which I have been defending the claimed doc and survivor and you find that scummy? My list probably right now, in no particular order would have to be:

Doomyoshi- Im getting vibes from him, plus when he is town he is usually alot more proactive and helpful towards town. This game he seemed silent till he was called out and from my viewpoint hasnt added alot of useful information.

Chuck- Wants to lynch our claimed doc and a survivor instead of searching for scum, which to me just rings mafia.

JG- Even though I support him and believe that he will honestly help town, theres always a chance that it is a very good fake claim and that I could be defending scum.


Hmm... list? Skimming /?
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Re: Battle of the Bulge - Day 1 - Need 1 replace

Postby chapcrap on Wed May 02, 2012 7:02 pm

Some form of OMGUS is jak's favorite I think. Attack if you feel like you're being attacked!!!

I wasn't advancing any kind of case on you. I said if you hadn't claimed doc, you would be getting votes because you're acting scummy. And you proved it by acting scummy as a reaction. Getting all crazy with your defense when no one is coming at you with pitchforks and there is no way you're getting lynched today. So, there's no need to be crazy.

And you can't really count jgordon's list when it was before we were even making lists. Good grief jgordon, try and contribute something.
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Re: Battle of the Bulge - Day 1 - Need 1 replace

Postby jgordon1111 on Wed May 02, 2012 7:09 pm

chapcrap wrote:Some form of OMGUS is jak's favorite I think. Attack if you feel like you're being attacked!!!

I wasn't advancing any kind of case on you. I said if you hadn't claimed doc, you would be getting votes because you're acting scummy. And you proved it by acting scummy as a reaction. Getting all crazy with your defense when no one is coming at you with pitchforks and there is no way you're getting lynched today. So, there's no need to be crazy.

And you can't really count jgordon's list when it was before we were even making lists. Good grief jgordon, try and contribute something.


Thank you for that information chap, Yes discount the first person to make a list. discredit him anyway you can to try and save yourself. I would say my contribution thus far surpasses the drivel you have been trying to get to pass as legit non scum play.

Translation, keep pushing that BS the noose is tightening and you know it. No one is jumping aboard your propaganda misdirection train. :lol:
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Re: Battle of the Bulge - Day 1 - Need 1 replace

Postby Some7hingCLEVER on Wed May 02, 2012 7:15 pm

jak111 wrote:
Some7hingCLEVER wrote:quick comment. where did i say i wanted to get rid of the doc? i dont believe i did?


Quick question, why are you skimming by assuming that I said you said that you wanted to get rid of the doc? Reread.


quick question, are you skimming your own posts jak?

look

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jak111 wrote:
chapcrap wrote: I don't know how pmc thinks you're acting like town.


I'm sort of wondering how anyone believes you're acting like town. Seriously, the cases on me and JG are cold until tomorrow, so why bother? There's nothing more to be added.


thechuck51 wrote:ask and ye shall receive...

jak111 wrote:So I don't think anyone picked up except one or two that I was even so much as soft claiming until I said I was. So this argument can be dropped, you all chose to pressure me into it, and I wouldn't have even fully claimed if Doom didn't say a single word about it. If you're looking for more to the story there is none, I tried teeth and nails to keep myself hidden but nope, you all started compiling 'cases' and FOS's out of thin air. What did you expect the outcome to be? "Oh yea, I'm VT" <.< Mind you that would've been a smarter thing to do, but of course then it'd be "Let's lynch a VT, they're useless" And if I claimed after that it'd be "Why are you switching your claim? Trying to seem important?"


you were at 3 votes so there wasn't that much pressure even if there were a couple of FOS's. They aren't a big deal until they turn into votes

perhaps leading the league in posts per day wasn't the best way to keep yourself hidden.

not necessarily true. I don't think you can say VT = auto lynch. We have seen with JGordon that many players value activity and you have been very active

fastposted by jak

I can put the doc stuff on the back-burner for now but I intend to re-visit it day 2


As for this, you, Clever, Chap, Everywhere, and / have me confused? You're working together some secret alliance? Perhaps one or two town in between? The four of you are working on cases against a claimed doc when the case is freezing cold and you want more?
First Chuck wants to bring it back up, then / makes a post continuing it, and Chap, Everywhere and Clever follow like sheep.

Though I can make this bet since I'm trying to get good at sniping mafia in D1's and D2's. Out of these 5 I can promise one or two of them are mafia ;)

quick comment. where did i say i wanted to get rid of the doc? i dont believe i did?


you make cases to cast suspicion and to lynch someone. aka wanting them dead. did i miss something?
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Re: Battle of the Bulge - Day 1 - Need 1 replace

Postby jak111 on Wed May 02, 2012 7:26 pm

Some7hingCLEVER wrote:
jak111 wrote:
Some7hingCLEVER wrote:quick comment. where did i say i wanted to get rid of the doc? i dont believe i did?


Quick question, why are you skimming by assuming that I said you said that you wanted to get rid of the doc? Reread.


quick question, are you skimming your own posts jak?

look

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jak111 wrote:
chapcrap wrote: I don't know how pmc thinks you're acting like town.


I'm sort of wondering how anyone believes you're acting like town. Seriously, the cases on me and JG are cold until tomorrow, so why bother? There's nothing more to be added.


thechuck51 wrote:ask and ye shall receive...

jak111 wrote:So I don't think anyone picked up except one or two that I was even so much as soft claiming until I said I was. So this argument can be dropped, you all chose to pressure me into it, and I wouldn't have even fully claimed if Doom didn't say a single word about it. If you're looking for more to the story there is none, I tried teeth and nails to keep myself hidden but nope, you all started compiling 'cases' and FOS's out of thin air. What did you expect the outcome to be? "Oh yea, I'm VT" <.< Mind you that would've been a smarter thing to do, but of course then it'd be "Let's lynch a VT, they're useless" And if I claimed after that it'd be "Why are you switching your claim? Trying to seem important?"


you were at 3 votes so there wasn't that much pressure even if there were a couple of FOS's. They aren't a big deal until they turn into votes

perhaps leading the league in posts per day wasn't the best way to keep yourself hidden.

not necessarily true. I don't think you can say VT = auto lynch. We have seen with JGordon that many players value activity and you have been very active

fastposted by jak

I can put the doc stuff on the back-burner for now but I intend to re-visit it day 2


As for this, you, Clever, Chap, Everywhere, and / have me confused? You're working together some secret alliance? Perhaps one or two town in between? The four of you are working on cases against a claimed doc when the case is freezing cold and you want more?
First Chuck wants to bring it back up, then / makes a post continuing it, and Chap, Everywhere and Clever follow like sheep.

Though I can make this bet since I'm trying to get good at sniping mafia in D1's and D2's. Out of these 5 I can promise one or two of them are mafia ;)

quick comment. where did i say i wanted to get rid of the doc? i dont believe i did?


you make cases to cast suspicion and to lynch someone. aka wanting them dead. did i miss something?


How can I skim what I have said? Making a case does not require wanting them dead, but it offers a distraction for the remaining of the day so scum can get the kills in the night. ;) Stop skimming mister!
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Re: Battle of the Bulge - Day 1 - Need 1 replace

Postby Some7hingCLEVER on Wed May 02, 2012 7:41 pm

dont wanna quote that. im not skimming. i just thought it was the same. and i dont see how its not. but its whatever. and a distraction in the day doesnt move to night any faster. if you make a case and people vote it thats what moves it faster.
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Re: Battle of the Bulge - Day 1 - Need 1 replace

Postby jak111 on Wed May 02, 2012 7:52 pm

Some7hingCLEVER wrote:dont wanna quote that. im not skimming. i just thought it was the same. and i dont see how its not. but its whatever. and a distraction in the day doesnt move to night any faster. if you make a case and people vote it thats what moves it faster.


So now that you just finished saying you weren't trying to get rid of the doc, you now admit to trying to... Very contradictory...
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Re: Battle of the Bulge - Day 1 - Need 1 replace

Postby Some7hingCLEVER on Wed May 02, 2012 8:27 pm

jak111 wrote:
Some7hingCLEVER wrote:dont wanna quote that. im not skimming. i just thought it was the same. and i dont see how its not. but its whatever. and a distraction in the day doesnt move to night any faster. if you make a case and people vote it thats what moves it faster.


So now that you just finished saying you weren't trying to get rid of the doc, you now admit to trying to... Very contradictory...


i wasnt trying to move it faster. i wasnt trying to get our claimed doctor lynched and i wasnt trying to get him lynched. im not that stupid. if i made a case then i can see you saying this but i did not.
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Re: Battle of the Bulge - Day 1 - Need 1 replace

Postby jak111 on Wed May 02, 2012 8:47 pm

Some7hingCLEVER wrote:
jak111 wrote:
Some7hingCLEVER wrote:dont wanna quote that. im not skimming. i just thought it was the same. and i dont see how its not. but its whatever. and a distraction in the day doesnt move to night any faster. if you make a case and people vote it thats what moves it faster.


So now that you just finished saying you weren't trying to get rid of the doc, you now admit to trying to... Very contradictory...


i wasnt trying to move it faster. i wasnt trying to get our claimed doctor lynched and i wasnt trying to get him lynched. im not that stupid. if i made a case then i can see you saying this but i did not.


You've played follow the Longhorn when you're posting things to question the doc's integrity or claim, look a few pages back at the posts you've been making. Instead of adding useful things to the conversation, you're just quoting and agreeing with others about questioning the doc, which draws even more attention to the doc. Which "is trying to get out claimed doctor lynched". If you do not want the claimed doctor lynch, why continue to agree with others over a cold case that I've explained countless times? It just seems like you're digging dirt up from where there's others trying to dig.

The more time you spend arguing with me about this, the less time anyone's contributing to doing something this day. The ENTIRE day is between wanting to lynch a claimed survivor and questioning how the doc decides to claim when pressure was growing on him. If you don't like the defenses I give for me reason,then I'm not going to bother replying to any of you who continue this case. I've said all I can say about it, if you don't like it, vote me, if you do, then actually stop complaining about it and do something useful with your time.
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Re: Battle of the Bulge - Day 1 - Need 1 replace

Postby thechuck51 on Wed May 02, 2012 8:54 pm

Rodion wrote:
thechuck51 wrote:No I never have. I am currently playing in this game, matrix, and a newbie game on mafiascum and these games are my first experience other than reading through some old games in the archives


From the way you play, I could bet you had previous experience. Would you mind sending me a link to your MS game/profile?



I have a different username over there (it wasn't available here when i signed up)

http://forum.mafiascum.net/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=18742
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Re: Battle of the Bulge - Day 1 - Need 1 replace

Postby thechuck51 on Wed May 02, 2012 8:55 pm

here is a link to the game I am playing

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Re: Battle of the Bulge - Day 1 - Need 1 replace

Postby thechuck51 on Wed May 02, 2012 9:06 pm

jak111 wrote:
thechuck51 wrote:ask and ye shall receive...

jak111 wrote:So I don't think anyone picked up except one or two that I was even so much as soft claiming until I said I was. So this argument can be dropped, you all chose to pressure me into it, and I wouldn't have even fully claimed if Doom didn't say a single word about it. If you're looking for more to the story there is none, I tried teeth and nails to keep myself hidden but nope, you all started compiling 'cases' and FOS's out of thin air. What did you expect the outcome to be? "Oh yea, I'm VT" <.< Mind you that would've been a smarter thing to do, but of course then it'd be "Let's lynch a VT, they're useless" And if I claimed after that it'd be "Why are you switching your claim? Trying to seem important?"


you were at 3 votes so there wasn't that much pressure even if there were a couple of FOS's. They aren't a big deal until they turn into votes

perhaps leading the league in posts per day wasn't the best way to keep yourself hidden.

not necessarily true. I don't think you can say VT = auto lynch. We have seen with JGordon that many players value activity and you have been very active

fastposted by jak

I can put the doc stuff on the back-burner for now but I intend to re-visit it day 2


As for this, you, Clever, Chap, Everywhere, and / have me confused? You're working together some secret alliance? Perhaps one or two town in between? The four of you are working on cases against a claimed doc when the case is freezing cold and you want more?
First Chuck wants to bring it back up, then / makes a post continuing it, and Chap, Everywhere and Clever follow like sheep.

Though I can make this bet since I'm trying to get good at sniping mafia in D1's and D2's. Out of these 5 I can promise one or two of them are mafia ;)


How about actually replying to what I had to say instead of the same old everybody is out to get me garbage.

jak111 wrote:~Waits for my post on the last page to stop being skimmed before I bother trying to defend myself at all anymore~

-.- See, now people wonder why I don't want to use my power tonight. Because I don't see many really worthy of it. If you don't want to bother even listening to my defense why should I make one and why should I defend someone who skims over it?


Here is a summary of your defense: "How dare attack me! I am the claimed doctor".
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Re: Battle of the Bulge - Day 1 - Need 1 replace

Postby jak111 on Wed May 02, 2012 9:10 pm

thechuck51 wrote:Here is a summary of your defense: "How dare attack me! I am the claimed doctor".


This is ignorance at it's finest. I've given a few lengthy paragraphs a few pages back, which you did not care to read. So why should I make more defenses? They'll be overlooked and twisted more by you lot.
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Re: Battle of the Bulge - Day 1 - Need 1 replace

Postby thechuck51 on Wed May 02, 2012 9:30 pm

jak111 wrote:
thechuck51 wrote:Here is a summary of your defense: "How dare attack me! I am the claimed doctor".


This is ignorance at it's finest. I've given a few lengthy paragraphs a few pages back, which you did not care to read. So why should I make more defenses? They'll be overlooked and twisted more by you lot.


I've already read and commented on your few lengthy paragraphs and you have chosen to ignore what I had to say. You replied to my post but you had nothing to say about what I actually posted.
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Re: Battle of the Bulge - Day 1 - Need 1 replace

Postby everywhere116 on Wed May 02, 2012 10:44 pm

jak111 wrote:
Please Everywhere, save a lot of people a lot of grief of trying to get it through your thick skull, and reread my entire post you JUST quoted... FOS for skimming the post you just quoted Everywhere, there's no way it's a noob error, you've been playing for seems for a while now.

But your original post didn't make much sense, mainly with the unfounded assumptions. For instance, your assumption that there is a 100% chance of you dying tonight if we don't lynch Hitler. We still have very little idea what roles are out there and what kind of redundant protections we have; to believe that your power is the only thing that can save you is very premature. This is all assuming that the scum is going to try to kill you tonight, which is, again, an assumption, although one that is likely to play out.

safariguy5 wrote:Well I'll put my list then.

gimli
sg7
Sparticus

All because they haven't posted much. I'm not really seeing the case on chap or doom, I don't believe there's much merit on any cases currently, and jak and jgordon have made claims that can be reexamined in future days.
So inactive hunting, basically?
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Re: Battle of the Bulge - Day 1 - Need 1 replace

Postby Ragian on Thu May 03, 2012 12:33 am

I don't see any cases worth voting for. We just have a lot of people yelling "skimming" at each other and frankly it's annoying to read the child-like: "You're ugly!" "No, YOU'RE ugly!"

If I am to compile a list, not all of the players on the list would be players I would want to lynch, but prolly players I feel should be pressured for a claim (to be honest, I think we could afford another claim today).

jgordon - if nothing else shows, I have no problem lynching jg as he isn't town
chap - his fights with several people make me think that we could gather a lot from him claiming
dazza - his inactivity could be remedied if we pressured him for a claim

As stated, the bottom two are merely players that could be pressured into claiming (for the reasons stated). I don't see either of the three inherently scummy, but if we found nothing scummier than a 3rd party, jg seems a good a lynch as any.
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Re: Battle of the Bulge - Day 1 - Need 1 replace

Postby safariguy5 on Thu May 03, 2012 1:09 am

everywhere116 wrote:
jak111 wrote:
Please Everywhere, save a lot of people a lot of grief of trying to get it through your thick skull, and reread my entire post you JUST quoted... FOS for skimming the post you just quoted Everywhere, there's no way it's a noob error, you've been playing for seems for a while now.

But your original post didn't make much sense, mainly with the unfounded assumptions. For instance, your assumption that there is a 100% chance of you dying tonight if we don't lynch Hitler. We still have very little idea what roles are out there and what kind of redundant protections we have; to believe that your power is the only thing that can save you is very premature. This is all assuming that the scum is going to try to kill you tonight, which is, again, an assumption, although one that is likely to play out.

safariguy5 wrote:Well I'll put my list then.

gimli
sg7
Sparticus

All because they haven't posted much. I'm not really seeing the case on chap or doom, I don't believe there's much merit on any cases currently, and jak and jgordon have made claims that can be reexamined in future days.
So inactive hunting, basically?

Yeah.

Ragian wrote:I don't see any cases worth voting for. We just have a lot of people yelling "skimming" at each other and frankly it's annoying to read the child-like: "You're ugly!" "No, YOU'RE ugly!"

If I am to compile a list, not all of the players on the list would be players I would want to lynch, but prolly players I feel should be pressured for a claim (to be honest, I think we could afford another claim today).

jgordon - if nothing else shows, I have no problem lynching jg as he isn't town
chap - his fights with several people make me think that we could gather a lot from him claiming
dazza - his inactivity could be remedied if we pressured him for a claim

As stated, the bottom two are merely players that could be pressured into claiming (for the reasons stated). I don't see either of the three inherently scummy, but if we found nothing scummier than a 3rd party, jg seems a good a lynch as any.

+1. The cases currently out there I don't see as vote worthy with the evidence given right now. Now, if more evidence could be later brought in, then they definitely could develop into good cases, but there's just not enough information out there right now.

In regards to jak and the uncertainty regarding his doc claim, I think a moderation in position on both sides would be a good thing.

For the people who doubt jak: Whether or not you believe his doc claim, it is still something that should not be lynched without solid proof that he's lying. I don't believe anybody has brought any good evidence forward. There have been no counter claims. So for Day 1, I think this is the furthest we can push it unless someone has new information.

For jak: As I and others have said before, we don't know what other roles are out there and what night actions could happen. To cast the possible outcomes of Night 1 as either you live or you die depending on what happens to jgordon relies on assumptions that are very tenuous and rely on highly unlikely probabilities. For instance, I believe we have a few manipulative and investigative roles that could help you out. We may even have other protecting roles that could also help. We don't know if there are third party, or roleblockers that might negate the mafia kill. There are a lot of factors, and to say that there are only two true outcomes is simply inaccurate.
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