Actors Mafia Endgame: Town Wins

[zimmah]

Unvote, there are still some things that I want to look at today, and I don't need you guys hammering while I am not paying attention...

wow, last minute unvote in an attempt to buy blake some extra time? hmm, looking at my list, you're one of the few who has never been claimed or inspected unless i missed something. FOS spiesr.

(pretty stupid move and fail distancing, but a FOS you get, still) not even going to bother to say i got fastposted. oh wait, i just did.

[zimmah]

I have been busy, and yes I thought I was dead (eg thought I no longer had any involvement with this game eg why I didn't post earlier today when I finally got time.) If you're determined to kill someone that's telling the truth, then someone swing the hammer. But if I live through the day, I can make sure someone lives through the night.

then tell me why you thought you was dead and was busy for 3 days 1 hour after you casted one of the final votes on edoc. you had all this time to think and you come up with this?

i was hoping for something more funny.

It's the truth zimmah, I don't know what else you want me to say.

very unlikely. seriously. 50 minutes after you voted for someone, he gets lynched, day ends, night starts, nights are 72 hours, in all other nights when someone went 'missing' they got a prod, and even tho strike didn't say he DID prod you, the wording he used makes me beleive he WOULD have prodded you if he thought it would be neccesary. furthermore your claims today contradict themself and the evidence we showed and you're not even going to TRY to prove them wrong.

i say, let's hammer him. nothing more of value will come from him, honestly. and even if he is doc (which is a 0,00000000000056% chance) he's the worst i have EVER seen.

[new guy1]

vote Blake

thats pretty cruel to say even though hes been pretty inactive, but i must agree, if he is a doctor we cant get much more info out of him anyways and if hes scum then thats great... puttin it to L1

[strike wolf]

Vote Count

Bgthebrain
blakebowling (2)-zimmah, bgthebrain, drunkmonkey, newguy1
Zimmah
Mr. Squirrel
Jonty
drunkmonkey
newguy
spiesr
mob deadly
pancakemix
drake 259
safariguy
No lynch

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Blakebowling is at L-2
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Drunk had been the first on the blakebowling wagon so with Spiesr unvoting it is now L-3.

nevermind fast posted.

[zimmah]

vote Blake

thats pretty cruel to say even though hes been pretty inactive, but i must agree, if he is a doctor we cant get much more info out of him anyways and if hes scum then thats great... puttin it to L1

ye let's hope someone actually hammers him after that weird unvote from spiesr.

so just to make sure, he's at L-1 right now, right?

[safariguy5]

I just want to point out that the mod isn't required to prod anyone for night actions. Doesn't matter who they are, but it's up to the individual players to send in their night actions.

Putting aside the whole activity debate, I'm looking at it from a balance standpoint. Balance wise, it makes sense as a claim. Character wise, it's plausible we're talking about a voice actor. Think about it, when was the last time you saw James Earl Jones in a movie?

I don't see what the rush is to lynch him, we're not on a deadline. Let's let everyone analyze the situation, all this talk about when blake posted and when he didn't doesn't seem too reliable to me.

Personally, I'd like to get more discussion before we do anything rash.

Fastposted twice.

[safariguy5]

Unvote, there are still some things that I want to look at today, and I don't need you guys hammering while I am not paying attention...

wow, last minute unvote in an attempt to buy blake some extra time? hmm, looking at my list, you're one of the few who has never been claimed or inspected unless i missed something. FOS spiesr.

(pretty stupid move and fail distancing, but a FOS you get, still) not even going to bother to say i got fastposted. oh wait, i just did.

vote Blake

thats pretty cruel to say even though hes been pretty inactive, but i must agree, if he is a doctor we cant get much more info out of him anyways and if hes scum then thats great... puttin it to L1

ye let's hope someone actually hammers him after that weird unvote from spiesr.

so just to make sure, he's at L-1 right now, right?

zimmah, please slow down some. Again, no need to drop the hammer, things move more slowly here than they do in real life. Posts like that accusing spiesr just because he wanted more discussion don't do anything to help the situation.

A speedlynch does nothing for us. Remember, we can't talk during night. So day is the best time to discuss our leads, because chances are someone isn't going to make it through the night and they may have something we didn't consider.

If I were spiesr, I would have unvoted too. It's not a matter of not believing the case, it's a matter of getting everyone's opinion and seeing if we have any counterclaims. Patience please. I see nothing to suspect spiesr from that unvote. Just because some people have not claimed doesn't mean they automatically have something to hide.

[zimmah]

I just want to point out that the mod isn't required to prod anyone for night actions. Doesn't matter who they are, but it's up to the individual players to send in their night actions.

Putting aside the whole activity debate, I'm looking at it from a balance standpoint. Balance wise, it makes sense as a claim. Character wise, it's plausible we're talking about a voice actor. Think about it, when was the last time you saw James Earl Jones in a movie?

I don't see what the rush is to lynch him, we're not on a deadline. Let's let everyone analyze the situation, all this talk about when blake posted and when he didn't doesn't seem too reliable to me.

Personally, I'd like to get more discussion before we do anything rash.

Fastposted twice.

darth vader?

mufasa would be the obvious choice. also, his claims just don't add up. he really did claim he thought he was dead at first, while i proofed that wrong. i mean, that's quite a big slip-up, isn't it?

any reason NOT to lynch him after such a huge slipup? and that's just one of them, i'm not going to list them all again they're just everywhere in the last 3 pages or so.

and i know prods aren't required, but like i said before, strike has prodded the other nights, so why would he not prod specifically that night?

also, took a carefull look at the wording in this line:

I cannot confirm who I have prodded and who I haven't prodded for night actions as that would prove that they have night actions which compromises the game.

he's using the word WHO and not WHEN, implying he WOULD have prodded IF it would have been needed. if he would have said he couldn't reveal information exactly on WHEN he prodded, that'd be a different story, he's just not revealing WHO he prods. i mean, it's pretty obvious to me.

fastposted (i need to copypasta this word, seriously)

[zimmah]

Unvote, there are still some things that I want to look at today, and I don't need you guys hammering while I am not paying attention...

wow, last minute unvote in an attempt to buy blake some extra time? hmm, looking at my list, you're one of the few who has never been claimed or inspected unless i missed something. FOS spiesr.

(pretty stupid move and fail distancing, but a FOS you get, still) not even going to bother to say i got fastposted. oh wait, i just did.

vote Blake

thats pretty cruel to say even though hes been pretty inactive, but i must agree, if he is a doctor we cant get much more info out of him anyways and if hes scum then thats great... puttin it to L1

ye let's hope someone actually hammers him after that weird unvote from spiesr.

so just to make sure, he's at L-1 right now, right?

zimmah, please slow down some. Again, no need to drop the hammer, things move more slowly here than they do in real life. Posts like that accusing spiesr just because he wanted more discussion don't do anything to help the situation.

A speedlynch does nothing for us. Remember, we can't talk during night. So day is the best time to discuss our leads, because chances are someone isn't going to make it through the night and they may have something we didn't consider.

If I were spiesr, I would have unvoted too. It's not a matter of not believing the case, it's a matter of getting everyone's opinion and seeing if we have any counterclaims. Patience please. I see nothing to suspect spiesr from that unvote. Just because some people have not claimed doesn't mean they automatically have something to hide.

well, not sure how much scum there would be in a 18 person mafia but i'd say about 4 or 5. we found one and a SK, that would leave 3 or 4 more.

let's look at the list:

blue (near 100% chance of being town)
Newguy1 - bulletproof townie altho not 'confirmed' it seems really likely he is in fact town.
zimmah - watcher definitly town (confirmed pretty much by drunk, jonty and VS and probably even by more)
Gillipig / Jonty - busdriver (town) (confirmed by me)
BGTheBrain - Inventor (some kind of JOAT)(town) not sure if anyone confirmed this, but not much reason to doubt him atm
Drunkmonkey - VT (or something) pretty much confirmed by me that he has no role.

orange - reasonable chance of being town, but not really confirmed
Shaggydan / mr. Squirrel (some kind of bastard role that "can kill" with high risk and apperantly a 1-time bulletproof that he no longer has)
safari - bodyguard

red - either nothing is known about them or there's no evidence and strong cases against them

Blakebowling - claimed doc - mufasa
Floresdesmal / drake259 (has a role -used it on VS n1)
Sg7 / Pancakemix
Spiesr


well, it think at least 2, probably 3, and maybe even ALL of the red zones are scum.

[new guy1]

i dont see any reason why we couldnt look into them eventually, but we should probably take it one scum at a time.

[zimmah]

i dont see any reason why we couldnt look into them eventually, but we should probably take it one scum at a time.

i know, we should probably just lynch our 'doctor' right now.

besides, anyone has any problems with my list? ye maybe some of the blues and oranges needs to be swapped but anyway, the reds are pretty much right i'd say.

[safariguy5]

well, not sure how much scum there would be in a 18 person mafia but i'd say about 4 or 5. we found one and a SK, that would leave 3 or 4 more.

let's look at the list:

blue (near 100% chance of being town)
Newguy1 - bulletproof townie altho not 'confirmed' it seems really likely he is in fact town.
zimmah - watcher definitly town (confirmed pretty much by drunk, jonty and VS and probably even by more)
Gillipig / Jonty - busdriver (town) (confirmed by me)
BGTheBrain - Inventor (some kind of JOAT)(town) not sure if anyone confirmed this, but not much reason to doubt him atm
Drunkmonkey - VT (or something) pretty much confirmed by me that he has no role.

orange - reasonable chance of being town, but not really confirmed
Shaggydan / mr. Squirrel (some kind of bastard role that "can kill" with high risk and apperantly a 1-time bulletproof that he no longer has)
safari - bodyguard

red - either nothing is known about them or there's no evidence and strong cases against them

Blakebowling - claimed doc - mufasa
Floresdesmal / drake259 (has a role -used it on VS n1)
Sg7 / Pancakemix
Spiesr


well, it think at least 2, probably 3, and maybe even ALL of the red zones are scum.

First of all, there is no way drunk is VT. This is almost 100% certain that this is a NV game, VT is not a role. I'd guess masoned with Mob if he has no night action, but I'm not 100%.

And Mr. Squirrel more or less confirmed BG by saying BG shot off Mr. Squirrel's one-shot bulletproof vest. As I've said before, that may have been some sort of one-shot godfather protection, so I would put Mr. S somewhere between red and orange. He's being just vague enough to make us think he's town, but not enough to really confirm/disprove anything.

Thirdly, you put yourself as watcher. SCUMSLIP!!! See how easy that is? If you want to believe something is true, you'll continue to believe that despite whatever other people say. It's called confirmation bias, and it can be extremely damaging in mafia. By no means am I defending blake, but I'm saying that to me, there is a case to be made that he honestly forgot about the game. Everyone has a life, and mafia on CC is not always their #1 priority. Considering that you were very nearly the lynchee on Day 1, a bad move may doom an innocent person.

My point is not that I believe blake is innocent. I just think we should give everyone still alive (even those you believe to be scum) a chance to weigh in. If blake doesn't defend himself properly, then I agree hang him. But the "solid case" you guys are pushing basically boils down to a claim on an actor who you think may be Darth Vader and him apparently missing a night action/not posting. Well I've missed night actions and I've seen plenty of people who forgot about games and I kind of believe it's not necessarily really convictable evidence.

As for the James Earl Jones thing, Sam Jackson has played baaad men before, and my role isn't his most famous. So the whole actor flavor being off is debatable IMHO.

[zimmah]

Thirdly, you put yourself as watcher. SCUMSLIP!!!

that's because my ORIGINAL role PM said watcher, but that was a mistake from the mod. i forgot to chance that in my .txt file.

[zimmah]

My point is not that I believe blake is innocent. I just think we should give everyone still alive (even those you believe to be scum) a chance to weigh in. If blake doesn't defend himself properly, then I agree hang him.

he already replied to this particular case more times then all his day 1 though day 4 posts COMBINED. and he kept saying the same 3 things.

he thought he died, and after i proved that was highly unlikely due to him just posting 50 minutes before night he said he didn't have time, while he's modding another mafia game AND is active on another. inconsistent much? what more are you waiting for, seriously?

[spiesr]

Hey strike, while you are handing out prods, would you consider throwing one Drake's way? His last post in this game was on Wednesday, and now that is like 14 pages ago...

On a related note, did anyone get blocked last night? Since apparently in this game you are informed of when you are blocked no matter what role you have, I think it is safe and won't reveal anything bad if everyone comes out and tells us when they where blocked throughout the game. It should help me put this puzzle together.

Anyhow, I am still looking to complete this goal today. I assume that Zimmah, BGtheBrain, Safariguy, Jonty, and Blakebowling haven't been blocked last night based on what they describe their actions as If Mr. Squirrel, Newguy, and Drunkmonkey could confirm one way or the other that would be good. Then I just need Drake and Pancakemix to get a chance to respond to that post. With any luck, these last few data points will be enough to give me all the information that I need to send this game into the final stages.

[zimmah]

Hey strike, while you are handing out prods, would you consider throwing one Drake's way? His last post in this game was on Wednesday, and now that is like 14 pages ago...

On a related note, did anyone get blocked last night? Since apparently in this game you are informed of when you are blocked no matter what role you have, I think it is safe and won't reveal anything bad if everyone comes out and tells us when they where blocked throughout the game. It should help me put this puzzle together.

Anyhow, I am still looking to complete this goal today. I assume that Zimmah, BGtheBrain, Safariguy, Jonty, and Blakebowling haven't been blocked last night based on what they describe their actions as If Mr. Squirrel, Newguy, and Drunkmonkey could confirm one way or the other that would be good. Then I just need Drake and Pancakemix to get a chance to respond to that post. With any luck, these last few data points will be enough to give me all the information that I need to send this game into the final stages.

you have never provided us with any information at all, and you ask for other peoples statements? even while being basicly at the bottom of the list yourself?

[blakebowling]

IMO zimmah is becoming the new Rodion.

[Mr. Squirrel]

I'm just waiting for the counterclaim.

Blake, I don't believe a word of your defense. I just want one of these unclaimed players to counterclaim you first though before I add my vote. Something tells me they will.

IMO zimmah is becoming the new Rodion.

Seriously zimmah, I think you forgot to take your adderall.

[pancakemix]

I'd like to post something ore in-depth, but it's 3 am and I should be asleep. Hopefully tomorrow or Wed I can post something meaningful.

In the meantime, I'll say I'm in a game with blake and he missed a turn during the night timeframe. Make of that what you will.

[safariguy5]

Hey strike, while you are handing out prods, would you consider throwing one Drake's way? His last post in this game was on Wednesday, and now that is like 14 pages ago...

On a related note, did anyone get blocked last night? Since apparently in this game you are informed of when you are blocked no matter what role you have, I think it is safe and won't reveal anything bad if everyone comes out and tells us when they where blocked throughout the game. It should help me put this puzzle together.

Anyhow, I am still looking to complete this goal today. I assume that Zimmah, BGtheBrain, Safariguy, Jonty, and Blakebowling haven't been blocked last night based on what they describe their actions as If Mr. Squirrel, Newguy, and Drunkmonkey could confirm one way or the other that would be good. Then I just need Drake and Pancakemix to get a chance to respond to that post. With any luck, these last few data points will be enough to give me all the information that I need to send this game into the final stages.

you have never provided us with any information at all, and you ask for other peoples statements? even while being basicly at the bottom of the list yourself?

Well I personally don't mind if spiesr wants to do a little digging. After all, I've already claimed and declared my actions, there's nothing left I can offer as information. Besides, don't you care about the unclaimed players? Assuming the claimed players are all telling the truth, this potentially narrows down the list. If spiesr wants to have a shot at finding mafia, I'm all for it. Proactive scum hunting is better than just sitting around and taking random shots in the dark with no evidence. Love the enthusiasm zimmah, but accusing all the unclaimed people as being mafia doesn't really help much, especially since we still have many roles out there that haven't been 100% confirmed.

[drake_259]

vote: blake

Sorry about inactivity today, very busy recently, anyway

With all the scumslip and etc, I do not believe blake is the so called doctor.

and about why i targeted VS D1, I dunno why she choose him.

[drunkmonkey]

and about why i targeted VS D1, I dunno why she choose him.

Well, I assume she had the same ability you do. This answer isn't good enough. You're still #2 on my list.

[jonty125]

6 flipping pages in 24 hours

I think the blake case is the worst I ever seen - closely followed by betiko in the Nightmare Before Christmas.

vote drake

[jonty125]

6 flipping pages in 24 hours

I think the blake case is the worst I ever seen - closely followed by betiko in the Nightmare Before Christmas.

vote drake

EBWOP For not being around and then hopping on the BW

[drunkmonkey]

Did you ever get your character name from strike?