[UNKNOWN] Mafia Day 5 - The Disappearance [Abandoned]

[DoomYoshi]

I am his (AoG's) mod in Pokemon and I think he was in Official Mafia too. Why do you ask?

I disagree with a few things Rodion has done. His case wasn't entirely rock solid. However, it was Bleed's choice to answer. The math argument was silly, but I think that Rodion isn't used to roles which have sideplot storylines yet.

If he stops my lynch, that would be a better choice:)

Also you mentioned that a spirited defense can hide holes... the holes in Terminator were obvious a mile away though, so I don`t know where you came up with this idea. On the one hand, a spirited defense has a lot of words, and things can get lost in the back and forth (see freezie and me arguing a single point earlier; that single point was almost impossible to bring up). On the other hand, a spirited defense can attract a lot more attention and require closer reading.

Luckily for you, I have had a change of heart and I have decided that it is not right to vote somebody for just presenting a case. If you had never brought forth a case, no discussion would have resulted. Unfortunately, the experienced players are probably not going to fall into simple scumtell traps, so I am not sure how else I can get you.

unvote

The case is much more than just bring up a case. Also you seem quite quick to backdown when not much has changed...

I was thinking about it all night. Much has changed in my frame of mind, not necessarily in game. I agree with what you are saying about the arguing circles around someone, and that is what originally caused me to reread and to vote. However, I don't think that strike successfully argued circles around anyone here. Obviously, some investigative roles will hit either strike or rodion and we will have some information tomorrow. I think that even if strike is scum, he will be aware that we are watching him and will therefore be more careful today. I haven't noticed any clear connections to strike, which is depressing.

@Target: Please read the community guidelines. All Caps is frowned upon on CC.

[Fircoal]

I am his (AoG's) mod in Pokemon and I think he was in Official Mafia too. Why do you ask?

I disagree with a few things Rodion has done. His case wasn't entirely rock solid. However, it was Bleed's choice to answer. The math argument was silly, but I think that Rodion isn't used to roles which have sideplot storylines yet.

If he stops my lynch, that would be a better choice:)

Also you mentioned that a spirited defense can hide holes... the holes in Terminator were obvious a mile away though, so I don`t know where you came up with this idea. On the one hand, a spirited defense has a lot of words, and things can get lost in the back and forth (see freezie and me arguing a single point earlier; that single point was almost impossible to bring up). On the other hand, a spirited defense can attract a lot more attention and require closer reading.

Luckily for you, I have had a change of heart and I have decided that it is not right to vote somebody for just presenting a case. If you had never brought forth a case, no discussion would have resulted. Unfortunately, the experienced players are probably not going to fall into simple scumtell traps, so I am not sure how else I can get you.

unvote

The case is much more than just bring up a case. Also you seem quite quick to backdown when not much has changed...

I was thinking about it all night. Much has changed in my frame of mind, not necessarily in game. I agree with what you are saying about the arguing circles around someone, and that is what originally caused me to reread and to vote. However, I don't think that strike successfully argued circles around anyone here. Obviously, some investigative roles will hit either strike or rodion and we will have some information tomorrow. I think that even if strike is scum, he will be aware that we are watching him and will therefore be more careful today. I haven't noticed any clear connections to strike, which is depressing.

@Target: Please read the community guidelines. All Caps is frowned upon on CC.

I think most of us believe that Rodion is town.

Also what did you think about in your night thoughts. Please tell us all.

CAPS LOCK IS THE CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL.

[Commander9]

I feel we're going to have a no lynch unless we extend the deadline..On my part my vote stays on Doom.

Since the discussions have picked up, I am extending the deadline until June 7th, possibly to June 8th (that's the final date). A player with the most votes at that time will have a 50% of being lynched.

[strike wolf]

Also you mentioned that a spirited defense can hide holes... the holes in Terminator were obvious a mile away though, so I don`t know where you came up with this idea. On the one hand, a spirited defense has a lot of words, and things can get lost in the back and forth (see freezie and me arguing a single point earlier; that single point was almost impossible to bring up). On the other hand, a spirited defense can attract a lot more attention and require closer reading.

Glaringly obvious...but who ended up lynched? And even with at least one of his scummates voting for him it was tied 3-3 in votes with the other half against the claimed cop. I could probably add the naxus case in here too. Naxus came up with a counter claim to blake that had a lot of holes and people were fooled enough to vote blake...

@ freezie and doom: excluding this game how many games have you played with aog? Especially more recent games.

I think I know why you're asking that, but outside of this one, pokemon is the only other game I played with AoG...Or the only one I remember, at least.

This game was the first one.


I feel we're going to have a no lynch unless we extend the deadline..On my part my vote stays on Doom.

You were in the Terminator mafia with him too. The point I wanted to make if you two had experience with aog beyond one or two games which doesn't appear to be the case is that he almost always makes bad jokes like the one that got him in trouble in this game. If either of you had had extensive experience with him you would have a. Known that and b. Known that lately he has developed a problem where he tends to deadbeat out of games...and if you had known those two facts you probably should have been able to tell there was no case on aog for those reasons, since it doesn't appear either of you two remember having more than played two games with him it is however a non-issue.

I am his (AoG's) mod in Pokemon and I think he was in Official Mafia too. Why do you ask?

I disagree with a few things Rodion has done. His case wasn't entirely rock solid. However, it was Bleed's choice to answer. The math argument was silly, but I think that Rodion isn't used to roles which have sideplot storylines yet.

If he stops my lynch, that would be a better choice:)

Also you mentioned that a spirited defense can hide holes... the holes in Terminator were obvious a mile away though, so I don`t know where you came up with this idea. On the one hand, a spirited defense has a lot of words, and things can get lost in the back and forth (see freezie and me arguing a single point earlier; that single point was almost impossible to bring up). On the other hand, a spirited defense can attract a lot more attention and require closer reading.

Luckily for you, I have had a change of heart and I have decided that it is not right to vote somebody for just presenting a case. If you had never brought forth a case, no discussion would have resulted. Unfortunately, the experienced players are probably not going to fall into simple scumtell traps, so I am not sure how else I can get you.

unvote

The case is much more than just bring up a case. Also you seem quite quick to backdown when not much has changed...

A large part of your argument hinges around me going after rodion based around him being the easy target. I have argued why I do not believe he is an easy target so unless you can actually come up with reasons how his argument wasn't scummy there is really nothing more for me to answer.

[DoomYoshi]

I am his (AoG's) mod in Pokemon and I think he was in Official Mafia too. Why do you ask?

I disagree with a few things Rodion has done. His case wasn't entirely rock solid. However, it was Bleed's choice to answer. The math argument was silly, but I think that Rodion isn't used to roles which have sideplot storylines yet.

If he stops my lynch, that would be a better choice:)

Also you mentioned that a spirited defense can hide holes... the holes in Terminator were obvious a mile away though, so I don`t know where you came up with this idea. On the one hand, a spirited defense has a lot of words, and things can get lost in the back and forth (see freezie and me arguing a single point earlier; that single point was almost impossible to bring up). On the other hand, a spirited defense can attract a lot more attention and require closer reading.

Luckily for you, I have had a change of heart and I have decided that it is not right to vote somebody for just presenting a case. If you had never brought forth a case, no discussion would have resulted. Unfortunately, the experienced players are probably not going to fall into simple scumtell traps, so I am not sure how else I can get you.

unvote

The case is much more than just bring up a case. Also you seem quite quick to backdown when not much has changed...

I was thinking about it all night. Much has changed in my frame of mind, not necessarily in game. I agree with what you are saying about the arguing circles around someone, and that is what originally caused me to reread and to vote. However, I don't think that strike successfully argued circles around anyone here. Obviously, some investigative roles will hit either strike or rodion and we will have some information tomorrow. I think that even if strike is scum, he will be aware that we are watching him and will therefore be more careful today. I haven't noticed any clear connections to strike, which is depressing.

@Target: Please read the community guidelines. All Caps is frowned upon on CC.

I think most of us believe that Rodion is town.

Also what did you think about in your night thoughts. Please tell us all.

CAPS LOCK IS THE CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL.

My original theory on mafia was that when two probably townies are arguing, it makes the most sense to go after the one who first presented the case on the other. There is evidence of me using this strategy as far back as Albarezzi. Last night, it occured to me that voting someone for presenting a case rewards those who don't contribute. So, I had a change in strategy, not necessarily to do with this game. My strategy is still in flux, which can be expected since I am very new to mafia.

How this applies to strike wolf: he thought Rodion was scummy. Others agreed with him, and others were convinced by his argument. If I give him the benefit of the doubt, and assume that he legitimately thought that Rodion was scummy (and I will never agree with his argument, but I can understand it) then there is no reason to vote him. If I assume he is scum, and was building a case out of nothing to get a townie lynched then I have a reason to vote him. Since I have no evidence on him, except the case itself, I have to give him the benefit of the doubt. I am just saying that building a case is the action. Now I just need motive to be able to vote him. I don't have proof of that except within the case itself. Ergo, unvote.

[safariguy5]

Can we prod karel and sheep?

[Commander9]

Can we prod karel and sheep?

They both have already been replaced.

[strike wolf]

Perhaps update the player list?

Sheep replaced by tonka

Karel replaced by gimli

[DoomYoshi]

Doom replaced by yoshi.

[shieldgenerator7]

Doom replaced by yoshi.

(sorry I just had to say that was funny)

[freezie]

You were in the Terminator mafia with him too. The point I wanted to make if you two had experience with aog beyond one or two games which doesn't appear to be the case is that he almost always makes bad jokes like the one that got him in trouble in this game. If either of you had had extensive experience with him you would have a. Known that and b. Known that lately he has developed a problem where he tends to deadbeat out of games...and if you had known those two facts you probably should have been able to tell there was no case on aog for those reasons, since it doesn't appear either of you two remember having more than played two games with him it is however a non-issue.

I had completly forgotten I was in Terminator with him But you are right that was probably the only time he actually played the game instead of fucking around.

Pokemon happened after this game, and since I have not been paying attention to AoG's actions.

[freezie]

I had completly forgotten I was in Terminator with him But you are right that was probably the only time he actually played the game instead of fucking around.

Pokemon happened after this game, and since I have not been paying attention to AoG's actions.

I looked back at my sentence and it could lead to confusion. I mean by I have not been paying attention to AoG that I don't care anymore since he's acting like a dick and it's not worth paying attention to him.

[DoomYoshi]

I don't understand what AoG has to do with anything strike. He got NKed.

[pancakemix]

God, this is a mess...

The OMGUS thing makes even more of what Rodion said earlier absolutely pointless because it was simply lost in translation. If the extension had come sooner, I think it would have been more helpful. At this point, it's just extending a day where the only productive thing that could happen is a Rodion lynch, despite the fact that that's not even that useful. The best thing for us right now, I think, is to have a fresh day to work with. It will help us gather our thoughts and start on the cases which are already before us but don't have time to build on right now.

Unvoting or not won't really make too much difference at this point since I doubt that Rodion will actually get lynched, so I'll keep my vote where it is. Signs point to Rodion getting the 50/50 lynch chance, however.

And strike, I'm not sure why you asked about AoG either. Care to elaborate?

[targetman377]

Ok, sorry about the caps (by the way i was using shift not caps lock ) ok but back to the game!

@pancakemix how in the name do you think there would be any benefit from town not lynching. I may be new to this game but every strategy guide online has said that It is best if town always lynches. Even if there is no evidence a no lynch is giving the mafia to much of the lead? yes I know that this day has become rather long and the arguments have begone to just be words. But all of this is evidence that can be used latter on in the game. To build a much better case against people

[edocsil]

Ok, sorry about the caps (by the way i was using shift not caps lock ) ok but back to the game!

@pancakemix how in the name do you think there would be any benefit from town not lynching. I may be new to this game but every strategy guide online has said that It is best if town always lynches. Even if there is no evidence a no lynch is giving the mafia to much of the lead? yes I know that this day has become rather long and the arguments have begone to just be words. But all of this is evidence that can be used latter on in the game. To build a much better case against people

The logic fails if the players are not all two things,

Relatively equal skill level
Good, experienced players

What is true on mafiascum isn't always true here.

[strike wolf]

My reason for bringing it up was as follows. People who have played with aog (especially recently) know that he can be agoof with a tendency to make jokes that get misinterpreted when he is active but often goes inactive fairly quickly. So if freezie and doom had played enough games with aog to learn his unfortunate habits than they would know voting him over the reasons target had brought up would be immature voting as it is just standard habits from aog...that being said the number of games I would say it takes to learn habits is possibly 3 but more likely after 4 or 5 so since it does not appear that either doomyoshi or freezie had much experience with aog prior to this game there is no argument to be made on that subject.

On the no lynch issue, there are very few incidents where a no lynch is better than a lynch and most of those scenarios apply more for smaller size games.

[pancakemix]

Ok, sorry about the caps (by the way i was using shift not caps lock ) ok but back to the game!

@pancakemix how in the name do you think there would be any benefit from town not lynching. I may be new to this game but every strategy guide online has said that It is best if town always lynches. Even if there is no evidence a no lynch is giving the mafia to much of the lead? yes I know that this day has become rather long and the arguments have begone to just be words. But all of this is evidence that can be used latter on in the game. To build a much better case against people

It wasn't a proposal of suggested action so much as it was a statement of inevitability. I was saying Rodion is the only possible lynch, and it's not going to tell us much either way. That said, I doubt even that will happen and the 50/50 will determine the lynch outcome because either people don't put much stock in the Rodion case or they're too confused/don't want to read it all to form an opinion. Plus, I'm seeing like 4 cases crop up in 4 pages.

That's why I'm keeping my vote where it is, because I don't think it will make a difference. It still could, and if it does that's fine. I don't expect it to though because I don't expect Rodion to actually be lynched. As for wanting a new day, it's good to stop and collect one's thoughts. A clean slate on Day 3 will go a long way with helping that regrouping.

[safariguy5]

Especially since Rodion and his posts have dominated this day, I think everyone's a little burned out from talking about him, and I don't think we can get the numbers for a speedlynch, especially a game this size.

[Rodion]

Especially since Rodion and his posts have dominated this day, I think everyone's a little burned out from talking about him, and I don't think we can get the numbers for a speedlynch, especially a game this size.

If we find something really strong against someone, it's possible (see Gilligan's speedlynch in Team CC mafia).

[gimli1990]

well i still think that the best case is on rodian after reading this thing again. but there is not much of a case there. pancake wanting a No lynch is interesting i think a lynch would be better then a none lynch.

[strike wolf]

Well edoc hasn't responded to anything I have brought up about him but it doesn't seem many are willing to give it attention. I also feel that since the pressure hasn't really been on her, vio is looking increasingly suspicious even beyond the case already presented about her and while I do not feel that a lynch of her is likely today I feel that with the case known about rodion, vio should probably be pressured. Still I would like to hear bleed's answer to my question.

[edocsil]

Please extend the deadline

I have reread the thread and some preliminary thoughts:

First off I have some major suspicions about edoc. He first spent pretty much all of day one and all of the serious part of day 1 bemoaning shield's presence in the game. His actions did not involve any real scum hunting and he really didn't even get that far into the reasons why shield should be lynched. Day 2 he has been a bit more active and come up with two cases but has otherwise sparsely at best about other cases and while spending the early part of day one participating in the lover fllavor spec has since bemoaned further flavor spec saying attention should be spent on scum hunting which I find i ronic considering his (lack of) day 1 contributions and the fact he has only made a point of forming any kind of case and questioning only two players today.

Are you getting a sense that he has reassigned his gender too?

I always had freezie figured for a chick too. There is reason I have my gender displayed....

Anyway. Went back through the thread. Damn did we spam it up, there was nothing of substance in there hardly at all and then today we have 7 pages of questions about love triangles.

This part is just ironic seeing his day 1 actions...

I assume you meant this? I thought I responded, perhaps I forgot/ignored it. It seems like the heart of it is my lack of D1 participation which occurred during my finals week and my first two weeks back at home trying to find an internship. That combined with my Opinions about shield kept me from really making any cases, on top of the fact that it is D1, nothing worthwhile happens D1, it just gives us fodder for latter days. Today I made 2 cases, both of which were largely ignored. 2 decent cases is more then a lot of people can claim for today so I don't honestly see what the problem is.

[strike wolf]

Hmm...I guess that is fair enough...I often do forget about when some people have had finals.

[pancakemix]

well i still think that the best case is on rodian after reading this thing again. but there is not much of a case there. pancake wanting a No lynch is interesting i think a lynch would be better then a none lynch.

...

I don't want a no lynch, I just think there will be one. Did you read what I wrote?