GODFATHER MAFIA - FINALLY OVER! CORLEONES WIN!!!

[rebelman]

good call re. milli / - sounds like something worth pursuing


unvote vote mili

[Iliad]

Not whiny riggable, realistic. If I was scum, I'd be putting up a fight.... see previous games... lol. Hopefully the town will learn alot from my bandwagon... as everyone seems quick to jump on it like the lil lazy lemmings you are instead of realizing how easily you're being manipulated by a mafia cop.

Actually being indifferent is very scummy. For example you haven't even claimed yet, if you were town surely you wouldn't need all this time to read your pm ?

[Iliad]

Vote: wicked
The way I look at it is this, wicked comes out town, / dies tomorrow; wicked is scum, / gets some protection tonight. For the time being I'm willing to trust /'s cop claim, I have no reason not to especially since I've seen him do this exact thing before and actually be the cop.

The way I see it if wicked comes out town or 3rd party other cops(which I am assuming there are) investigate her

The problem with your hypothesis is regardless of what she comes out, she'll be dead so there won't be any body else investigating her. She's already been investigated by one cop and now she's being lynched, been following this game much?

When I said she I meant /. Kal -

[Iliad]

Not whiny riggable, realistic. If I was scum, I'd be putting up a fight.... see previous games... lol. Hopefully the town will learn alot from my bandwagon... as everyone seems quick to jump on it like the lil lazy lemmings you are instead of realizing how easily you're being manipulated by a mafia cop.

Actually being indifferent is very scummy. For example you haven't even claimed yet, if you were town surely you wouldn't need all this time to read your pm ?

shit I was re-reading the thread and didn't know she already died

[Iliad]

Don't believe everything you read.

can someone ban her for threadjacking? Oh wait she is the righteous mod, what a coincedence

[wicked]

It's not threadjacking dork, was completely on-topic. I just die a slooooow death. or am I dead?

[Neoteny]

Children, children, shall we continue?

[Iliad]

It's not threadjacking dork, was completely on-topic. I just die a slooooow death. or am I dead?

You're trying to derail this thread from the topic of the actual game about the people alive.

You're dead as dead so don't be a *****

[Iliad]

lol wat a waste of a day kill..
noob alert. or scum did it to throw us off. force us to lynch someone else
hmmm

It was a fucking brilliant kill, to be honest. The 2 best 'weapons' the scum have are indecisive people and general confusion. In a chaotic game you can get away with anything.

but mafia is pretty much a race of the mafia killing the town and the town uncovering who the mafia is. This effectively gives us an extra day=Awesome for town

[Iliad]

good call re. milli / - sounds like something worth pursuing


unvote vote mili

there's something about your actions that I don't like. I have to re-read but I think you were the one who aligned yourself with wicked but I have to re-read last day to make sure

[lord voldemort]

a tiny fos on mili. its something but not a whole lot
i am fairly certain we can trust / night actions now. and tha kalish not revealing thing im happy til tomorrow

[nagerous]

Vote Count:

Nark (1) Mandy
Militant (1) Rebelman


25 ½ people
13 to lynch!

[nagerous]

Prods will now be sent.

[Neutrino]

Pfft, I had just finished re-reading when I got that prod...

Anyways, someone was either a large way through their stash when they sent in that kill, or it was an element of a brilliant plan. Unfortunately, it is often difficult to tell genius from absolute stupidity.
I mentally construced some kind of super-plan while re-reading, wherein "/" was being used to gain the town's trust, while the Mafia killed off one of their less useful members (Politician isn't that great a role at the best of times, and any competant Mafia members know that wicked is going to get lynched or nightkilled for no real reason eventually, so they might as well make her life useful) then use "/" to lead the town on a merry chase. After considering the degree of risk and timing this would take, with a relatively inexperienced member, I would be inclined to believe Kalish's (I think it was Kalish, anyway) theory.

Anyways, I too would like to hear Kalish's reasoning. However, I doubt that's going to happen without a major bandwagon.

In other news, FOS: Rebelman for blatant pre-bandwagon bandwagoning. Even the author of the post you were supporting wasn't certain enough to offer a vote. While I do agree that Militant needs a little investigation, your bandwagong also makes me suspicious of you.

[militant]

I wasnt sure if it was a good idea to lynch wicked. If i remember correctly, there was a bit of discussion yesterday about /'s sanity, all i was doing was finding out what everybody else thought about /. The last thing we need is a quick lynch that has not been thought through, so i was thinking about it

[CrabNebula]

Mood lifted up somewhat and hence my post.

This is a doubtful speculation but speculation nonetheless:
What if wicked didn't steal smeone's vote and then told AD to say he had his vote stolen so it looked lke AD was town?

And wicked: stop thread jacking and generally trying to piss people off/get attention

Good point. I skim.

*sits in mandy's hole*

How have you forgotten your PR? FOS: firth

It looks to me that either it was genuine mistake or you did a really bad job of faking it!

More will come as go back through the pages.

[rebelman]

i was slow to kill fircoal day 1 as i believed he was a town cop and either would never be scum or was not scum yet (i was proven correct in the not a scum cop yet part) but im glad hes dead as he would have gone scummy as is obvious now - i was i believe the first person to vote for wiki based on what / had said, so i led the lynch on her as for my vote on mili i think as of now in the absense of a strong alternative its staying where it is

[firth4eva]

Mood lifted up somewhat and hence my post.

This is a doubtful speculation but speculation nonetheless:
What if wicked didn't steal smeone's vote and then told AD to say he had his vote stolen so it looked lke AD was town?

And wicked: stop thread jacking and generally trying to piss people off/get attention

Good point. I skim.

*sits in mandy's hole*

How have you forgotten your PR? FOS: firth

It looks to me that either it was genuine mistake or you did a really bad job of faking it!

More will come as go back through the pages.

Oh f*ck. FFS. I forgot. But check the 2nd post of the thread(I think) and it will verify it.

[Clive]

I don't think forgetting about a post restriction is scummy.

As some people have mentioned, I think it's more likely someone had a good reason for not wanting to end the day yet.

AD seems to be posting a lot and is proven (as far as i'm concerned, anyway) not to be a Corleone...I suppose it's possible he's in a 2nd scum faction, but he looks like town to me.

[Selin]

Given the fact that gimpy, F1fth and wicked were Carleone mafia, let's start analyzing last two days' posts; who they voted, who they defended, who voted them, who defended them etc.

1) F1fth voted Serbia for being active before and after day kill scenes

2) Gimpy and f1fth vote icedagger as 4th and 7th votes

3) riggable Fosses F1fth because of icedagger bandwagon

4) wicked doen't believe /'s claim and attacks him

5) ML fosses especially wicked
>> Conclusion: mafia carleone members and non-mafia carleone members do not know each other.

6) militant agrees with wicked on the claim of /

7) wicked votes icedagger as the 11th vote.
>> Conclusion: There are now 3 known Carleone scum who voted for Icedagger. Icedagger is definetly not Carleone mafia, he can be townie or Barzini mafia or an independent role.

8 ) gimpy votes Selin after my comments on Fircoal and / case: "This post really made me think that Selin is scum. He's basically saying that fricoal is in his scum group so we shouldn't worry about lynching scum. this post reeks of evil intentions so unvote vote selin"

9a) on day 2 after /'s claim on wicked, militant posts: "Although we have a result, can we lynch wicked on that basis, since we still dont know the sanity of /. I am not defending her by any means, but all i am saying is if we are having up to 3 deaths a night, we should not rush into a lynch, that could possibly hurt the town even more."
9b) another post of militant: "Ok, i believe / is sane since he gets all that information. I watched the film just last week, and this Tom hagen, was as AD says treated like a member of the family, which makes it hard to believe that he would be third party, but as Nag said in the rules:
Mod wrote:16. In regards to this game and claiming, I'm just warning you that it is dangerous. This is because some town names just generally cannot be trusted. Other roles don't even come with names so be very careful. I have done this deliberately to prevent a "mass claim" to help out the town
I am going to refrain from voting, wicked could be third party because of this."
>> Conclusion: Despite the very obvious roleclaim of /, a proven cop, militant doesn't vote wicked.

SFOS: militant

10) Selin votes wicked. 5 minutes later Wicked posts: "Oh, I was also told in my role that I could trust Selin, that's all I can help with before you guys fry me."

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[Anarkistsdream]

I don't think forgetting about a post restriction is scummy.

As some people have mentioned, I think it's more likely someone had a good reason for not wanting to end the day yet.

AD seems to be posting a lot and is proven (as far as i'm concerned, anyway) not to be a Corleone...I suppose it's possible he's in a 2nd scum faction, but he looks like town to me.

Well, as I said. It would make sense for the daykiller to have seen that Wicked was about to be lynched. That would guarantee that the daykiller is not a Corleone. What it also says is that they thought it would be better to just vig her, knowing she was scum, and still giving us the opportunity to lynch someone else.

If the daykiller hadn't done that, they would basically have forfeited their kill for the day.

Oh, and thanks for the confidence Clive.

[Selin]

The case Anarkistdream:

1) the1exile: "Nark seems to be taking offence as the best form of defence and accusing the so-called bandwagonners of being scum despite knowing full well that a two or three man bandwagon on the first day of a 17-to-lynch game means next to nothing. seems to me like he's trying top act like super-townie to cover his arse later on...."

2a) AD: "Well, I really hate to do this because I still think he is innocent. Unvote, Vote IceDagger"
>> Conclusion: Although AD believes Ice is townie, he votes him, (giving impression he is just following the majority, and he will probably argue after ice's lynch 'I knew he was innocent, I told you!')
2b) Kalish: "Yep I'll go ahead and give a FOS: AD for that one. Generally speaking of course, townies don't normally say 'lets ynch the innocent guy"
2c) The1exile: "I would definitely have an FOS on AD..."

3) AD: "This is very true. What is also true is that McClusky is the most evil sonofabitch around. Fircoal even admitted that was his name! I can't believe that the town wouldn't vote to lynch the guy who has said he was one of the most corrupt cops in New York!
Unvote
I think Fircoal should be lynched, and we see what comes of it. McClusky was NEVER a pro-town cop in the book or movie."
>> Conclusion: AD gives all the reasons to vote Fircoal, but doesn't vote him. He is trying to get some more votes on Fircoal without bringing himself on the vote list yet.

4)After tonka's vote on Fircoal, now AD also votes Fircoal

5a) firth asks / about waiting for day kills; wicked posts this issue again and AD immediately jumps on that: "DAMN! Good catch firth, and good to bring it back up, Wicked."
>> Conclusion: AD is trying to push Fircoal's lynch on the one hand, but didn't miss the opportunity to question the other cop for later use. He is trying to get rid of the cops actually.
5b) Firth sayson /'s response: "BUSTED!I think. In my head it sounded like he meant he knew there were daykillers. Anyone else think I'm fucked in the head or am I making sense?"
AD again doesn't miss the opportunity: "Yeah, it certainly sounds odd, because how the hell would "/" know how many day killers there are?"

6) AD is further working for the town (!) and publishes a list of non-active players

7a) firth asks "why wicked mentioned Selin in her post" and again AD jumps immediately on that post: "Because he is Michael Corleone, and needs to be offed next", not even questioning why wicked names me short before her lynch!
7b) mandy votes AD reasoning: "a) Wicked's game was a bit too obvious for you to fall for it for real and b) who gives a f*ck about Michael at this point? Only the rival Mafia."
7c) AD answers: "What 'game' are you talking about? Michael is a GODFATHER, Mandy. Everyone should care about him, because he still has the power to kill one of us each night. That was the worst logic I have ever seen, Mandy."
7d) Some posts after AD says to mandy: "So far, I have been nothing but helpful to the town, which should prove my innocence."
>> Conclusion: This has been exactly the tactic of AD over and over during the 2 days.

Selin asks why wicked names him very shortly before her lynch and AD answers: "I already posted why. Because she thought she would get away without being lynched"
>> Conclusion: This answer was nonsense due to the fact that wicked was very close to lynch after the cop's revealing her role

9) AD has been super active during both days, started to post directly after nagereous' scenes both on day 1 and 2. In both cases we had our day kills in 3 hours after the start of the day.
>> Conclusion: AD is one of the main candidates for day vig.


>> Final conclusion on AD: AD is a member of Barzini scum family, the day vig of Barzini's.

Vote: AD

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[icedagger]

Selin's post makes alot of sense.. I've been getting scummy vibes off AD as well

[red] Vote AD

[icedagger]

Selin's post makes alot of sense.. I've been getting scummy vibes off AD as well

Vote AD

[Anarkistsdream]

Convienent that you come after me after I have posted that I already thought you were Michael Corleone.

So, since this is already a load of bullocks, let me explain why.

The case Anarkistdream:

1) the1exile: "Nark seems to be taking offence as the best form of defence and accusing the so-called bandwagonners of being scum despite knowing full well that a two or three man bandwagon on the first day of a 17-to-lynch game means next to nothing. seems to me like he's trying top act like super-townie to cover his arse later on...."

2a) AD: "Well, I really hate to do this because I still think he is innocent. Unvote, Vote IceDagger"
>> Conclusion: Although AD believes Ice is townie, he votes him, (giving impression he is just following the majority, and he will probably argue after ice's lynch 'I knew he was innocent, I told you!')
2b) Kalish: "Yep I'll go ahead and give a FOS: AD for that one. Generally speaking of course, townies don't normally say 'lets ynch the innocent guy"
2c) The1exile: "I would definitely have an FOS on AD..."

Guys, I said that because I thought he was innocnet. And, so far, it was true. But a convincing argument convinces nonetheless, and you can't blame me for actually wanting the town to have a lynch. That's really all I can say about that one.

3) AD: "This is very true. What is also true is that McClusky is the most evil sonofabitch around. Fircoal even admitted that was his name! I can't believe that the town wouldn't vote to lynch the guy who has said he was one of the most corrupt cops in New York!
Unvote
I think Fircoal should be lynched, and we see what comes of it. McClusky was NEVER a pro-town cop in the book or movie."
>> Conclusion: AD gives all the reasons to vote Fircoal, but doesn't vote him. He is trying to get some more votes on Fircoal without bringing himself on the vote list yet.

Because I had already been accused of throwing around votes more than once. Forgive me if I didn't feel like dealing with it again. Maybe if people would quit bitching about things like that, I would have. Maybe I wouldn't have. But your reasoning here is faulty.

4)After tonka's vote on Fircoal, now AD also votes Fircoal

Because people AGREED with me... And, guess what? I WAS RIGHT!

5a) firth asks / about waiting for day kills; wicked posts this issue again and AD immediately jumps on that: "DAMN! Good catch firth, and good to bring it back up, Wicked."
>> Conclusion: AD is trying to push Fircoal's lynch on the one hand, but didn't miss the opportunity to question the other cop for later use. He is trying to get rid of the cops actually.
5b) Firth sayson /'s response: "BUSTED!I think. In my head it sounded like he meant he knew there were daykillers. Anyone else think I'm fucked in the head or am I making sense?"
AD again doesn't miss the opportunity: "Yeah, it certainly sounds odd, because how the hell would "/" know how many day killers there are?"

And this wasn't logical? Explain how, exactly. Selin, you are reaching for ways to lynch me because of who you are, as I already have suggested. So far, none of my suggestions have been wrong, and I have a sound understanding of roles and relationships.

6) AD is further working for the town (!) and publishes a list of non-active players

Because I am town... Have any cop investigate me. Well, one that isn't crooked.

7a) firth asks "why wicked mentioned Selin in her post" and again AD jumps immediately on that post: "Because he is Michael Corleone, and needs to be offed next", not even questioning why wicked names me short before her lynch!
7b) mandy votes AD reasoning: "a) Wicked's game was a bit too obvious for you to fall for it for real and b) who gives a f*ck about Michael at this point? Only the rival Mafia."
7c) AD answers: "What 'game' are you talking about? Michael is a GODFATHER, Mandy. Everyone should care about him, because he still has the power to kill one of us each night. That was the worst logic I have ever seen, Mandy."
7d) Some posts after AD says to mandy: "So far, I have been nothing but helpful to the town, which should prove my innocence."
>> Conclusion: This has been exactly the tactic of AD over and over during the 2 days.

Tactic...? Isn't that the tactic of ALL townies...? To be HELPFUL. While you are sitting here trying to delude them. Bullshit.

Selin asks why wicked names him very shortly before her lynch and AD answers: "I already posted why. Because she thought she would get away without being lynched"
>> Conclusion: This answer was nonsense due to the fact that wicked was very close to lynch after the cop's revealing her role

Actually, she wasn't... She still had six or seven people to go. That isn't 'close'

9) AD has been super active during both days, started to post directly after nagereous' scenes both on day 1 and 2. In both cases we had our day kills in 3 hours after the start of the day.
>> Conclusion: AD is one of the main candidates for day vig.

And if I WAS the daykiller, you think I would have posted right after I offed somebody? Haven't we just discussed at the beginning of this game how that would be stupid? Or did you miss that entire conversation?


>> Final conclusion on AD: AD is a member of Barzini scum family, the day vig of Barzini's.

What in the hell makes you think the Barzinis are even the other mob? Wouldn't it most likely be the Tattaglias, who were the actual main enemies of Don Vito? The fact that you pull this out of your hat makes me super suspicious. You have NO REASON to think they are the other family unless YOU are a part of it.



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The problem here:

If I vote Selin back, which I should do, I will look like I am revenge voting, which will just make me look worse.

Just remember that I have said he was scum before all of this, and if you let him get away with killing me, you will all be screwing yourself over.