Army of GOD wrote:If the mafia know you're unaffected by kills though you're not gonna be targeted
Its a low risk lynch. We lose nothing by killing you since you're not gonna be targeted by night actions...
Which is exactly why I wanted to maximize the chances of me being targeted N1 before I would have to claim. Like I said earlier. Also Losing nothing by killing me K You lose someone who the mafia can't kill in the night, meaning that the kill targets have to be other people narrowing down the potential targets. They could kill stor (I don't think they will unless they think he's lying about being a survivor and instead is the SK), but it cause the mafia (and SK if there is one) some inconvenience because they have to lynch me to get rid of me.
Except now that you've claimed, you're useless in the night. Even if you are alive tonight (and telling the truth), then mafia won't target you either way. You were much more useful before you had claimed -- now town doesn't lose much at all by lynching you. Mafia don't have to kill every single townie to win the game; they just have to kill enough that they outnumber those who are remaining. All this means is that you're going to be one of the last members of town remaining if the game is called for them. I do believe your claim, as I said, but if we don't lynch you today it's because we believe you're confirmed town and not because you're useful to us any more outside your vote.
strike wolf wrote:Yes but we are also in a possible MYLO situation AOG. Say there is a killing group of three. We lynch Rishaed we are down to 9 people 3 mafia 1 third party (maybe also a serial killer) and some 4-5 town. There are again two kills in the night. 7 people 3 mafia 1 third party.
Why are you assuming that the two people who die are town? If we have a SK or something, they might hit mafia. Also, mafia might hit the SK. There's way too many possibilities for us to assign a high probability to MYLO.
It is still a situation where we can't ignore that possibility
In mafia you can't always play the worst-case odds, you have to play the expected outcome.
NoSurvivors wrote:Still want a role though rishead or my vote goes back on
I'm pretty sure he claimed commuter which is almost never an every night thing. It's a 1 shot, 2 shot, or every other night thing.
At least that's what I took from it.
Thats NOT what i claimed. I claimed immunity from night actions, no x-shot, no variance. At this point i would have specified, its not my first rodeo boy. I also know what a commuter is as i've modded it in my Once upon a killer game.
I was the commuter in your Once Upon a Killer game... so yes I understand. I only said what I thought you were claiming. I want to believe your town, but the arguments against AoG and mtam are kind of weak right now. I'm just sticking with my gut, can't blame me for that.
Also never heard of your role (doesn't mean much, but it's a little weird)
Or are you sticking with the majority's "gut"?
...Is this a f***ing joke? Let's just repeat what rishaed is saying? Yeah and I'm the one sheeping Geez. I'm pretty convinced the scum team is rish/NoS/AoG or mtam... More likely AoG. Could be both too though
We have at least 3 votes on Mtamb. And i've been clear who I want claims from today. My Finals are over, but its still pretty exhausting. I'm going to try and get more indepth cases tomorrow night.
aage wrote: Maybe you're right, but since we receive no handlebars from the mod I think we should get some ourselves.
Army of GOD wrote:If the mafia know you're unaffected by kills though you're not gonna be targeted
Its a low risk lynch. We lose nothing by killing you since you're not gonna be targeted by night actions...
Which is exactly why I wanted to maximize the chances of me being targeted N1 before I would have to claim. Like I said earlier. Also Losing nothing by killing me K You lose someone who the mafia can't kill in the night, meaning that the kill targets have to be other people narrowing down the potential targets. They could kill stor (I don't think they will unless they think he's lying about being a survivor and instead is the SK), but it cause the mafia (and SK if there is one) some inconvenience because they have to lynch me to get rid of me.
Except now that you've claimed, you're useless in the night. Even if you are alive tonight (and telling the truth), then mafia won't target you either way. You were much more useful before you had claimed -- now town doesn't lose much at all by lynching you. Mafia don't have to kill every single townie to win the game; they just have to kill enough that they outnumber those who are remaining. All this means is that you're going to be one of the last members of town remaining if the game is called for them. I do believe your claim, as I said, but if we don't lynch you today it's because we believe you're confirmed town and not because you're useful to us any more outside your vote.
You're also assuming hes telling the truth about his role
Yeh Mtam its how the game works. You either believe or you do not. I stood my ground at the end of yesterday against lynching HS. Rishaed did as well. He could have jumped on either Wing or HS with no problem, "they were scummy bla blah blah". Town in my book.
Also those who are arguing that Rishaed is useless you are not thinking outside the box as to his use if we have a Town Busdriver.
Army of GOD wrote:If the mafia know you're unaffected by kills though you're not gonna be targeted
Its a low risk lynch. We lose nothing by killing you since you're not gonna be targeted by night actions...
Which is exactly why I wanted to maximize the chances of me being targeted N1 before I would have to claim. Like I said earlier. Also Losing nothing by killing me K You lose someone who the mafia can't kill in the night, meaning that the kill targets have to be other people narrowing down the potential targets. They could kill stor (I don't think they will unless they think he's lying about being a survivor and instead is the SK), but it cause the mafia (and SK if there is one) some inconvenience because they have to lynch me to get rid of me.
Except now that you've claimed, you're useless in the night. Even if you are alive tonight (and telling the truth), then mafia won't target you either way. You were much more useful before you had claimed -- now town doesn't lose much at all by lynching you. Mafia don't have to kill every single townie to win the game; they just have to kill enough that they outnumber those who are remaining. All this means is that you're going to be one of the last members of town remaining if the game is called for them. I do believe your claim, as I said, but if we don't lynch you today it's because we believe you're confirmed town and not because you're useful to us any more outside your vote.
You're also assuming hes telling the truth about his role
Yes. i would bet at 75:25 odds that he's telling the truth. If he's lying that's another matter, but I just don't think he is.
Iron Butterfly wrote:Yeh Mtam its how the game works. You either believe or you do not. I stood my ground at the end of yesterday against lynching HS. Rishaed did as well. He could have jumped on either Wing or HS with no problem, "they were scummy bla blah blah". Town in my book.
Also those who are arguing that Rishaed is useless you are not thinking outside the box as to his use if we have a Town Busdriver.
Storr convince me to vote AOG
If he is untargetable by night actions then the Busdriver cannot target him.
Still. One could perhaps use that argument day one to lynch but at this point every town counts. If you believe Rishaed is Town there are others more worthy of lynching. Storr is useless as well. He is admittedly fighting for Town as a challange while Rishaed is fighting for Town as Town yet the focus is on Rishaed.
Rishaed has argued more for Townand made valid points. Mtam has not yet the focus on Rishaed.
Army of GOD wrote:If the mafia know you're unaffected by kills though you're not gonna be targeted
Its a low risk lynch. We lose nothing by killing you since you're not gonna be targeted by night actions...
Which is exactly why I wanted to maximize the chances of me being targeted N1 before I would have to claim. Like I said earlier. Also Losing nothing by killing me K You lose someone who the mafia can't kill in the night, meaning that the kill targets have to be other people narrowing down the potential targets. They could kill stor (I don't think they will unless they think he's lying about being a survivor and instead is the SK), but it cause the mafia (and SK if there is one) some inconvenience because they have to lynch me to get rid of me.
Except now that you've claimed, you're useless in the night. Even if you are alive tonight (and telling the truth), then mafia won't target you either way. You were much more useful before you had claimed -- now town doesn't lose much at all by lynching you. Mafia don't have to kill every single townie to win the game; they just have to kill enough that they outnumber those who are remaining. All this means is that you're going to be one of the last members of town remaining if the game is called for them. I do believe your claim, as I said, but if we don't lynch you today it's because we believe you're confirmed town and not because you're useful to us any more outside your vote.
You're also assuming hes telling the truth about his role
Yes. i would bet at 75:25 odds that he's telling the truth. If he's lying that's another matter, but I just don't think he is.
Iron Butterfly wrote:Yeh Mtam its how the game works. You either believe or you do not. I stood my ground at the end of yesterday against lynching HS. Rishaed did as well. He could have jumped on either Wing or HS with no problem, "they were scummy bla blah blah". Town in my book.
Also those who are arguing that Rishaed is useless you are not thinking outside the box as to his use if we have a Town Busdriver.
Storr convince me to vote AOG
If he is untargetable by night actions then the Busdriver cannot target him.
How did you come up with 3:1 and what do you think of his allignment based before and after his claim.
Iron Butterfly wrote:Yeh Mtam its how the game works. You either believe or you do not. I stood my ground at the end of yesterday against lynching HS. Rishaed did as well. He could have jumped on either Wing or HS with no problem, "they were scummy bla blah blah". Town in my book.
Also those who are arguing that Rishaed is useless you are not thinking outside the box as to his use if we have a Town Busdriver.
Storr convince me to vote AOG
Im going to take that as wifom considering that scum have perfect information, and that I think Rishead is scum and knows that he only has 1 partner (if there are any in the hotshot vote) and to force the issue of focus there and not on wing where more of his scum team vote. This is why I asked rishead why he was not looking into wing votes.
Iron Butterfly wrote:Yeh Mtam its how the game works. You either believe or you do not. I stood my ground at the end of yesterday against lynching HS. Rishaed did as well. He could have jumped on either Wing or HS with no problem, "they were scummy bla blah blah". Town in my book.
Also those who are arguing that Rishaed is useless you are not thinking outside the box as to his use if we have a Town Busdriver.
Storr convince me to vote AOG
Im going to take that as wifom considering that scum have perfect information, and that I think Rishead is scum and knows that he only has 1 partner (if there are any in the hotshot vote) and to force the issue of focus there and not on wing where more of his scum team vote. This is why I asked rishead why he was not looking into wing votes.
There comes a point where you believe someone or you do not. That has nothing to do with WIFOM. You complain about it and then completely did it.
Still. One could perhaps use that argument day one to lynch but at this point every town counts. If you believe Rishaed is Town there are others more worthy of lynching. Storr is useless as well. He is admittedly fighting for Town as a challange while Rishaed is fighting for Town as Town yet the focus is on Rishaed.
Rishaed has argued more for Townand made valid points. Mtam has not yet the focus on Rishaed.
I ask Storr again make a case against AoG.
I did... Its all based on his day 1 play into day 2. Nothing has changed. If you dont want to comment on the case i made, then make your own comments on him so i can further the discussion. Reread day 1 near the end of the day, look at his stance on the lynch, look at how "desperate" town was getting for a lynch. You had a different perspective not wanting to lynch either, so its harder to see. But for people who wanted the lynch for information, Aog wasn't among them. Yet he was willing to lynch Hotshot.
mtamburini wrote:Is hotshot really not dead yet? Everything else really bores me, Ive read a few things on mets I could be swayed to go that way too but I think ive got hotshot dead to rights.
Really? I could have never guessed based off of your first statement... I don't think being a little defensive and sarcastic=Dead to rights
Hey what I said matches up with what i said back then I wasn't planning on being the one making cases in the day. I got on NoS because I didn't like how I thought he was slightly twisting what Mets was saying.
This was my Case on Wing at the time. Its also why I'm not sorry I made it to get the claim.
Metsfanmax wrote:Wing really has been all over the place lately, it's a pretty classic example of mafia being boxed in and throwing out lots of accusations to defuse the tension against them. On the other hand, it also sounds like something a newb would do, so I don't know what to make of it.
Reading back I'm really liking quite a few of met's posts. Of course he was right about it just being a noob mistake.
mtamburini wrote:We should definitly be lynching NOS or HOTs IMO based on hots last reason to vote for wing, why the f*ck would you want to kill someone who you think is third party
Do you really have to ask mtamb? 3rd party does not have to be pro town. Also we didn't have Hotshots claim at the time, and you are already ready to start tying the rope and gather a crowd.
HotShot53 wrote:
mtamburini wrote:Hotshot not considering he could be mafia but only third party means he is mafia looking to elimint his teams threat to winning.
Not sure what you mean here... of course I'm considering the chance he is mafia (or town), I just think he is third party at this time. If I was mafia and wanted him eliminated, I'd say he was scum... so your argument really doesn't make sense.
Got a bunch of the same stuff around pg 18.. but this really sums it up.
Still liking Mets here
Metsfanmax wrote:
WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:Oh feck confused. I Investigate ROLE.
Like, this is so newbie that I'm pretty sure we should give Wing a pass tonight. There are pretend levels of newbie you can play as scum to pass off mistakes, but this is just too much.
This is where I confirm multiple colors in the role PM, and rebuff things based on Role=Scum thing here. It was getting pretty difficult to find quotes to say what I wanted and I just didn't have the time to find individual quotes by hand to say the technical things.
And that pretty well brings us up to right now Minus whatever one liners Mtamb has made today. Overall I'd say I'd drop Mets from the claims i want today just because I've like so many of his posts. (Personal Opinion). Dd is well.....still scummy in my eyes, but mtamb is the one i like the least.
aage wrote: Maybe you're right, but since we receive no handlebars from the mod I think we should get some ourselves.
Well im still where i am last post, mtam aog main scum candidates for me. think AoG might be the sure pick to go with, i think seriously noone is town reading him at the moment, so it might just be the best pick. as for mtam, still a good pic in my opinion, can ask same question 10 times and he refuses to answer basicly... if it was storr asking me i would have been lynched ages ago.,.. and i kind of dislike this flawed system where you have to answer to some but not to others...
the rishaed vote was a quick one... im not to sure on what to think of the claim, it seems overpowered... then again he is not my biggest scum read... to be honest i think it might be wise to lync at somepoint , unless he proves himself as definatly town but the inability to nk ... i just dont know... but bigger fish to fry i for today is my opinion and as i said not particul scum feeling about him
NoSurvivors wrote:Still want a role though rishead or my vote goes back on
I'm pretty sure he claimed commuter which is almost never an every night thing. It's a 1 shot, 2 shot, or every other night thing.
At least that's what I took from it.
Thats NOT what i claimed. I claimed immunity from night actions, no x-shot, no variance. At this point i would have specified, its not my first rodeo boy. I also know what a commuter is as i've modded it in my Once upon a killer game.
I was the commuter in your Once Upon a Killer game... so yes I understand. I only said what I thought you were claiming. I want to believe your town, but the arguments against AoG and mtam are kind of weak right now. I'm just sticking with my gut, can't blame me for that.
Also never heard of your role (doesn't mean much, but it's a little weird)
Or are you sticking with the majority's "gut"?
...Is this a f***ing joke? Let's just repeat what rishaed is saying? Yeah and I'm the one sheeping Geez. I'm pretty convinced the scum team is rish/NoS/AoG or mtam... More likely AoG. Could be both too though
Wait what? You think rish and I are both scum? Or am I reading this wrong...
Jsyk I'm one of the few who kept my vote on him after his claim...
@AoG I was saying NoS is scum not you. Not that I think you are town, but I think NoS is worse from that post.
I'm going to go ahead and unvote rishaed for now, I really liked the analysis on mtam. Not totally sold on you being town, but you actually made a case on one of us instead of just asking for claims.
I still don't like NoS, AoG, and now mtam. NoS doesn't have anyone else reading him scum though. I think a mtam or AoG lynch is best.
@storr where is your case on AoG? All you've said is you don't like the way he is posting?
I'm going to be away from my computer all day tomorrow so I'll try and get a reread on mtam and AoG before then, but I might not be back until Wednesday night
dd515087 wrote:@AoG I was saying NoS is scum not you. Not that I think you are town, but I think NoS is worse from that post.
I'm going to go ahead and unvote rishaed for now, I really liked the analysis on mtam. Not totally sold on you being town, but you actually made a case on one of us instead of just asking for claims.
I still don't like NoS, AoG, and now mtam. NoS doesn't have anyone else reading him scum though. I think a mtam or AoG lynch is best.
@storr where is your case on AoG? All you've said is you don't like the way he is posting?
I'm going to be away from my computer all day tomorrow so I'll try and get a reread on mtam and AoG before then, but I might not be back until Wednesday night
I'm just gonna shake my head at this for now....
aage wrote: Maybe you're right, but since we receive no handlebars from the mod I think we should get some ourselves.
Geez. I'm pretty convinced the scum team is rish/NoS/AoG or mtam... More likely AoG. Could be both too though
