Re: (GON 3rd game)Town wins. Day 5

[legionnare]

Before any one else votes for sirius, it seems like TC's role was fairly interesting. He can switch two people? What light does it shed on the last two nights?

I'm guessing when TC said that he knew how H8 was killed it was because he switched him with the mafia's target, how he knew who the mafia was targeting is another matter.

Considering that Jusplay was the SK I'm guessing he killed Archer.

[legionnare]

Omg! I tried to resurrect the bodyguard but I got roleblocked. It wasn't specified why my resurrection didn't worked, just that it didn't. Such a brilliant move from the mafia. Now I'm pretty sure that no one will believe me, so we will lose both my power to resurrect, and another townie once I am lynched. TheCrown was right, I should have used my power as soon as possible. Well, at least I'm happy with my game, I got 2 confirmed bad guys on my list, and a confirmed good guy too.

By the way, if they used their roleblock on me,that means they either have to kill me or use their roleblock on me every turn. Otherwise there will be another townie back in the game, which the mafia really don't want to happen. This means that as long as I am alive, the cop can't be roleblocked.

I'm on the fence as to whether to believe you or not, there is no doubt that you are a skilled Mafia player and could quite easily have the experience necessary to pull this off as a bluff.

Just a few of questions:

BLUE TEXT Either/or how do you know you were roleblocked without it specifying

GREEN TEXT We have already established that N2 was the first chance you would get to use your power, TC never said you should have used your power sooner because it wasn't possible, if you can find the post then feel free to correct me

RED TEXT if you were roleblocked can you use your power again, I assumed it was a one-shot?

[legionnare]

I love how Sirius jumped in 19 minutes after crasp posted the scene to plead his useless case. Of course, the votes start piling on like they should and Sirius declares a mafia win. Pulling out every scum trick in the book. What do we need, one more vote? If you are townie, now is the time to prove it.

What do you expect? He knew that if he didn't show a revive during the night he would be Lynched and would have recieved a message saying that it didn't work (this is of course assuming he is telling the truth) so knew he would have to be straight in to defend himself.

[legionnare]

For clear Bandwagoning (Kill's first post was a vote and nothing else) and instant aggression I vote Killuminati

[legionnare]

I love how Sirius jumped in 19 minutes after crasp posted the scene to plead his useless case. Of course, the votes start piling on like they should and Sirius declares a mafia win. Pulling out every scum trick in the book. What do we need, one more vote? If you are townie, now is the time to prove it.

You miscounted the votes, 4 people voted on Sirius - Mookie - Gab - KE3 - Kill (we need 6 to Lynch) so a townie voting would not put the hammer down, it would only allow the scum to hammer

[legionnare]

So were are we sitting? 10 left 5 dead (1 Scum, 1 3rd Party and 3 Town all power)

Let's assume their was 4 Scum, 1 3rd Party and and 10 Town

1 Scum dead (a Goon) that would leave one more goon, a roleblocker and the Godfather

3rd Party is dead

3 Town dead (Bodyguard, Watcher and Bus Driver) that would leave Sirius' Reviver (if true claim) Cop and Doctor and 4 Vanilla

Sound about right?

So from the vote's on Sirius, assuming he is Town these 4 start to seem suspicious,

I believe Gab is Town as he was voting in line with TC. KE3 has vouched for Mook leaving Kill as the unknown in the group so why did the Scum not bring down the hammer, he needed 2 more votes and from my reasoning above if Kill is Scum then the other 2 would have been free to vote without worry of retribution because as Tuffy said they could claim that they were voting as per agreement on D2.

Assuming Sirius is Scum leaves those that didn't vote on him as suspicious,
I only just got in from work IRL so didn't get a chance to vote yet,
charm posted that she found Sirius suspicious but didn't vote why?
joak has yet to speak this day so probably doesn't know Day 3 has started yet.
Tuffy has expressed his opinion so far and is trying to find reason before voting
DB4 only posted to ask for Night reports as per start of Day2

[legionnare]

Charm: Found Sirius suspicious but didn't cast a vote, I would like to know why? - Suspect
Legionnare: I only just got in from work IRL to find the voting had already started and then subsided. - Town
Tuffy: Giving opinion and getting discussion going, trying to find info before voting - Town
Mookie: Vouched for by KE3 - Town
Kill: Immediate BW tops my list - Extreme Suspect
Joak: Yet to speak, vouched for by KE3
Sirius: I'm on the fence, no revive but valid reason for not, I wait on a response before I decide - Unsure
DB4: Too few posts to get a read, from my reads of other games this is suspicious behaviour - Suspect
KE3: Believed by majority to be Town PR - Town
Gab: Followed TC's lead in D2 - Town

[legionnare]

A further point; we are assuming KE3 is Town PR and his vouch for Joak and Mookie, assuming he is not Town PR puts him Joak and Mook as suspect,, I highly doubt that the Scum would take such a risk so I believe KE3's claim.

[legionnare]

Having reread through my own posts I will uvote for now until further info comes in.

[Gabsensei]

Omg! I tried to resurrect the bodyguard but I got roleblocked. It wasn't specified why my resurrection didn't worked, just that it didn't. Such a brilliant move from the mafia. Now I'm pretty sure that no one will believe me, so we will lose both my power to resurrect, and another townie once I am lynched. TheCrown was right, I should have used my power as soon as possible. Well, at least I'm happy with my game, I got 2 confirmed bad guys on my list, and a confirmed good guy too.

By the way, if they used their roleblock on me,that means they either have to kill me or use their roleblock on me every turn. Otherwise there will be another townie back in the game, which the mafia really don't want to happen. This means that as long as I am alive, the cop can't be roleblocked.

I'm on the fence as to whether to believe you or not, there is no doubt that you are a skilled Mafia player and could quite easily have the experience necessary to pull this off as a bluff.

Just a few of questions:

BLUE TEXT Either/or how do you know you were roleblocked without it specifying

GREEN TEXT We have already established that N2 was the first chance you would get to use your power, TC never said you should have used your power sooner because it wasn't possible, if you can find the post then feel free to correct me

RED TEXT if you were roleblocked can you use your power again, I assumed it was a one-shot?

blue: if he used his ability and it did not work he got roleblock basicly
green: he could'Ve use his ability on bantam there only not on archer
red: i think yess he can use his ability next night

and legion you misscaculated since i did unvote from sirius and went on kill

[legionnare]

blue: if he used his ability and it did not work he got roleblock basicly - Fair enough
green: he could'Ve use his ability on bantam there only not on archer - Again fair enough
red: i think yess he can use his ability next night - Can MOD answer this one? - Can Sirius use his ability on N3 after he was roleblocked? (assuming he is telling the truth of course)

and legion you misscaculated since i did unvote from sirius and went on kill

I didn't miscalculate, the post where I said 4 votes on Sirius was quoting Kill's post saying that he only needed 1 to Lynch when at the time he needed 2. I viewed this as skimming or maybe overeagerness to see Sirius lynched?

I'm aware you unvoted, as it stands Sirius has 2 - Kill and KE3 and Kill has 1 - Gab.

May I ask why you are jumping to Sirius' defense? You're points are valid and fair but I would have rather heard them from Sirius himself.

[crasp]

Daytime ends 23.59 Tuesday 15th April. With 10 left it takes 6 to lynch.

Vote Count

Sirius, -kill,king Ed 2
Kill -Gabseni 1

[crasp]

All the roles in this game are here. Also posted in the first page.
http://brianlance.net/mscumB.swf
The description of the Reviver is not very clear so i will give you this. A Reviver can bring anyone back at anytime, regardless of how long they have been dead, depending on the restrictions put on their role. ie. Night action, day action, any other restriction.
This does not confirm or deny the presence of this role in this game.

Joak was pm'd game start at the same as it was posted in the GON forum. However remember that i was late posting, early hours of Sunday Alba time and knowing Joak he is now either up a hill in a kilt swinging a battle axe around or crawling through a field trying to get the perfect picture of a lesser spotted gnat. Be patient.

[SiriusCowKing]

@Kill: I was up late last night, I checked the gon forum and I saw that crasp posted in the 3rd mafia game thread. I am always very invested in the mafia games so I went and checked. When I saw that no one got resurrected, only 1 thing came to my mind, I got roleblocked. It's just a matter of I saw it first. And you will notice that 4 people saw it soon after too.


@mookie: There was a mafia roleblocker in the first game and the second game. More than that, the inventor had a device that could roleblock in the 2nd game. So no, not that uncommon. It's not a role that you pretty much see in every game, but so far we had roleblocks all the time.


@Tuffy: It all makes sense now why TC wanted the power roles out, he wanted to exchange places of the future victims with who he thought was mafia and the mafia would have killed themselves each night. I don't know if the serial killer actually went for H8 but if TC traded places for him and someone else, nice one. As for 4 mafia and 1 SK, yeah I think this makes sense. This is how I would have made the game if I was modding.


@Legionnare: I had TC as the vigilante at first, then he said he knew Gab was a good guy so I had him as the cop, but then he pushed the fact that he knew why AFK was killed. At this point I thought he was a mafia because how else could he knew that gab was a good guy AND how AFK died. Now I know that he traded places with gab and AFK, and since AFK got killed, that meant that gab was targeted with either the SK or the mafia. We didn't knew that there was a SK at that point so he had to believe that the mafia killed one of their own. This was proving that gab was a good guy. It is a good possibility, it could also be that gab was targeted by the SK, but now that gab's role is out it doesn't change anything about the fact that he's a good guy.

As for the fact that I wasn't specified why the resurrection didn't worked: It's common that you only receive a PM saying things like, this person's role is that, or your action was unsuccessful. Because if it was a scene looking PM like: you got home, you watched TV, then someone rang at your door. You answer and he asks you for a glass of water. He insist he needs a safe place and after an hour of arguing you decide to let him sleep on your couch. Then you would know this is a roleblocking. I personally sent beautiful PMs like this when there was only 1 option possible, otherwise it was more like: Your action failed, I can't tell you why because there is more than one possibility. Crasp's style is more that he doesn't send PMs at all. I never got any PM so I never got confirmed that I was roleblocked, but what other possibility can it be (I know you think I'm a mafia and it's another possibility, I'm saying from my perspective).

And yes TC told me I should have used it as soon as possible, because you never know what can happen. Can't find the post now, if you insist I will try to look it up later. And since I got roleblocked, I can still use my power later, when I am not roleblocked anymore.

As for your list of the roles left, I think that's about right. Maybe add one last power role, like the inventor or something, but there can't be more than that. We already have a lot of power roles in this game. Remember that the forces need to be balanced, so in the end there can be an OP amount of power roles in the town if there is an OP amount of roles in the mafia. Your post is probably the right combination tho.


@ everyone: I posted the responses in a second tab while I read the posts. I know that some of those answers got posted afterward but I don't have time to erase and adjust everything, sorry for the big post. As for who I would vote for, well everyone seem to want to find what's going on except kill who just want me done with. This is exactly what the mafia want. They roleblocked me trying to incriminate me, then pushing for a quick kill. This would basically give them the game: 3 mafia (probably) and 7 town left. I get lynched = 3M + 6T. Night kill = 3M + 5T. One last chance, the mafia pile up together on anyone who already got 2 votes = 3M + 4T. Night kill, do I really need to write more?

So my prime suspect is Killuminati, but we need to be sure. Otherwise, we see the scenario I just wrote above. If you guys are confident that he is a mafia pushing for a quick kill, then I will vote for him. Awaiting a response.

[SiriusCowKing]

Oh and i forgot to add that if you still have doubts about me, the cop can still check me during the night. The cow king out for the day now, moo you guys later :P

[SiriusCowKing]

Change of plans, I was supposed to be out all day but it looks like I will be in all day. So if anyone got questions they want answered, I will check about every hours and reply.

[charm]

Wow, now this is getting interesting!!
I have lots more investigating and learning to do, but to answer the question why I'm not quick to lynch Sirius?

1. What's the hurry? Don't we have until Tuesday for this day to develop? I don't want to make a stupid mistake, patience may be best right now.
2. Sirius is obviously a good player and I'd like to continue to hear what he has to say - good way to learn from a vet.
3. Kill has been on my FOS list since the beginning. I caught that he jumped really fast to lynch Sirius too.
4. I want TC back, I think there could be lots more fun riding the bus! Sirius figure out some clever way to resurrect him.

So...I'm watching, learning, and being patient.

[DB4Christ]

Leg, that was a good post of potential remaining roles. I think you showed good judgment in pulling back for now. We need our night action reports to guide us at this critical time. I believe Gab is 100% town. KE3 is most probably town. I do not just jump on the BW voting so quickly because that is a mistake without hearing from everyone. This game demands evaluation, observation, night action reports and patient thought at this juncture. I will vote in the end based on GOOD logical deductions brought about by this formula, not spontaneous panic voting. Charm has the right idea, take the time to think this through and pay attention to trends and out of character tells.

[Killuminati19]

Here are the 4 who pretty much immediately voted Sirius:

King Ed
Gabs
Mookie
Myself

The first three are all known townies correct? Those four votes were hanging out there long enough for the mafia to drop the hammer. Didn't happen right? Instead, mafia like Tuffy came in and started lobbing stupid accusations at me.

Why am I pushing for a quick kill? Because we all agreed that no revival was an immediate day 3 lynch for Serious. Once again, immediate. My voting history and previous alliances should show all that I am a townie. We have 2 full days of info to go on. To all the townie's out there, don't let Tuffy try to claim that I made some scum slip here in Day 3 because I am proposing we do what we all agreed on. I am the one who pushed hard for Justplay and we got rid of the SK right?

If you all decide to lynch me, you will be down another townie and the same questions surrounding Moo will exist in day 4. And Gabs, I am disappointed and confused by your vote.

I am a regular townie with one special "skill". A skill that someone like Tuffy may not appreciate.

Once again, 4 votes were out there long enough for the mafia to drop the hammer.....it did not happen. My vote remains unchanged.

[SiriusCowKing]

Everyone is trying to clear things out and your only argument is, no revival = auto lynch. That's good enough for me, vote Kill.

[mookiemcgee]

Mookie list:

Town:
KE3
Gab
Joak
Me




Uncertain:
Leg - seems the most townie on this list
Charm - Suspect
Kill - suspect
Sirius - suspect
DB4 -suspect
tuffy -suspect

Everyone on my town list has been vouched for by someone, granted JOAK & I were vouched for by KE3 who is still alive so we aren't able to guarentee he honest. However personally I'm confident KE3 is truthful because he seems to know I am town. Gabs was vouched by crown,

Working from my uncertain list at least 3 of these 5 are mafia, possibly 4.

If Kills new claim that he knows Tuffy is Mafia is true, this explains why Tuffy defended Sirius and why DB4,Charm, and Tuffy all did not vote for Sirius.
It would confirm that these 4 are most likely the remaining bad guys (Charm, DB4, Tuffy, & Sirius). I could see alternates solutions like Charm is actually town and Leg is Mafia, but most likely my inital list of 4 is correct.

Alternatively, is SIrius is truthful and Kill is Mafia, I'm left confused. Kill last post explains why... Why if 3 known townies voted for sirius would the mafia not bandwagon and get a lynch on quickly?

It does seem like Kill is on alot of people suspicious list, but I just dont see it. Why is he voting in line with all the known townies?

[Killuminati19]

I'm sure it is good enough for you Sirius. Don't act like I said two words and left it at that. There was a claim in there too. 4 people voted you immediately. I am very confident that all 4 are townies. No mafia jumped in to drop the hammer. Moo and Tuffy are iron clad mafia as far as I'm concerned.

[mookiemcgee]

I'd like to hear what KE3 and Gab (and Joak once he's back from the kilt kleaners) think of my last post? Is it not solid reasoning?

[Killuminati19]

@ mookie

There are most likely only 3 mafia left. I do not know Tuffy is mafia from a night action of any kind. I assume Moo is mafia and Tuffy is trying to save his neck. Your other observations are dead on. If Moo was townie, mafia would have made him. That didn't happen. My votes have lined up with known townies throughout the game and day 3 has been no exception. Tuffy's nonsense holds no water.

Charm has claimed all along that she is regular townie. I don't see any compelling reason to doubt that. That leaves Moo, Tuffy, DB4, and Legion. I'm not sure between DB4 and Legion but Moo and Tuffy have to go.

[mookiemcgee]

I am a regular townie with one special "skill". A skill that someone like Tuffy may not appreciate.

I do not know Tuffy is mafia from a night action of any kind.

These two quotes seem somewhat contradicting... I guess i'll have to spend a half hour sifting through the roles to find what fits...