WoT:Mem of Light An Ending

[sam_levi_11]

Or wing is the cult recruiter and we are all fucked. Anyone who doesn't vote wing will cost us the game.

If I was cult recruiter you would already have lost.

Fortunately I am not.

But nevertheless you have lost. Your fight against this lynch is not going unnoticed. Join Sam and Mitch on the naughty seat.

1) I was the one who actually mentioned this in the first place
2) Perhaps I just want to be sure before we lynch a town player as it seems that's all we have done so far
3) This is just you being aggressive again, so it's hard to tell if you are convinced or are just hoping shit sticks.

Greg, you need to really convince us as to why you have been ghosting or I too will vote for you. Also interested by Doom's decision that you (Wing) are definitely scum, I'm assuming scum are some of the more experienced players in this game from what's gone on so far. Will reread to find his case on that soon.

[Ragian]

Thread blew up these last couple of days, good.

Who here thinks that we should kill off inactives because it's very likely that they're at fault for the lack of kill N2?

That's bullshit.

I'm sincerely hoping that you understand that you are agreeing with me then. Otherwise, you're a skimmer skimmerson getting a conditional FOS.

...I'm reading D3 and D4 again now...

Are you guys saying that greg hasn't voted? He voted for Mitch the former. The only one I didn't vote for. Based on that, his voting pattern is scummy.

I keep coming back to aage, though. He has been on all lynches (I think), steering clear of the hammer. He has also distanced himself from Wing, saying that Wing latches on to him. If aage is scum, I'm confident that Wing is too and, most likely, vice versa.

Also, Wing is on my radar. Very quick to point to BuJ for a scum candidate because BuJ's response was too long in Wing's opinion. I do like the fact that he never voted for Mitch the former, though. What I really didn't like was this:

Wing thoughts on greg

My thoughts are that the killer appears to be mostly inactive. Missed death with no shouts of doc etc. No one really challenging either of us.

Or maybe I just don't understand the "shouts of doc etc." bit. I read it as us not having any information about a doc, almost as if he is subtly fishing for protective roles (perhaps knowing that a NK went wrong). This is my strongest motivation for voting at this point.

I felt that I liked Sam's input earlier, but his proposal of hunting inactives the next few days spells death to town. We lynch inactives (who in my experience are more likely to be town than scum) while scum picks us off during the night.

Hummm...

samlevi is guaranteed scum.

That's quite good. Of course the fact that he seems to have an unalligned WC is a nice point too. But then I'd have to vote with aage.

Confirmation on town.
Get sucked

I never understand what it means when he does these things...

I'm a bit miffed that newguy didn't leave his unintended scam out in the open a while (Mat-Luc confusion). The only one who reacted weirdly was Mitch wanting a partial list of whoever is not Mat for some reason. Would have been fun if other had panicked.
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@Doom, why did you abandon your vote on Sam if he's guaranteed scum? That weirds me out. Just like your supposed annoyance getting the better of you D2.

---flavour related questions for those who care---
Who has a hammer in the books? He's the one trying to kill Luc N2, yes? I.e. Luc is good stuff, yes? Dark as far as I could understand Marashu.
I did a bit of research on the hammer and the golden eyes from then. Perrin Aybara is referred to as Goldeneyes giving him a wolfish appearance. Moreover, he has a warhammer named Mah'alleinir. What I found on it.

So the N2 scene to me is this Perrin dude trying to kill off Luc. Now, all we need is someone claiming Perrin for this to be useful...

[DoomYoshi]

@Ragian: there are two reasons: i believe his WC and wing joined the wagon, making it toxic.

@ Marashu: what makes you think IB is the cult recruiter? are you just trying to deflect attention off wing too?

[aage]

Thread blew up these last couple of days, good.

Who here thinks that we should kill off inactives because it's very likely that they're at fault for the lack of kill N2?

That's bullshit.

I'm sincerely hoping that you understand that you are agreeing with me then. Otherwise, you're a skimmer skimmerson getting a conditional FOS.

If you were being sarcastic, then I agree and applaud you. Considering the seriousness of other players discussing this topic, it didn't strike me as such.

I keep coming back to aage, though. He has been on all lynches (I think), steering clear of the hammer. He has also distanced himself from Wing, saying that Wing latches on to him. If aage is scum, I'm confident that Wing is too and, most likely, vice versa.

I've been on the first 2 cause the people were suspicious as f*ck, can't hammer if my vote is already on them. I wasn't on the Mandy wagon cause the case was pretty bad, so yeah I steered clear of the hammer.
Regarding my "interactions" with Wing, I don't remember ever saying I read him as town. I've ignored his jibes during the first few days and I believe I actually said he looked sketchy to me several times recently. That's not distancing, that's calling out suspects. Others have claimed Wing is latching on to me. If Wing is trying to be my buddy, he's not doing a great job.
Also, clear this up for me: you're not voting Sam because I voted Sam? First off, don't worry, you're in the clear - my vote is on Greg. Second, if you don't want to vote someone who is being voted by either me or Wing, why don't you just come along and vote for one of us? Clearly you think we're scummy, or at least I am and therefore Wing is. (Or was it the other way around?) Doesn't seem to me like you have trouble finding a suspect, you're just having trouble gathering support for a lynch. Make up your mind, I can't defend against someone who a priori assumes I'm scum. I'll repeat my question from day 3:

Then aage comes back and seems towny to me. Sigh...

Is that bad?

And I'll add: why is that bad?

[StorrZerg]

it isn't aage. that simple line is enough. he likes the post you made, makes you seem town in his eyes.

[StorrZerg]

greg is on lets see what he has

[Marashu]

@ Marashu: what makes you think IB is the cult recruiter? are you just trying to deflect attention off wing too?

I had SW and IB confused, sorry - it's SW that I'm convinced was the cult recruiter. Mainly because of flavour, but between the D2 scene and the fact that we've only had one night with 2 deaths makes me think that SW tried to recruit mafia and ended up dead because of it. Shaisam is a separate entity to the Dark One that the dark alignment serves, and in Mem of Light marches on against both the Dark One and the Dragon Reborn (champion of light) with an army that was corrupted by his deadly mist, so it makes sense he's not playing on team dark.

Slowly the mist settled over the plains of Merrilor. Suddenly part of it went numb. Shaisam was curious. Who was it that foiled his first attempt? Who dragged his target out of harms way away from the mist? First though, first he must find out why the mist was acting strangly under this dark sky. It was time to meet old friends... yes time to have a merry little reunion. Shaisam tripped over a rock in his way. Cursing his prized seed, the ruby dagger fell out of his hands.
"Fancy meeting you here Fain. I heard something interesting since the last time we met. Once you've survived a disease you become immune to it."
Smiling Mat rammed the ruby dagger back into Shaisam's heart.
No. NO! This is not how it was supposed to go. This body was too fragile, too weak.
[...]
Strike Wolf Shaisam has been killed.

As for my thoughts right now:
I'm willing to believe newguy is town. Storr is likely town, though I am surprised he hasn't been pushing for a massclaim in an attempt to break the game. Wouldn't it be crazy if Doom/Wing were mafia together? That aside, the plays that Wing is making (the trap for mets, the post to get a rise out of Doom, etc) seem towny to me, and Doom has also been giving off a town vibe.

I'm suspicious of Ragian, and feel like there hasn't been enough scrutiny on him. is it possible for aage to be mafia without WIng being mafia? I'd be more willing to believe that, I think. aage, what are your thoughts on HotShot?

Wing, you say the greg wagon has resistance, yet by plurality it will be the lynch assuming people still don't vote. Still, I find his defense to be rather lackluster, and I'd rather if we could get a claim out of someone rather than let plurality get an unclaimed lynch.

Tim's weird D3 play aside, he looks like he's been making efforts to figure things out D4. mitch's partial list idea was weird - if it was anyone other than mitch, he'd already be lynched. We've already mislynched him once for playing oddly, so I'm hesitant to do it again D4.

vote greg

fp'd by Storr

[gregwolf121]

no i haven't been posting as much as i would like, i'm busy all day with classes and work, i try to post at least once in the evenings when i have some down time.
i'm also really sorry that i haven't been voting everybody i see, wanting instead to avoid quick lynches.

and wing i noticed that you voted for me once sam said i hadn't voted all game, yet stor said the same thing on page 28, so what changed?


@ Rag, actually i'm pretty sure my only vote this game was the joke vote on mandy D1,
as to your flavor questions, the only character that uses a hammer in the books is perrin "goldeneyes" Aybara. unless you count blacksmiths. and in the books luc and perrin are constantly hunting/trying to kill each other.
fpx2 stor
and fp marashu

[rishaed]

Busy until Wednesday. Will update the VC then.

[Ragian]

Thread blew up these last couple of days, good.

Who here thinks that we should kill off inactives because it's very likely that they're at fault for the lack of kill N2?

That's bullshit.

I'm sincerely hoping that you understand that you are agreeing with me then. Otherwise, you're a skimmer skimmerson getting a conditional FOS.

If you were being sarcastic, then I agree and applaud you. Considering the seriousness of other players discussing this topic, it didn't strike me as such.
Wasn't sarcastic, but an honest question because I couldn't remember. The reason I called you skimmer was because I made it quite clear earlier this day that I found killing inactives irresponsible.

I keep coming back to aage, though. He has been on all lynches (I think), steering clear of the hammer. He has also distanced himself from Wing, saying that Wing latches on to him. If aage is scum, I'm confident that Wing is too and, most likely, vice versa.

I've been on the first 2 cause the people were suspicious as f*ck, can't hammer if my vote is already on them. I wasn't on the Mandy wagon cause the case was pretty bad, so yeah I steered clear of the hammer. Did you try to get us away from Mandy, then? (Again, honest question.) I tried getting us off Mitch the Former because to me he didn't appear to be scum.
Regarding my "interactions" with Wing, I don't remember ever saying I read him as town. I've ignored his jibes during the first few days and I believe I actually said he looked sketchy to me several times recently. That's not distancing, that's calling out suspects. Others have claimed Wing is latching on to me. If Wing is trying to be my buddy, he's not doing a great job. Fair enough. I only have my eyes.
Also, clear this up for me: you're not voting Sam because I voted Sam? Nope, I'm hesitant because Wing is voting Sam. Sort of like Doom stated above. First off, don't worry, you're in the clear - my vote is on Greg. Second, if you don't want to vote someone who is being voted by either me or Wing, why don't you just come along and vote for one of us? Clearly you think we're scummy, or at least I am and therefore Wing is. (Or was it the other way around?) It's more the other way around. Doesn't seem to me like you have trouble finding a suspect, you're just having trouble gathering support for a lynch. Make up your mind, I can't defend against someone who a priori assumes I'm scum. Obviously not, and I may be pointing my finger out of fear as I have no empiric evidence, but with no one actually slipping up, I ponder who would make the best scum. I played scum with you once where you won us the game. So while it's not a posteriori based on this game, it's at least based on that.I'll repeat my question from day 3:

Then aage comes back and seems towny to me. Sigh...

Is that bad?

And I'll add: why is that bad? Because if you had been scummy all along, it would be easy to vote for you.

I'm not voting Sam because for me it's between Wing and Sam, but then again my balls creep up into my body when Doom first says that Sam is guaranteed scum (huge words in my opinion) and then abandons the case because Wing's voting Sam. Maybe Doom uses "guaranteed" differently than I do, but it fucks with my mind as it makes me think: "Is Wing voting Sam to distance himself from a scumbuddy so that if one of them goes down, the other is in the clear? Or is Wing voting Sam to get Doom off Sam?"

@greg, what I found out too, cheers. Regarding your voting pattern, who dat den?

This is my LYNCH VC:
Vote Count:

Mandalorian (6) - Hotshot, metsfanmax, madmitch, ???, WingCmdr, ragian
madmitch (10) - Mandalorian, Marashu, Storrzerg, BuJaber, Gregwolf, TimWoodbury, Samlevi, aage, newguy1, DoomYoshi

With 19 alive it takes 10 to lynch.

Madmitch has been LYNCHED

And don't worry, aage, I'll make up my mind in due time. Some of us are just slow...

[DoomYoshi]

I called sam_levi scum the first time on Day 2. He has played in a disinterested "I don't care, as long as we kill someone" kind of way. If his WC is to find and kill someone, that makes sense. I guess it's not the worst lynch in the world. I wouldn't actually complain if gregwolf or sam_levi are lynched, but I'm really worried about the same 3 players leading the lynch every day and the game we are playing.

[Ragian]

Cheers.

Vote Wing

[aage]

I'm suspicious of Ragian, and feel like there hasn't been enough scrutiny on him. is it possible for aage to be mafia without WIng being mafia? I'd be more willing to believe that, I think. aage, what are your thoughts on HotShot?

I don't have any thoughts on hotshot. Regarding lynching him, he doesn't seem vital to town and might as well be scum for all I know. There just isn't enough to go on, which can be a tell by itself.



Greg posted, that's new. It's not a very meaningful post though. The fact that you believe your only vote this game was a joke vote does not make you town, in fact I'd argue the opposite.

[Metsfanmax]

I keep coming back to aage, though. He has been on all lynches (I think), steering clear of the hammer. He has also distanced himself from Wing, saying that Wing latches on to him. If aage is scum, I'm confident that Wing is too and, most likely, vice versa.

I'm suspicious of Ragian, and feel like there hasn't been enough scrutiny on him. is it possible for aage to be mafia without WIng being mafia? I'd be more willing to believe that, I think.

I find these two posts interesting because both of you should know that Wing and aage are both capable of pulling off whatever they need to pull off when it comes to looking like they're playing together or not. If they were both scum (say), then I believe they are both experienced enough to have figured out a strategy for how to play that could be quite misleading.

I read most of their play in this game as them not being on the same team, but that could certainly be a ploy on their parts to distance themselves.

[madmitch]

not changing my vote ,still think WCG is scum,, Aage is next on my list , I just love how he can call everyones posts bullshit and also he made a stupid vote on Sam because Sam did not have the same wincon , also Storr is right up there with them , We got to break up that trio or we are done for ,we can't lose anymore guys.

[rishaed]

VC:
Sam-aage
Newguy1- Storr
WCG: Hotshot53, madmitch,Ragian
Gregwolf:WCG, aage,Marashu
C9: Timwoodbury

[Ragian]

Why is Doom not voting Wing?

@Mars, I feel the same way. Usually, I have to defend myself a lot more. Perhaps I haven't done enough. I fear that might be the case. Do you think I'm scummy? And if so, why?

@Mets, by no means do I suggest that the two of them can't pull exactly that off. That's why I suggested them as a pair and why I said that to me it seemed as if aage was distancing himself from Wing. I don't understand how you can entertain the idea that I'm oblivious to their abilities. I thought I made it quite clear earlier today.

[TimWoodbury]

seems as if im not gonna get anywhere with my C9 theory still want to hear something....anything at all from him at this point.

looking at the recent posts raigen sounds almsot like hes trying to force a connection between aage and wing. so im stuck in nbetween now thinking wing and aage are bad and thinking raigen and one of the above 2 are bad.

unvote im not going to revote jsut yet but will have a vote in sooner or later

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Doom and Storr have been affected by vote stealer effects by the looks of it. No this does not make Doom town. Thats what THEY want you to think!

Mets, I'd also argue at this point that we could be different teams, or both town. Hard to tell. But yeah, I wont argue that much about this as you are perfectly right, if we wanted to pull of were stuff together, we are quite capable of doing so. I remember when I was a scum pair with Storr. We walked the game without breaking a sweat, dont think either of us got accused at any point.

I called sam_levi scum the first time on Day 2. He has played in a disinterested "I don't care, as long as we kill someone" kind of way. If his WC is to find and kill someone, that makes sense. I guess it's not the worst lynch in the world. I wouldn't actually complain if gregwolf or sam_levi are lynched, but I'm really worried about the same 3 players leading the lynch every day and the game we are playing.

I presume this includes when you hammered Mitch whilst I was arguing against that lynch? I mean I wouldnt want to think you were changing your argument to suit the target..... After you did all that work to dig up those quotes that I directed you to at the end of D3.... Almost looks like you havent actually read the whole thread to look for scum, but took the easy option.....

Please come back when you want to talk in truths.

[Marashu]

Doom and Storr have been affected by vote stealer effects by the looks of it.

Show me where Storr actually voted for greg. I did my own vote count last night, and it still looked like storr was on newguy to me. That said, I can't help but notice that aage has 2 votes. I don't think Doom has tried voting today, he's just said his vote was stolen, but I also noticed that newguy's vote on greg is missing. Doom, how do you know you have no vote?

Ragian, I'm not sure yet. I just felt like somehow you had made it into town circle, and I wasn't sure why or how. It's just something strange that I noticed. If you were scum, it would be easy enough for you to not need to do too much to avoid needing to defend yourself.

[Ragian]

It annoys me that Wing wasn't on Mitch's lynch. Perhaps because the lynch was inevitable?

@Wing,do you think Doom is scum?

[aage]

I don't have 2 votes and honestly believe Rish is just fucking up the VC's.

[Commander9]

Sorry everyone - RL ended coming up. My apologies for not actually being able to participate.

[DoomYoshi]

So I guess I never actually voted. derp. vote wing

[gregwolf121]

@greg, what I found out too, cheers. Regarding your voting pattern, who dat den?

This is my LYNCH VC:
Vote Count:

Mandalorian (6) - Hotshot, metsfanmax, madmitch, ???, WingCmdr, ragian
madmitch (10) - Mandalorian, Marashu, Storrzerg, BuJaber, Gregwolf, TimWoodbury, Samlevi, aage, newguy1, DoomYoshi

With 19 alive it takes 10 to lynch.

Madmitch has been LYNCHED

And don't worry, aage, I'll make up my mind in due time. Some of us are just slow...

well looks like my vote was stolen that day, if you look at my actual posts for the day i never voted for mad.

@wing, i'll ask again, i noticed that you voted for me once sam said i hadn't voted all game, yet stor said the same thing on page 28, so what changed?