[Official] Wheel of Time:EotW [8/14] D4:Twisted Pattern

[HotShot53]

are you visiting me hotshot?

No, I am visiting someone else today since it seemed you didn't want us visiting again right away.

[Iron Butterfly]

Some of this flavor spec doesnt mean a ton without some hints on alignment. Are you thinking storr is less likely to be town or more?

Fain is scum. Mordeth is worse. Either one would result in a town loss. He asked me for role/alignment reads. The only role reads I get are flavour-driven, and those are scum-aligned. I feel like his plays have been town, though. But I also feel like Storr is a strong enough player to be able to help the town as scum and still win, so it's really difficult to tell based on that. I'm just having a hard time seeing how his role is town-aligned, even if it's giving out town-aligned powers (because hey, something may seem well-meaning, but the motives may not be the best). With this role, he's playing up how helpful it is to town, and at this point he doesn't need to do anything scummy with the votes, so "it's win/win for the town" apparently.

Does that make sense? With very obscure exceptions, I'm having a hard time seeing his role (as I guess it) as being non-scum, but his plays are town enough to make me question whether that is his role. So I'm having a hard time reading his alignment, but if I had to guess his role, it's non-town. Not really confident until after we get our day action results back, though.

On an unrelated note, mtam, you were using a night action on me - any thoughts now?

And THIS is why I do not trust Storr.

Again it goes back to the game he was the SK. He claimed third party survivor. He claimed to be on Towns side because he wanted the challenge. He scum hunted and seemed very pro town to the point I defended him. Then town came to a stand still..we could not decide what to do next and that when the light bulb went on. So this whole believe me because I am Town because I have been so helpful to Town makes me leery.

Storr could have just as easily have thrown Streaker under the bus. Streaker was on both Mitch and DD, more Mitch. Streaker praised Storr to the High Heavens Storr was Town...so yeh I am skeptical.

I also question the Vig actions. Why is it we had 2 separate abilities and now everyone gets a vig action?

So Storr what exactly is "The Plan"

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

I visited Storr btw

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Some of this flavor spec doesnt mean a ton without some hints on alignment. Are you thinking storr is less likely to be town or more?

Fain is scum. Mordeth is worse. Either one would result in a town loss. He asked me for role/alignment reads. The only role reads I get are flavour-driven, and those are scum-aligned. I feel like his plays have been town, though. But I also feel like Storr is a strong enough player to be able to help the town as scum and still win, so it's really difficult to tell based on that. I'm just having a hard time seeing how his role is town-aligned, even if it's giving out town-aligned powers (because hey, something may seem well-meaning, but the motives may not be the best). With this role, he's playing up how helpful it is to town, and at this point he doesn't need to do anything scummy with the votes, so "it's win/win for the town" apparently.

Does that make sense? With very obscure exceptions, I'm having a hard time seeing his role (as I guess it) as being non-scum, but his plays are town enough to make me question whether that is his role. So I'm having a hard time reading his alignment, but if I had to guess his role, it's non-town. Not really confident until after we get our day action results back, though.

Storr does it make any difference if you just tell us your character name seeing as your role is claimed and demonstrated anyway?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Also if your taking my interests into account. Place a vote on Talapus. I still dont think he has explained properly what was going on with his "no action" comment, did not attack Streaker, and quite frankly I want a claim from him.

[StorrZerg]

Some of this flavor spec doesnt mean a ton without some hints on alignment. Are you thinking storr is less likely to be town or more?

Fain is scum. Mordeth is worse. Either one would result in a town loss. He asked me for role/alignment reads. The only role reads I get are flavour-driven, and those are scum-aligned. I feel like his plays have been town, though. But I also feel like Storr is a strong enough player to be able to help the town as scum and still win, so it's really difficult to tell based on that. I'm just having a hard time seeing how his role is town-aligned, even if it's giving out town-aligned powers (because hey, something may seem well-meaning, but the motives may not be the best). With this role, he's playing up how helpful it is to town, and at this point he doesn't need to do anything scummy with the votes, so "it's win/win for the town" apparently.

Does that make sense? With very obscure exceptions, I'm having a hard time seeing his role (as I guess it) as being non-scum, but his plays are town enough to make me question whether that is his role. So I'm having a hard time reading his alignment, but if I had to guess his role, it's non-town. Not really confident until after we get our day action results back, though.

On an unrelated note, mtam, you were using a night action on me - any thoughts now?

And THIS is why I do not trust Storr.

Again it goes back to the game he was the SK. He claimed third party survivor. He claimed to be on Towns side because he wanted the challenge. He scum hunted and seemed very pro town to the point I defended him. Then town came to a stand still..we could not decide what to do next and that when the light bulb went on. So this whole believe me because I am Town because I have been so helpful to Town makes me leery.

Storr could have just as easily have thrown Streaker under the bus. Streaker was on both Mitch and DD, more Mitch. Streaker praised Storr to the High Heavens Storr was Town...so yeh I am skeptical.

I also question the Vig actions. Why is it we had 2 separate abilities and now everyone gets a vig action?

So Storr what exactly is "The Plan"

Yeah that light bulb was virus going hey storr went some place last night cause mafia swapped him lol. sick light blub moment. Shocker though, most of my reads on town had been legit. Even being 3p anti town, i was still scum hunting and you read that correct. (though seriously attacking me for not going after dd5 that game was so lame, i had AOG as scum for 2 days )


Why bus, when i can miss lynch town? With half claiming day 1 early, my play as mafia is to miss lynch as much as possible, create confusion till im eventually shot in the night or lynched. I've yet to be lynched as mafia as well. (pretty sure on this statement, could be wrong but i doubt it). Thing is i don't claim early as mafia because i can't know the set up, i don't know whats good or bad, not to mention if i'm mafia, i certainly know my character is going to be scummy. Call this wifom all you want, which i admit it is a bit, but its also about how i play, to which my actions don't make sense to be mafia. Lynching the role block, killing my top suspect in the night because why?

I never had 2 separate abilities, I was under the impression people didn't get told what they got when they came to visit me. Thus, The only way mafia could fully know what i was offering, was if they sent 2 people to visit me. Additionally, by saying multiple items are handed out, gives more safety to those who had visited me. Both hotshot/madmitch had commuter, thus making such statement, could draw mafia actions on them. Additionally, going into today, by limiting who visits me to trusted people. I wouldn't have to claim what they got, and neither would they. Allowing them to have an upper hand in the night. Since, if its a cop check, it would be great that mafia wouldn't know that, Or same with vig. Because i don't know if mafia has a bus ability, they likely don't have role block any more. ETC

[StorrZerg]

Ill go over the plan once day actions are complete. I want to make sure everyone who visits me confirms they did, im certainly going to have some people who visit and don't take my item. Least i suspect that. Then ill proceed.

[got tonkaed]

go got tonk, why shouldn't you be lynched/ shot in the night.

I am not one of the bad guys mentioned by mara.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

go got tonk, why shouldn't you be lynched/ shot in the night.

I am not one of the bad guys mentioned by mara.

Not being identified as scum by Mars is not much of a reason. You are saying that because 1 of 11 players doesnt read you as scum you must not be scum.

[got tonkaed]

Thats false. Mars didn't read me either way. I was saying since i wasnt one of the power scum characters, I wouldn't be a lynch/shot candidate.

Unless you think we shouldn't go after power scum, in which case I guess I would come up with a different defense.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

We've lynched one mafia already. We should lynch all mafia players regardless of their possible power.

So you are defending yourself by saying that you are not powerful mafia. So by extension you are a mafia goon?

[got tonkaed]

No again you are misreading. If our goal is to target players who are power scum then I feel pretty comfortable saying I am not the guy you need to target.

As mentioned in the last post, if you feel like power scum arent worth targeting, I would need a different defense, because much like half the people in this game, there isnt a strong reason to assume most of them aren't a low level scum.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

I will keep going until you make a coherent and clear answer to the question. Yes I am misreading on purpose, but you are not making sense.

Why should we not lynch you today? We are looking to lynch mafia players.

[got tonkaed]

Because I am not a mafia member. Mafia players overread situations to try and bandwagon.

The only case toward me being scum would be that I was very inactive at the end of D1. The fact that I pretty much missed the deadline entirely, not just didn't vote streaker or defend him, should be evidence that my inactivity was RL based not game based.

Townies don't try to create cases where there aren't cases. Keep that in mind wing.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

There we go.

[StorrZerg]

Got tonkaed, give us some direction then. Who has been playing scummy. Who is likely town. Cause from my standpoint it's not about lynching powerful scum, it's about lynching scum.

[StorrZerg]

Also I believe your inactivity is for rl,how ever I have no reason to town read you.

Even by low activity standard of mtamb I can read him off his early actions and attitude, you are just blank imo.

[got tonkaed]

I guess I just don't play the way you would want me to storr. When I don't have a ton of information I don't really have anything to lead with, because I am not some great scum reader (as evidenced by d1 HP). I would generally agree that mets, IB, and wing dont seem scummy with their posts.

I'd be slightly worried that with variance even if you were not anti-town, giving out a bunch of vig shots ends up being anti-town. That's not a read though, that's just variance with a bunch of killing roles passed out. Even townie players can mis vig.

[StorrZerg]

Don't talk about on going games plz.

It isn't about how well you can read people it's about effort in trying. If you don't vote or read people how are we supposed to read you.

Wagoning isn't inherently scummy, it's needed to get claims and lynches, yes it can be read as scummy, but sometimes it's needed to drop your push, to ensure a lynch/claim happens. Look at mets. I'm town reading him because he stopped pushing on me, noticed his choice wasn't happening, and helped push a claim. He unvoted and believed the claim. Mets isn't dumb, if he is mafia he knows streaker is dead, no reason to lose credit to save him. Not to mention he hardly put up a fight on that.


Thus my end point is, you haven't wagoned for any reason, thus it makes me think you are avoiding lynches which I do find suspect

[got tonkaed]

I don't disagree about what you are saying about wagons but it is not like there is a huge sample size. I didn't really have much to wagon on early d1 and I don't really think wagoning in the jokey voting phase matters much anyway.

So basically it comes back to you not having a read on me for something that you are willing to believe as an excuse. Like we can't go back in time to make me wagon d1, so I feel like its kind of one of those things you would drop until I wasn't wagoning d2. I'm happy to throw a vote on Streaker if thats the way things are going to go.

Right now its just circular logic.

[StorrZerg]

The logic is your not doing anything to break the cycle of doing nothing. Do something. Call someone scum, comment on a read someone gave.

Do you agree with my read on mets?

What about dd5?

[got tonkaed]

I said I didn't think mets was scum. I am not as sure on dd, but I can't say I remember reading a post that was scummy from him.

Its not super honest if I do the things you want me to do as far as commenting on reads and then say I don't do it.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Townies don't try to create cases where there aren't cases. Keep that in mind wing.

How about explaining this comment. It felt to mean like the start of an accusation against me, or to put it differently, creating a case where there is no case.

[got tonkaed]

It was to get you to shut up. You were trying to make something out of thin air. It did not work.

[StorrZerg]

@Got tonkaed then call me scum for it. Or call me town for trying to get you engaged in