Actors Mafia Endgame: Town Wins

[new guy1]

im sorry, i didnt take it into account. had a very eventful day yesterday so i guess i just forgot other people have lives too. im about to make a large post about the past day, so it will sum up what happened day 4.

[new guy1]

possible leads- does mafia and town both actually have role blockers? - day 4, bg and VS both claimed to have been role blocked. if VS was actually role blocked, then it would prevent a kill like on night 3. that leaves bg, how can we prove that he was actually role blocked? VS's story was true the whole time, so we might want to look into bg. drake later thought that VS was rb by town and bg by mafia, clearly accusing VS of being mafia aligned (maybe)? drake claims to not know his role on day 4, jonty makes a suggestion that it is silly to block an inventor 2 nights in a row, pretty much wiping his slate clean (saying its not what he would do) MoB agrees. drunkmonkey seems to be clean.

all from page 41 ^^^

DM FOS Mr s--- DM confirms Zimmah is being truthful (DM stayed home)
BG votes Mr S and claims to have an idea to make a list of those who are not helping who seem to come only to lynch.
Soundman used his abilities to show that DM was not visited the night before he was lynched, but it never said DM's activities.
you guys talk about me
start smoking VS out

Page 42&43 ^^^

Blakebowling
Newguy1
Shaggydan / mr. Squirrel
Mob Deadly
Sg7 / Pancakemix
Spiesr
Gillipig / Jonty

list given on page 44 ^^^

Blakebowling---sorry, dont know if they claimed
Newguy1--- bulletproof
Shaggydan / mr. Squirrel---sorry, dont know if they claimed
Sg7 / Pancakemix---sorry, dont know if they claimed
Spiesr---sorry, dont know if they claimed
Gillipig / Jonty---sorry, dont know if they claimed

voted on VS 44-47 Zimmah hammers VS gives last dieing words--- bg posts picture possibly accusing Mr S???

VS points towards- zimmah-- rambo (tracker)-- seems to be true (refer back to DM actions of staying home)
jonty- did he claim??
MoB (dead)--- DEAD
Drake- did he claim??

pretty much Day 5 starts... pretty long message but makes it so you dont really have to read all of the past 6 pages. may not have included all the details, but got the jest of it... sorry if long messages annoy you guys, but it was the easiest way for me to do it.

[new guy1]

sorry if there are any errors in the above message, i forgot to proof read, but that was my research of day 4.

[drunkmonkey]

I have a couple suspicions, but I'd really like to see what information BG & zimmah got from the night.

[new guy1]

i believe we should look at jonty and drake, as they have not been proven wrong on VS's list. i mean, just look into them and see what they have to say, not attempt a lynch or anything yet.

[drunkmonkey]

i believe we should look at jonty and drake, as they have not been proven wrong on VS's list. i mean, just look into them and see what they have to say, not attempt a lynch or anything yet.

VS only had four "suspects" on his list - one had claimed (zimmah), one had a clean investigation (jonty), and one turned up town (MoB). Drake is the only one left. The rest were "likely town" with little or no reasoning. No offense to VS, but I don't think we should be using that list today. That's not to say we shouldn't have a look at jonty or drake, just not for that reason.

The remaining players are:

blakebowling
newguy1 (claimed Town Bulletproof)
Mr. Squirrel (claimed role that "can kill", maybe one-shot or bomb?)
safariguy5 (claimed Town Bodyguard)
zimmah (claimed Town Tracker)
drunkmonkey
pancakemix
spiesr
jonty (had a "clean" investigation from BG)
drake (has a role - used it on VS N1)
BGtheBrain (claimed Town Inventor)

[new guy1]

thats one thing i thought about but i figured it was a place to start. we could start by trying to get someone to come forward that has any info on the 4 players that havent claimed.

[drunkmonkey]

There are actually 7 who haven't claimed; we just got a little information on them throughout the game. Like I said before, I'm going to wait a little bit before starting a case. I want to see if zimmah or BG have any hard information first.

[new guy1]

sounds good to me. ill be here in about 7 hours maybe?

[jonty125]

Sorry zimmah but I'm not claiming just because you asked - if it were a massclaim, I would but at the moment its just you but if you have any info about me you would like to share, feel free and I will say why I was there

[zimmah]

Sorry zimmah but I'm not claiming just because you asked - if it were a massclaim, I would but at the moment its just you but if you have any info about me you would like to share, feel free and I will say why I was there

that makes you suspicious in my books, i have never played the role you have, but i would not believe claiming would hurt town at this point in the game, leaving me to believe you are in fact mafia busdriver.

you visited 2 persons last night, namely Mobdeadly and Drunkmonkey, what do you have to say in defense?

i wasn't telling this before, in the hopes you'd claim something else so i could catch you lying, obviously that's not going to work, but i'm suspecting you're now actually a mafia aligned busdriver. i know you're busdriver unless there's more roles that allow you to target 2 persons, but i wasn't sure what alignment you have.

bus drivers are not considered power roles i believe, so i am not going to buy 'mafia would likely target me' as a solid argument. also i'd expect mafia to know by now that there is in fact a busdriver in the game, unless mafia is really stupid. any more reason to not claim i'm not aware of?

besides, if you were town aligned, wouldn't it be smarter to swap the likely target for the bulletproof to prevent a kill?

[jonty125]

Sorry zimmah but I'm not claiming just because you asked - if it were a massclaim, I would but at the moment its just you but if you have any info about me you would like to share, feel free and I will say why I was there

that makes you suspicious in my books, i have never played the role you have, but i would not believe claiming would hurt town at this point in the game, leaving me to believe you are in fact mafia busdriver.

you visited 2 persons last night, namely Mobdeadly and Drunkmonkey, what do you have to say in defense?

i wasn't telling this before, in the hopes you'd claim something else so i could catch you lying, obviously that's not going to work, but i'm suspecting you're now actually a mafia aligned busdriver. i know you're busdriver unless there's more roles that allow you to target 2 persons, but i wasn't sure what alignment you have.

bus drivers are not considered power roles i believe, so i am not going to buy 'mafia would likely target me' as a solid argument. also i'd expect mafia to know by now that there is in fact a busdriver in the game, unless mafia is really stupid. any more reason to not claim i'm not aware of?

besides, if you were town aligned, wouldn't it be smarter to swap the likely target for the bulletproof to prevent a kill?

Yes I'm a busdriver but I'm town. And the bulletproof claimed today so get your facts straight.

[jonty125]

I targeted mob and drunk last night.

So the mafia targeted drunk who was busdriven with Mob so Mob died

So why would mafia not target mob directly

[zimmah]

Sorry zimmah but I'm not claiming just because you asked - if it were a massclaim, I would but at the moment its just you but if you have any info about me you would like to share, feel free and I will say why I was there

that makes you suspicious in my books, i have never played the role you have, but i would not believe claiming would hurt town at this point in the game, leaving me to believe you are in fact mafia busdriver.

you visited 2 persons last night, namely Mobdeadly and Drunkmonkey, what do you have to say in defense?

i wasn't telling this before, in the hopes you'd claim something else so i could catch you lying, obviously that's not going to work, but i'm suspecting you're now actually a mafia aligned busdriver. i know you're busdriver unless there's more roles that allow you to target 2 persons, but i wasn't sure what alignment you have.

bus drivers are not considered power roles i believe, so i am not going to buy 'mafia would likely target me' as a solid argument. also i'd expect mafia to know by now that there is in fact a busdriver in the game, unless mafia is really stupid. any more reason to not claim i'm not aware of?

besides, if you were town aligned, wouldn't it be smarter to swap the likely target for the bulletproof to prevent a kill?

Yes I'm a busdriver but I'm town. And the bulletproof claimed today so get your facts straight.

eben tho he did claim today, maybe you did have some information on him from your own actions combined with the scenes.

i mean if you swap 2 players and the same night a kill gets prevented, you may start to think 1 of those could have been the target, and the other one may have been protected in some way or have bulletproof abilities.

anyway, can you provide us with more information on previous night actions now that you have claimed? also, why didn't you claim before?

not sure why mafia would do that, maybe to prevent a protect?

[BGtheBrain]

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[drunkmonkey]

Town busdriver actually makes sense to me. VS was painting MoB as the top suspect, and frankly, his actions were a bit off. I figured he would be the top case today, so it came as a surprise when mafia killed him.

fastposted by BG: Does that mean you used the proton pack on Mr. Squirrel?

[zimmah]

quick note: Blake Bowling has maintained his inactivity.

I was not told I was roleblocked last night, and I didnt get any results of any type.
So god only knows wtf the proton pack did.

my trust in you drops more each day, claiming 2 consecutive roleblocks and now claiming you don't have ANY clue what happened.

there's no way we can ever even test your stories.

[BGtheBrain]

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[BGtheBrain]

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[zimmah]

Your ridiculous zimmah.

What do you want me to say?

I clearly was trying to kill Mr S (Consensus was Proton Pack was Vig Kill)
I targeted him 3 straight times. The first 2, I was told I was roleblocked. Last night I was not told that.

I received no information to the results of my action and Mr S is alive.

f you want to kill him try the ghost trap next time. but i'm not even so sure Mr. S is actually our guy. if he is, why not just lynch him?

but anyway, let's assume you and jonty are both town. then we have:

drake259
Drunkmonkey
Blakebowling
Pancakemix
Spiesr

left to suspect. we know drake has a role, but he has been awfully silent about it. we know drunkmonkey either has no role, or choose not to use it on night 3. we basicly know nothing at all about the other 3. Mr.S. claimed to have a role that could kill, but he said he never used it because it's a risky role and probably some non-standard bastard role. the other claims are basicly pretty straightforward and i have no reason to doubt them. i guess i'm pretty clear as well, as noone was ever able to proof me wrong even after all those guys i have watched.

i'd think drake is not a roleblocker, because back in day 1 she (flores) targeted VS, and he still managed to make a kill. so unless flores/drake was roleblocked as well, drake can not be a roleblocker. also, the lack of activity and information we got from him, as well as the likely absence of a doctor (with an inventor, jailkeeper, bulletproof, busdriver and bodyguard and cop, and 2 watchers i don't believe there's a doctor) i wouldn't know what other role he could possibly have that helps town. might be some mafia-role, but what is it. it can't be busdriver as i would have gotten 2 results.


i think we have to watch carefully on those 5 guys.

[jonty125]

N1 Conzo and BG
N2 edoc and BG
N3 saf and BG
N4 MoB and drunk

My original plan was to protect the claimed but there was about 4 claims in 2 days. So I started busdriving the last 2 to claim.

[BGtheBrain]

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[Mr. Squirrel]

I received no information to the results of my action and Mr S is alive.

I am (thanks to my 1-shot bulletproof vest that you just shot off...). Although the fact that you did try to kill me was slightly beneficial to my role so no hard feelings.

[drunkmonkey]

I don't think blake's inactivity can be excused any longer. Here's a breakdown of his posts:

D1 - Sept 30 (confirm)
D1 - Oct 2 (jokevote)
D2 - Oct 17-20 (15 posts)
D2 - Oct 24 ("Who's soundman?")
D2 - Oct 27 (apology for inactivity)
D3 - Oct 31 (apology for inactivity, "I'm not scum")
D3 - Nov 1 (nothing of value)
D3 - Nov 3 (apology for inactivity, 6th vote on edocsil)
Nov 4-14, no posts

The only time he was active was D2, after BG & zimmah tried to build a case on him. It should be noted he was very active during this time, especially in contrast to his overall play. His posts consisted mainly of an OMGUS votes on BG and zimmah, which he tried to turn into real cases. When the BG case doesn't gain steam, he switches to zimmah. After zimmah's claim, he unvotes, and switches back to the BG case. He then ends his day with no vote and effectively disappears, with the pressure gone from him.

MoB even had an interesting observation about it on D2:

I dont really want to pressure / vote on Zimmah because his activity mostly. He has been one of the most active, even though I agree he is trying to make a case on blake that hardly exists. I think by his activity we will be able to determine his alliance in a day or so. If he is scum, he wont be able to keep this pace going throughout the game because he will just have to mysteriously disappear for important votes on scum or defend them

Sure enough, blake has mysteriously disappeared. Yes, he's blamed work, but that didn't stop him from vehemently defending himself when his name was brought up. I think if there's ever a case of "scumarining", this is it.

vote blakebowling

[drunkmonkey]

EBWOP: I just re-read and realized that quote from MoB was likely referring to zimmah, and not blake. It doesn't change my view on the case.