[Official] Team CC Mafia [Finished]

[safariguy5]

Wait what? I thought Yoshi admitted to being mafia. Whether or not naxus is cult recruiter is one thing, but I'm pretty sure Yoshi is mafia. And I still propose lynching the last remaining mafia to prevent a mafia NK on Night 4. That seems to be the logical thing to do. We already have naxus as cult, we can NK him without having to worry about what mafia is going to do.

[Victor Sullivan]

Wait what? I thought Yoshi admitted to being mafia. Whether or not naxus is cult recruiter is one thing, but I'm pretty sure Yoshi is mafia. And I still propose lynching the last remaining mafia to prevent a mafia NK on Night 4. That seems to be the logical thing to do. We already have naxus as cult, we can NK him without having to worry about what mafia is going to do.

Yup.

-Sully

[naxus]

Wait what? I thought Yoshi admitted to being mafia. Whether or not naxus is cult recruiter is one thing, but I'm pretty sure Yoshi is mafia. And I still propose lynching the last remaining mafia to prevent a mafia NK on Night 4. That seems to be the logical thing to do. We already have naxus as cult, we can NK him without having to worry about what mafia is going to do.

Where did yoshi claim mafia?(Sorry if this is really obvious)

[safariguy5]

I thought a mafia hunter was someone who got to choose who to kill when he died... I looked it up rather than asking. Turns out I was wrong.

I was a regular goon, that's why my play picked up after I thought I could count on surviving an investigation.

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[Rodion]

Wait what? I thought Yoshi admitted to being mafia. Whether or not naxus is cult recruiter is one thing, but I'm pretty sure Yoshi is mafia. And I still propose lynching the last remaining mafia to prevent a mafia NK on Night 4. That seems to be the logical thing to do. We already have naxus as cult, we can NK him without having to worry about what mafia is going to do.

Where did yoshi claim mafia?(Sorry if this is really obvious)

Yes it is a confession. I am TSL, the mod who tells the town who the mafia are after making them godfathers.

This would be the cleanest confession post. TSL = The Saxlad.

[naxus]

Wait what? I thought Yoshi admitted to being mafia. Whether or not naxus is cult recruiter is one thing, but I'm pretty sure Yoshi is mafia. And I still propose lynching the last remaining mafia to prevent a mafia NK on Night 4. That seems to be the logical thing to do. We already have naxus as cult, we can NK him without having to worry about what mafia is going to do.

Where did yoshi claim mafia?(Sorry if this is really obvious)

Yes it is a confession. I am TSL, the mod who tells the town who the mafia are after making them godfathers.

This would be the cleanest confession post. TSL = The Saxlad.

Right thanks got my games mixed up there

[Mr. Squirrel]

Yea, I'm still all for lynching yoshi. We can't leave him to the vigs without risking him killing one of our own. And if he is cult, like rodion suggests, then it will show up and we can deal with that tmrw

[naxus]

Well unvote vote doom to move things along

[Rodion]

Yea, I'm still all for lynching yoshi. We can't leave him to the vigs without risking him killing one of our own. And if he is cult, like rodion suggests, then it will show up and we can deal with that tmrw

Careful with the words. Commander's already on a bloodlust against me and I don't want that to get worse.
I just found it strange that Naxus said Gilligan didn't go anywhere, since Gilligan killed Firth. Then I conceived a story that could explain why Naxus said what he did. I'm not sure I've nailed the absolute truth: I myself found some holes - although solutionable - and asked people to make inputs. Unfortunately, your emoticon answer was the closest I got to a feedback.


Yoshi certainly is not town, so lynching him is a low risk option. If he flips recruited, then I might have found the recruiter (Naxus). If he flips mafia godfather, at least we didn't lynch a townie and got rid of an anti-town NK. Same if he flips mafia non-godfather, with the added certainty that we can't trust a word Naxus says (as his report should have gotten a guilty and he said Yoshi was innocent).

13 alive, 7 to lynch.

Yoshi has 4 votes - Safari, Squirrel, Jonty and Naxus

Yoshi's L-3.

I'll wait for Commander's response on our discussion before I (probably) vote on Yoshi as well. I just don't want a quick hammer interrupting the discussion.

[Mr. Squirrel]

Yea, I'm still all for lynching yoshi. We can't leave him to the vigs without risking him killing one of our own. And if he is cult, like rodion suggests, then it will show up and we can deal with that tmrw

Careful with the words. Commander's already on a bloodlust against me and I don't want that to get worse.
I just found it strange that Naxus said Gilligan didn't go anywhere, since Gilligan killed Firth. Then I conceived a story that could explain why Naxus said what he did. I'm not sure I've nailed the absolute truth: I myself found some holes - although solutionable - and asked people to make inputs. Unfortunately, your emoticon answer was the closest I got to a feedback.

Your theory is pretty much speculation and is hard to respond to. It points out some important holes in naxus' story, but it also has some holes itself. I'm open to the idea that naxus could be leading us along and getting his mates lynched (its definitely not the strangest thing i've ever seen in a mafia) but I would rather see more evidence before we jumped to that conclusion.

Lynching yoshi is right now the best option for us. Not only does it oust the last mafia member (hopefully) but it also has the bonus of shedding some light on your theory, rodion.

[Victor Sullivan]

13 alive, 7 to lynch.

Yoshi has 4 votes - Safari, Squirrel, Jonty and Naxus

Yoshi's L-3.

I thought I voted Yoshi...?

Ah, no matter: vote Doom(ed)Yoshi

[pancakemix]

So is the plan to just go ahead and lynch Yoshi? Is there anything else we wanted to get through today?

[safariguy5]

So is the plan to just go ahead and lynch Yoshi? Is there anything else we wanted to get through today?

I'm pretty sure the plan is to have the vig NK naxus too. Would also help clear up this Commander and Rodion discussion a bit too I think.

[DoomYoshi]

Um... maybe the plan should be to kill saf, the likely cult recruiter...?

[jeraado]

I assumed yoshi was being sarcastic, but I'm not very good at reading that type of thing...

Before we lynch yoshi though, I think we should work our way through the naxus question. Investigator is a pretty common claim for an anti-town role. Personally I had completely missed how odd it was that he had picked gilligan as recruited. Now that it has been spelt out, it doesn't seem to fit the role that naxus has claimed. I'd like to hear an explanation from him.

I agree that we've got to lynch the remaining mafia before they can kill again, but I don't think it would hurt to talk more about this case before we do.

[naxus]

I assumed yoshi was being sarcastic, but I'm not very good at reading that type of thing...

Before we lynch yoshi though, I think we should work our way through the naxus question. Investigator is a pretty common claim for an anti-town role. Personally I had completely missed how odd it was that he had picked gilligan as recruited. Now that it has been spelt out, it doesn't seem to fit the role that naxus has claimed. I'd like to hear an explanation from him.

I agree that we've got to lynch the remaining mafia before they can kill again, but I don't think it would hurt to talk more about this case before we do.

Explanation of what exactly now?

[Rodion]

Of why you were also a tracker and claimed that Gilligan didn't go anywhere when he NKed Firth?

[naxus]

When did Gilligan claim the kill on Firth?

Tracker I said what results I got.

[Rodion]

N2 flavour - mafia killed Haggis, town vig killed Firth (and was immediately recruited to the cult).

Gilligan flipped recruited vig, but you said he didn't go anywhere.

[naxus]

To my knowledge he didn't

[Rodion]

Commander9 has been posting on other games, so we should be able to resume the discussion soon.

Don't think I've ever voted today, but just to be safe unvote.

Vote Yoshi.

This puts Yoshi on L-1. (I think we should somehow force Naxus to unvote so he can hammer - just in case Yoshi is a mafia bomb)

[naxus]

Ha ha ha....Rodion your super paranoid after terminator huh? FYI it is kind of a rarer role

[Commander9]

For some reason it's rather to believe that.

Hmm, you may have misunderstood me - I said that you never said that you wanted to kill me publicly. I still have my doubts about your thoughts. I also like how you try to go with grammatical stuff rather than talking about real context ("Ed confusing you" , "Not understanding that I'm referring to that team rather than just myself"). And yes, I was wrong about you saying that, but it there has been a lot of reading and this game was the last thing on my mind this last week.

You said that. Mr. Squirrel also said that. He later explained he was actually trying an investigation, not a NK. I just wrote that paragraph to show you that my original intent of questioning was not to put you in a bad light (as my original hypothesis was not negative to you at all), but merely to acquire information.

And, while after your "offer" nobody said "yes, do not forget to get Bleed NKed", we can also equally state that nobody said "I'd rather have you refrain from performing your NK on Bleed (or anyone else) tonight". I think you failed on your responsibility here by not bringing that subject again (until you had most people manifest themselves on your NK use) before we got Gilligan lynched. That's just my opinion, though.

I actually agree with this bit - I should have made sure and inquire again before the night what we should do, but as previously said, it may be shocking, but I consider exams to be more important than CC and that I prefer to worry about them during my finals week.

In the end, it doesn't really matter whether you are unrecruitable or not. Assuming you're town like you claim you are. Your optimal choice would be to claim your full powers and get Yoshi lynched (so there are no NKs against you). Asking PCM not to busdrive you could also be an optimal move, as you don't risk killing yourself. Anyway, after killing Yoshi and establishing that you are unkillable, here's what we have.

1 - If the cult attempts to recruit you and you are unrecruitable, they have wasted their night action on you. You're still town and you managed to waste a cult night action.
2 - If the cult attempts to recruit you and you are recruitable, they did not waste your night action on you. And that is actually good for you, because you're now from the cult and your winning condition has changed (again).

It does matter to me, actually. It takes away my advantage to a specific thing I can do and I do not want that destroyed. Even if I would claim, that would still not mean that I'm unkillable - in these games barely anyone ever is. Information is power and unless there is no other choices, you should not give it away.

1. Yes, this is true, but what is stopping that from happening right now? Nothing.
2. Meh - first of all, I don't really like to be a cultie in these games as it takes away from the fun (Rather than achieving your win, you may suddenly get it handed to you). Second of all, I'd rather win town.

From what I understand from my mafia games so far (1 completed and 3 active), the reason pro-town people try to hide their identities is so they are not killed by the mafia if they reveal themselves to be too powerful. You can eliminate that threat right now by lynching Yoshi (since, as of now, nobody has disputed his affirmation that there are only 4 mafia, not 5). This is why I asked what exactly you fear by explaining more about your powers.

Now, you've just said that your powers are undone if you explain them. Assuming that is true, it can either be:
a) your powers rely on "psychology" to some extent - by telling people what you can do, these tactics become unnefective (as people can expect that from you and change their behaviours accordingly)
b) you were imposed a restriction - mod said he'd metaphysically strip you from your powers if you mentioned them.

Can you at least tell us if it's "a" or "b"?

And a question to everyone with experience: when you have some sort of posting restriction, how far can you go as explaining that you can't quite explain what people want due to a restriction?

There are still plenty of unknown quantity in this game and while it is still around, I am not going to disclose all of my information either. Furthermore, if I would reveal you whether it is a or b, I would basically being revealing the whole thing. Good try, Rodion.

No you wouldn't, because the more expirenced mafia gamers will be able to metagame when you played Princess Bride mafia and know when your a townie vig you don't go into super kill mode and won't buy your towine claim. Also you don't want to shoot yourself in the foot by lynching cult.

Fastpost:Haven't read Rodion's post, sorry if this contradicts or rementions anything he said.

WIFOM.


Anyways, from the last posts it's pretty clear that Naxus has been recruited and since I see you're not willing to lynch him and preferring to go with Yoshi, we'll make sure that Naxus doesn't survive until tomorrow.

[Rodion]

Ha ha ha....Rodion your super paranoid after terminator huh? FYI it is kind of a rarer role

That sucked!
And there was a second bomb in that game!


Alright, Commander, I'm satisfied (not because I've discovered everything I wanted, but rather because I doubt I can extract any more information from you before D5 arrives). N5's casualty (if any) will shed some light on things like your powers and your alignment.

I don't oppose anyone hammering right now.

[safariguy5]

Ha ha ha....Rodion your super paranoid after terminator huh? FYI it is kind of a rarer role

That sucked!
And there was a second bomb in that game!


Alright, Commander, I'm satisfied (not because I've discovered everything I wanted, but rather because I doubt I can extract any more information from you before D5 arrives). N5's casualty (if any) will shed some light on things like your powers and your alignment.

I don't oppose anyone hammering right now.

To be fair, the reason there were 2 bombs was because there was an extra mafia member in a 12 person game. I was trying to tweak balance there, you're probably not going to see more than 1 bomb in a game usually.