[Endgame] Firefly Mafia

[strike wolf]

Shaggy can confirm I was truthful. Tal? Chu? Anything useful?

Ya, I never got my results. But hey, I didn't die either! LOL. So either the mod is slacking and missed my PM, or my action was blocked.

Hmm...it would seem Nark knew he had been blocked. So that seems a little less likely...

[Commander9]

Shaggy can confirm I was truthful. Tal? Chu? Anything useful?

I highly doubt that Shaggy would lie, so I would buy his confirmation. I highly doubt that scum would be able to be a one-night mason with anyone in the game and I really don't see any role that would fit that flavour barring Mr. Universe (and from the scenes tell us, it's blue Blue Hands we have to worry about).

I do find it interesting that that Tal didn't get a result... Chu, got anything to say?

[Talapus]

Shaggy can confirm I was truthful. Tal? Chu? Anything useful?

I highly doubt that Shaggy would lie, so I would buy his confirmation. I highly doubt that scum would be able to be a one-night mason with anyone in the game and I really don't see any role that would fit that flavour barring Mr. Universe (and from the scenes tell us, it's blue Blue Hands we have to worry about).

I do find it interesting that that Tal didn't get a result... Chu, got anything to say?

LOL, log in this morning and now I have a pm from the mod. Guess he forgot. I investigated Firoal last night and got innocent.

[strike wolf]

That makes it pretty simple for me. vote commander

The only other possibility I see is scum has two roles that would show up innocent under investigation which is highly unlikely though perhaps not as unlikely as our only cop being naive

[Commander9]

That makes it pretty simple for me. vote commander

The only other possibility I see is scum has two roles that would show up innocent under investigation which is highly unlikely though perhaps not as unlikely as our only cop being naive

I do find it a bit interesting that you would vote me, but I really don't see how I can defend myself. Besides, it's definitely not the worst move for town - when I die, with another kill, there would still be 3 people and you'd have a shot.

I do have a questions about a scene for you then... It only shows that the shadow was waiting, which I'm assuming means he didn't attempt to do a kill. If I was the killer and I was roleblocked, it wouldn't say what is says in the scene. Obviously, as I survivor, I am very disappointed, but I can't fault you for wanting to lynch me and while I originally thought you as a scum, if shaggy does confirm your talk, you are most likely town.

[strike wolf]

That makes it pretty simple for me. vote commander

The only other possibility I see is scum has two roles that would show up innocent under investigation which is highly unlikely though perhaps not as unlikely as our only cop being naive

I do find it a bit interesting that you would vote me, but I really don't see how I can defend myself. Besides, it's definitely not the worst move for town - when I die, with another kill, there would still be 3 people and you'd have a shot.

I do have a questions about a scene for you then... It only shows that the shadow was waiting, which I'm assuming means he didn't attempt to do a kill. If I was the killer and I was roleblocked, it wouldn't say what is says in the scene. Obviously, as I survivor, I am very disappointed, but I can't fault you for wanting to lynch me and while I originally thought you as a scum, if shaggy does confirm your talk, you are most likely town.

It's pretty simple. I know I am town. I believe Tal's claim and highly doubt there are two investigation proof scum or that he would be Naive so that leads to only one unconfirmed role, by default you should be scum. Obviously I don't want to rush the lynch though so I advice people to at least wait for shaggy to confirm or deny my abilities before voting.

[Talapus]

Ya, we need to hear from Shaggy and Firc before coming to any kind of a decision. I would be very interested Shaggy on what strike said. Also Fir, who did you target last night?

[Fircoal]

Ya, we need to hear from Shaggy and Firc before coming to any kind of a decision. I would be very interested Shaggy on what strike said. Also Fir, who did you target last night?

I blocked Commander. If Shaggy confirms Strike, then this seems like a pretty open shut case to me.

[Commander9]

I do have a questions about a scene for you then... It only shows that the shadow was waiting, which I'm assuming means he didn't attempt to do a kill. If I was the killer and I was roleblocked, it wouldn't say what is says in the scene. Obviously, as I survivor, I am very disappointed, but I can't fault you for wanting to lynch me and while I originally thought you as a scum, if shaggy does confirm your talk, you are most likely town.

Can anyone answer this part?

I do feel that this could be a very good shot for Fir, if he is indeed Mafia Godfather (We haven't encountered one so far). He has a very strong fake claim that would support his existence and he could now lynch the easiest target to reduce the game to 4 players and then kill someone to make the game at 2-1 for town (LyLo).

[Fircoal]

I do have a questions about a scene for you then... It only shows that the shadow was waiting, which I'm assuming means he didn't attempt to do a kill. If I was the killer and I was roleblocked, it wouldn't say what is says in the scene. Obviously, as I survivor, I am very disappointed, but I can't fault you for wanting to lynch me and while I originally thought you as a scum, if shaggy does confirm your talk, you are most likely town.

Can anyone answer this part?

I do feel that this could be a very good shot for Fir, if he is indeed Mafia Godfather (We haven't encountered one so far). He has a very strong fake claim that would support his existence and he could now lynch the easiest target to reduce the game to 4 players and then kill someone to make the game at 2-1 for town (LyLo).

So you think that Edoc put in an Innocent Mafia and a Mafia Godfather? And besides is what Strike is saying is telling the truth, then isn't it very likely that I'll just be lynched the next day anyway?

[Talapus]

commander I will say I find it believable that there may have been a few survivors in this game. However, you were the only one to claim such. On top of which you claimed a character that all throughout the show, really the only times we saw or heard from him, was with his dealings with Fircoal's character. Your claimed character had a huge thing for Chu's throughout the series and I find really odd the mod wouldn't have used that some how in yours or Chu's role. If Shaggy can confirm stirkes ability then I really will see you as the best option.

[Commander9]

So you think that Edoc put in an Innocent Mafia and a Mafia Godfather? And besides is what Strike is saying is telling the truth, then isn't it very likely that I'll just be lynched the next day anyway?

I have seen things like that before, so I wouldn't say that it is impossible. Fair enough, I'm fine with that. I'm 99% sure that Shaggy is town and I do doubt that River is not pro-town (if she would be, then there would be 2 scum as Blue Hands is still out there), so I would only have doubts about you and Strike. Initially, I considered Strike to be the scummiest, but I doubt a scum would have such powers, so I end up thinking that you might be the last scum (especially, since we have no proof that you ever blocked anyone).

@ Talapus:

Inara wasn't really that connected to Badger?

[Talapus]

So you think that Edoc put in an Innocent Mafia and a Mafia Godfather? And besides is what Strike is saying is telling the truth, then isn't it very likely that I'll just be lynched the next day anyway?

I have seen things like that before, so I wouldn't say that it is impossible. Fair enough, I'm fine with that. I'm 99% sure that Shaggy is town and I do doubt that River is not pro-town (if she would be, then there would be 2 scum as Blue Hands is still out there), so I would only have doubts about you and Strike. Initially, I considered Strike to be the scummiest, but I doubt a scum would have such powers, so I end up thinking that you might be the last scum (especially, since we have no proof that you ever blocked anyone).

@ Talapus:

Inara wasn't really that connected to Badger?

LOL, FOS my ass for not putting my head in the game before posting that. For some reason I though you had claimed illy's character. Just got mixed up. Even still man, your character was so minor in the series it's kinda sad.

[Commander9]

LOL, FOS my ass for not putting my head in the game before posting that. For some reason I though you had claimed illy's character. Just got mixed up. Even still man, your character was so minor in the series it's kinda sad.

Minor character? lol. I still think that you're town, but manipulating to get my lynched does not look good on you and I am a bit afraid when I turn up as a survivor, you may be persecuted by others. Badger has appeared in at least 3-4 different series and considering the majority of characters, barring those in Firefly ship, he's quite significant. He provided jobs for the crew quite a few times and has been consistently in the series quite a few times...

[strike wolf]

Badger had a thing for Inara?

I would also argue if chu was mafia it would make more sense for him to kill tal or shaggy, claim to have blocked you, town would have lynched me and you and him would have won. With him knowing you were a 3rd party survivor it would have been the clear decision. Besides I gave evidence for why I believe chu is town yesterday even disregarding who he claimed to be and with tal giving him an innocent investigation result I believe him more than Shaggy and just as much as tal. As far as sitting back and waiting...it made as much sense for you to not send in a night action as scum. If you were blocked it wouldn't be sent anyways and if I was blocked and there was still a kill you'd be lynched faster than Shield after claiming lover. So unless you could win that night by killing someone it made more sense for you to wait.

[Talapus]

LOL, FOS my ass for not putting my head in the game before posting that. For some reason I though you had claimed illy's character. Just got mixed up. Even still man, your character was so minor in the series it's kinda sad.

Minor character? lol. I still think that you're town, but manipulating to get my lynched does not look good on you and I am a bit afraid when I turn up as a survivor, you may be persecuted by others. Badger has appeared in at least 3-4 different series and considering the majority of characters, barring those in Firefly ship, he's quite significant. He provided jobs for the crew quite a few times and has been consistently in the series quite a few times...

Ummmm, "manipulating" says the crooked buissinesman who can't be trusted. Ok mr criminal, why should I fully believe you to be a survivor?

[Commander9]

Ummmm, "manipulating" says the crooked buissinesman who can't be trusted. Ok mr criminal, why should I fully believe you to be a survivor?

Well, that's my role, not me. Not sure what I have done in this game to be untrustworthy. Why should you believe me? I really don't have anything to say than what I have - I don't have any actions, so I can't prove it through them. Balance wise, as we already discussed before (and you confirmed) it would make sense if there was a survivor. I really can't convince you "factually" that I am survivor. You already know how I have behaved, but I can understand that it's not enough. Also, it's 99% that it's not at LyLo, so lynching me possibly wouldn't have drastic results, so I really can't fault you for wanting to do this (as much as I hate to lose).

[ShaggyDan]

Sorry for the late reply, haven't had internet for a few days.

Strike contacted me via PM last night, his power is confirmed.

Out of the remaining players I think it's the safest to lynch Commander. Tal is basically confirmed River (cop) with innocent results on myself and Fircoal. Strike's power was confirmed last night and fits the flavour of his claim.

Even if he is a survivor we still have another shot at a lynch tomorrow. If Commander does flip survivor though then I honestly have no idea where to go next. Most probably Strike, with the assumption that the blue hands have the ability to contact people *shrugs*.

The only other possibilities would be River lieing and being scum (very doubtful) or some kind of scummy bus-driver mixing up the innocent results (again unlikley).

Vote Commander

Sorry if you really are Badger, but like yesterday it's the safest and most logical move to make.

[strike wolf]

A wise mafia player once said that a mafia busdriver is almost as dangerous as the godfather. So yeah it does seem a bit over powerful for mafia to have a doc, an innocent scum and a bus driver (and we don't really know what powers the Operative had). With all the space ships and stuff it kind of fits flavor except that we don't even know if the Blue Hands had their own ship. All said though I believe fircoal and tal slightly more than you but I highly doubt it's coming to that.

[Commander9]

I can't say that I'm not disappointed, but I can see your logic, Shaggy. I do think that this is not a good decision, but I can see the reasons and I can understand them. Also, when I die and turn out survivor, don't go for Strike - Fir is much more likely to be scum, as we don't have any evidence of him in the scenes of him or his roleblocking, while Strike has proved his powers by contacting you.

I do have a questions about a scene for you then... It only shows that the shadow was waiting, which I'm assuming means he didn't attempt to do a kill. If I was the killer and I was roleblocked, it wouldn't say what is says in the scene. Obviously, as I survivor, I am very disappointed, but I can't fault you for wanting to lynch me and while I originally thought you as a scum, if shaggy does confirm your talk, you are most likely town.

Can anyone answer this part?

Before I get lynched for being a survivor... Can someone explain this? Whoever is the last mafia - well played, Sir, well played.

[Fircoal]

I do have a questions about a scene for you then... It only shows that the shadow was waiting, which I'm assuming means he didn't attempt to do a kill. If I was the killer and I was roleblocked, it wouldn't say what is says in the scene. Obviously, as I survivor, I am very disappointed, but I can't fault you for wanting to lynch me and while I originally thought you as a scum, if shaggy does confirm your talk, you are most likely town.

Can anyone answer this part?

Before I get lynched for being a survivor... Can someone explain this? Whoever is the last mafia - well played, Sir, well played.

It's simple. Everything you said is true, but it's all WIFOM. It does not matter who made the choice not to kill, all it matters is someone did. Who that is, none of us can tell. You may say that it wouldn't be you as you were the likely roleblock choice, but I think we both know that in the end this is just a WIFOM argument. At least to me it seems it's your last way to get out alive.

[strike wolf]

Badger had a thing for Inara?

I would also argue if chu was mafia it would make more sense for him to kill tal or shaggy, claim to have blocked you, town would have lynched me and you and him would have won. With him knowing you were a 3rd party survivor it would have been the clear decision. Besides I gave evidence for why I believe chu is town yesterday even disregarding who he claimed to be and with tal giving him an innocent investigation result I believe him more than Shaggy and just as much as tal. As far as sitting back and waiting...it made as much sense for you to not send in a night action as scum. If you were blocked it wouldn't be sent anyways and if I was blocked and there was still a kill you'd be lynched faster than Shield after claiming lover. So unless you could win that night by killing someone it made more sense for you to wait.

[Talapus]

Ok, honestly if Strike and Fircoal are pulling the wool over our eyes in this somehow then I have to say mad props to you both. Just flat out, mad props guys. But I agree commander is the safest lynch so I really hope you aren't survivor man. With all the claimed roles though it makes the most sense to lynch you(Please be scum).

Vote: Commander9

[strike wolf]

Ok, honestly if Strike and Fircoal are pulling the wool over our eyes in this somehow then I have to say mad props to you both. Just flat out, mad props guys. But I agree commander is the safest lynch so I really hope you aren't survivor man. With all the claimed roles though it makes the most sense to lynch you(Please be scum).

Vote: Commander9

Well if we were both scum I would say the game leans a bit towards mafia in balance.

[Commander9]

Well if we were both scum I would say the game leans a bit towards mafia in balance.

So you admit one of you is scum? Not that it will save me. Good game, mafia - you've deserved this.