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[Falkomagno]

I just have a couple things to say.

1.The one who strikes first, strikes twice, I suddenly put myself in a defending position, who just makes me look scummier. The fact that pmc has called my votes as BW a couple of times, since every vote that I've done has been the first received for that person, , and stills the first thing that three people says in this game it's about my scummyness.(And I'm still arguing that ). That tells me that maybe a large defense it's not good at all, even if the intentions are goods. I've been a confusing factor for the town it seems like.

2. Why 2 people are calling me ignorant so far?. I mean, all townies are ignorants since we don't know each other, but, telling something like.." you are so ignorant..." I don't know, it seems personal, and I don't undertand why.

3 I said that I'll stop my activity here, but not because I'm inmature or ignorant or piss off, just to allow, to incentivate others player to give their owns thoughts about the situation,as nearly has happened.

[Hologram]

"Incentivate", good word.

[sam_levi_11]

Hold on, did sam actually just talk sense in a mafia game

FOS pmc, obviously meant to encourage me, but i have a feeling he wants me to push for the lynch of falko.

[pmchugh]

Hold on, did sam actually just talk sense in a mafia game

FOS pmc, obviously meant to encourage me, but i have a feeling he wants me to push for the lynch of falko.

Not quite sam, in fact you argued points agianst what I was saying, i.e. He is just being a noob. I just thought you actually thought it out well and I agreed with some of your points. One thing you cannot accuse me of is trying to shirk the responsibility of being the one going after falko its pretty clear I am the main instigator.

I just have a couple things to say.

1.The one who strikes first, strikes twice, I suddenly put myself in a defending position, who just makes me look scummier. The fact that pmc has called my votes as BW a couple of times, since every vote that I've done has been the first received for that person, , and stills the first thing that three people says in this game it's about my scummyness.(And I'm still arguing that ). That tells me that maybe a large defense it's not good at all, even if the intentions are goods. I've been a confusing factor for the town it seems like.

2. Why 2 people are calling me ignorant so far?. I mean, all townies are ignorants since we don't know each other, but, telling something like.." you are so ignorant..." I don't know, it seems personal, and I don't undertand why.

3 I said that I'll stop my activity here, but not because I'm inmature or ignorant or piss off, just to allow, to incentivate others player to give their owns thoughts about the situation,as nearly has happened.

I disagree in fact, the fact you kept posting and defending yourself made me think one thing; you actually care about the game. Whether that's because you actually scum or not I don't know.

However I am going to stop hunting you for the moment anyway, too many people are getting away with saying nothing.

Alright, I'm seeking a replacement for ace. I sent him a prod and he has yet to respond.

To all other players, if you've avoided participation for whatever reason and are actually silently active, let me know in some way, shape, or form so I don't have to go out and prod/replace you as well. You should know who you are, but I'm especially looking at SEAsportsfan and Simon Viavant.

The mod said this and since then Drench has not posted a thing yet is still in the game, he also logged in earlier today according to his profile.

This spells out to me that he is actively lurking, therefore unvote vote drench

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Unvote Vote Drench that is true that he would fall under the category of actively lurking since he isn't even posting now. I'll be adding a pressure vote to get him to start chatting.

[Falkomagno]

And I wonder what happened with Scoop

[Stroop]

And I wonder what happened with Scoop

It's Stroop. I was re-reading and writing this while you posted. Enjoy:

Alright... less busy times are on the horizon, so I managed to afford to re-read this thread.

2. Why 2 people are calling me ignorant so far?. I mean, all townies are ignorants since we don't know each other, but, telling something like.." you are so ignorant..." I don't know, it seems personal, and I don't undertand why.

It's easy to mistake things like that for an attack on your person, but just never take things personally in any mafia game. They probably meant that you're not entirely familiar with the game yet (which is true, isn't it?).

3 I said that I'll stop my activity here, but not because I'm inmature or ignorant or piss off, just to allow, to incentivate others player to give their owns thoughts about the situation,as nearly has happened.

Going inactive when there's pressure on you isn't good for you or the game. You look bad and the game slows down. Also, to get the game moving again, people will vote for an easy target (you).

Now, time for business:

vote pmc

vote drench for his future scummyness. (voting himself)

Wow I must be phsycic

I don't think Drench's self-vote is scummy, as he does it in every game nowadays, but perhaps you could explain? It doesn't really allow him to avoid unwanted attention if he's scum, like jnd theorized.

Maybe it's just good fun for you, or maybe you wanted to emphasize how awesomely anti-scum you are and how "scummy" Drench was for his self-vote. Either way, I think this post caused SEAsportsfan to vote Drench, which makes me think he's got reason to follow you blindly.

As much as i hate drench's technique I have to unvote.

VOTE DRENCH if he wants to get the ball rolling, well then, so be it.

This is just clear bandaggoning, yes his move is scummy but he dos it when town as said by the mod.

unvote vote sea

On to the next plausible target, eh? Sure, SEA's vote doesn't look good, but your vote doesn't look much better to me, whether SEA is town or your scumbuddy.

May I be the first person to say that I absolutely hate Drench's tactic of voting himself first every game. Not because voting himself is scummy but because of his excuse i.e. I always do it.

It's scummy yet because he does it when town you can't use it against him, therefore I don't hold it against those that voted him and those that didn't. So I asked myself what would scum do?

There are two options IMO:

1. Drench is scum, so scum buddies come to his defense. i.e. Me, simon and LSU.
2. Drench is town, so scum go after him when under the spotlight then when people come to his aide they quickly change there opinion and end up accusing those accusing Drench. And the person that fills this perfectly is Falkmango:

and why drench vote for himself?...quite suspicious

mmm...scummy behaviour around.....unvote

Let's analize deeper

I think that jnd vote,without a reason it's so scummy...vote jnd

He is also very reluctant to vote only when he has a secure tell, i.e. voting without a given reason. I think he is trying to avoid suspicion and guide the town into lynching anyone.

mmm...scummy behaviour around.....unvote

Let's analize deeper

Sorry for the requote but read this and tell me it's not scummy. He is just waiting for someone to start a bandwagon so he can jump on he doesn't offer anything himself and is just waiting to follow anyone. Drench comes along and says jnd is suspicious he sees the wagon coming and there goes his vote.

So IMO either Drench is scum or Falkomango is, I think the tells are stronger on Falk therefore unvote vote falkomagno.

Falko doesn't look any worse than you IMO.

As for the post you quoted twice; Sometimes you know you have to unvote, but you don't know what your next move should be... so you unvote and make it clear that you'll think about it.

Wow....I have what I need to do a secure vote.

First, and because it's my first game ever, seemed too suspicious to me that someone vote for himself, since the mess and the mutual suspicious it's only good for scum. Then, after mod explaining that is a ussual drench technique, and after put himself at L-2, the bob marley guy vote for him without a reason. That said me that he is scum, since it's attemping to a suddenly and quick lynch. And now, after all that diatriba, aganist me orquested by pmchugh confirm the point of who is scum and who's not.

I'm sure that the mastermind of the scum in this game, and revealed so early is pmchugh.

unvote vote pmchugh

Even more, I think that in his attemp to look innocent, he show us how scum he is.

1. Drench is scum, so scum buddies come to his defense. i.e. Me, simon and LSU.

At first point, he try to do a list, of the defenders of Drench, and put that list as the other only possible option to the given point number 2. but well, I think that the real and possible list of scum can be Drench, jnd94, and of course, pmchugh. But in this point I can not be 100% sure of that. I'm just sure about pmchug

Now this is purely OMGUS- (Oh my god you suck) meaning your just voting me becasue I accused you.

And I was merely listing those who defended Drench, and if I left myself out then you would have said that I belonged in that category too and that I was trying to avoid suspicion.

I disagree. It looks OMGUS, but Falko's reasoning isn't bad (if I read it right) apart from his point about the list you made about Drench's possible scum buddies.

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Pmc pretty easily backs off after sam argues that Falko is just being a newbie and resorts to voting Drench again...

Sorry about the huge quotes, blame pmc for being so verbose.

[pmchugh]

First off stroop, do you not agree with my reasoning for voting drench? IMO it is the best case of actively lurking I have ever seen in mafia. It doesn't get better than a clue from the mod and knowing he has been logged in. Incidentally mod can you prod or replace Drench if he is not actively lurking? Now we will know for sure, if Drench is replaced then I will retract my vote, if he comes back my vote stays where it is.

To clear up the quote war i will post this in parts.

I don't think Drench's self-vote is scummy, as he does it in every game nowadays, but perhaps you could explain? It doesn't really allow him to avoid unwanted attention if he's scum, like jnd theorized.

Maybe it's just good fun for you, or maybe you wanted to emphasize how awesomely anti-scum you are and how "scummy" Drench was for his self-vote. Either way, I think this post caused SEAsportsfan to vote Drench, which makes me think he's got reason to follow you blindly.

I do it every game because it is bad practise by Drench, I totally disagree with his technique as I have stated several times and hence why I now vote him in every game whether I am town or scum so by Drench's own logic it is not scummy that I do so.

[Hologram]

I was giving him a few more hours to respond to a prod I already sent out. Sadly he's apparently decided to stop playing, so I have to replace yet another person.

Oh well, I'll pm the guy I have lined up to replace him and let you all know.

[pmchugh]

unvote drench

Oh and I forgot to put in above, I cannot help it if players follow me or not. just cause he agrees with me doesn't make us scum for the billionth time in a mafia game.

As much as i hate drench's technique I have to unvote.

VOTE DRENCH if he wants to get the ball rolling, well then, so be it.

This is just clear bandaggoning, yes his move is scummy but he dos it when town as said by the mod.

unvote vote sea

On to the next plausible target, eh? Sure, SEA's vote doesn't look good, but your vote doesn't look much better to me, whether SEA is town or your scumbuddy.

Nothing knew here, can you explain your point here? Oh wait there is none its just some filler to make your post look good.

Falko doesn't look any worse than you IMO.

As for the post you quoted twice; Sometimes you know you have to unvote, but you don't know what your next move should be... so you unvote and make it clear that you'll think about it.

So you disagree with me, how does that make me scum? Here is said post:

mmm...scummy behaviour around.....unvote

Let's analize deeper

Fair enough if he backs it up with something of worth, but he never returned to the actions prior to this post and showed no intention of doing so.

Let me summarise your accusations of me:
1. You disagreed with my points.
2. SEA agreed with me, according to you everyone who agrees are scumbuddies.
3. I voted for drench: answered in above post.

unvote vote falko I believe you are misguided but I believe falko is scum.

[Hologram]

By the way, deadline, 2000 (8 pm) Central Standard Time (GMT -6 hours for those British people).

And remember I enforce a lynch on the player with the most votes.

/edit: Oops, 2000 Sunday. Sorry, knew I was forgetting something. I blame the interweb

[pmchugh]

By the way, deadline, 2000 (8 pm) Central Standard Time (GMT -6 hours for those British people).

And remember I enforce a lynch on the player with the most votes.

Then it would help to have a VC.

[Hologram]

By the way, deadline, 2000 (8 pm) Central Standard Time (GMT -6 hours for those British people).

And remember I enforce a lynch on the player with the most votes.

Then it would help to have a VC.

As you wish. Suspect101 is going to replace Drench, for your information.

Suspect 101 (3) –sam_levi_11, jnd94, LSU Tiger Josh
pmchugh (2) – Falkomagno, Stroop
sam_levi_11 (1) – Suspect101
Falkomagno (1) - pmchugh
Not Voting: Simon Viavant, Thezzarus, Samuraipizzaguy

[pmchugh]

Good stuff another active player but I don't like the look of that vote count. I look dangerously close to a lynch and we don't have many suspects, I am very intrested to see what suspect has to say.

[Suspect101]

By the way, deadline, 2000 (8 pm) Central Standard Time (GMT -6 hours for those British people).

And remember I enforce a lynch on the player with the most votes.

Is this today? because if it is I am screwed before I even play!

Drench is an idiot, he always votes for himself, he wasn't lurking because he has been replaced in every game he has been in. Those areguments are trite and hold no water. People who try to stand behind them look scummy. He makes himself an easy target for scum to start a bandwagon every game by vlooking scummy for voting for himself first. I am quite suspicious of players who jump on this kind of bandwagon, because it is just an easy way to have a townie lynched. IMO.

I need to do this to make a tie just because I am not sure of the deadline.

Unvote Vote PMC

I do believe that at least one of the people still on the drench bandwagon are scum. LSU had a very weak argument for jumping on.

[pmchugh]

I disagree Drench was on the site and the mod had hinted some people may be lurking.

Holo what happens in the event of a tie? And can we not have the deadline extended, activity is getting good and forcing a lynch now would be unfair on Suspect who hasn't had time, plus I am sure some people have votes not on those they believe to be scum, e.g. suspect who just did that cause of the deadline.

[Hologram]

I disagree Drench was on the site and the mod had hinted some people may be lurking.

Holo what happens in the event of a tie? And can we not have the deadline extended, activity is getting good and forcing a lynch now would be unfair on Suspect who hasn't had time, plus I am sure some people have votes not on those they believe to be scum, e.g. suspect who just did that cause of the deadline.

Tie is determined by who got the vote first. Also, if you read my edit, I was an idiot and forgot to put the date. You have until 2000 Sunday.

[Suspect101]

I disagree Drench was on the site and the mod had hinted some people may be lurking.

Holo what happens in the event of a tie? And can we not have the deadline extended, activity is getting good and forcing a lynch now would be unfair on Suspect who hasn't had time, plus I am sure some people have votes not on those they believe to be scum, e.g. suspect who just did that cause of the deadline.

Just because a player is on the site does not mean they are lurking, especially if they just get up and quit. They key word is MAY be lurking.

unvote

I will make a better vote tomorrow. Hockey is on and I am missing most of it plus I need to reread the last two pages again.

[Samuraipizzaguy]

I do believe that at least one of the people still on the drench bandwagon are scum.

i agree with this.

i also think my last vote was bad because Falko is like me, he is new and doesn't know how to word things right without sounding scummy. This statement right here probably sounding pretty scummy lol. So now i'm going to look through those who voted for drench and see if i see any scum.

[Stroop]

Let me summarise your accusations of me:

Thanks

1. You disagreed with my points.

Yes. And since those points made you vote people, I didn't agree with your votes, which makes me think you're scum.

2. SEA agreed with me, according to you everyone who agrees are scumbuddies.

No. I agree with people often, but your post did nothing but emphasizing Drench's "scumminess" and the next post was SEA putting Drench on L-2. I think your post made him do that, which makes me think he has reason to blindly follow you. I think your post looks bad, and as a result, SEA looks bad with you.

3. I voted for drench: answered in above post.

I thought I was done with the quoting...

First off stroop, do you not agree with my reasoning for voting drench? IMO it is the best case of actively lurking I have ever seen in mafia. It doesn't get better than a clue from the mod and knowing he has been logged in. Incidentally mod can you prod or replace Drench if he is not actively lurking? Now we will know for sure, if Drench is replaced then I will retract my vote, if he comes back my vote stays where it is.

It's not your reasoning for voting Drench. It's that you back off from your target so easily after sam posts the obvious counter-arguments to yours. You were going at Falko almost since the beginning and one post ended that and you jump to the next plausible target.

To clear up the quote war i will post this in parts.

I don't think Drench's self-vote is scummy, as he does it in every game nowadays, but perhaps you could explain? It doesn't really allow him to avoid unwanted attention if he's scum, like jnd theorized.

Maybe it's just good fun for you, or maybe you wanted to emphasize how awesomely anti-scum you are and how "scummy" Drench was for his self-vote. Either way, I think this post caused SEAsportsfan to vote Drench, which makes me think he's got reason to follow you blindly.

I do it every game because it is bad practise by Drench, I totally disagree with his technique as I have stated several times and hence why I now vote him in every game whether I am town or scum so by Drench's own logic it is not scummy that I do so.
unvote vote falko I believe you are misguided but I believe falko is scum.

I don't mind you voting him every single game. Go for it, tiger. I mind that you label him scum in your first two posts because of something that he always does, scum or town.

[Suspect101]

Wow, if you reread this entire thread it seems that almost everyone could be a terrorist

Ok, this is what I got.

SEA who has since been replaced by Sam, who is on the drench banwagon, voted for drench putting him at L-2 "to get the ball rolling" That seems pretty odd and more like puts the ball on the edge of the cliff. After he gets 2 quick votes for his actions, and LSU asks him a question that he never answers, he disappears and needs to be replaced. Sam replaces him, so I would like to see a vote by sam or a justification as to why your vote is still on drench.

Jnd - you switched your vote to Falk but never unvoted.

LSU - has jummped on and off and back on the drench bandwagon. seems odd.

Stroop seems hell bent on getting PMC

PMC seems hell bent on voting and unvoting for everyone in the game

And then we have three people who have no current vote who are kinda just watching.

I must admit. I am at a loss for who I think is the scummiest, and my vote will prolly not come until other people have posted a little bit more.

[pmchugh]

1. You disagreed with my points.

Yes. And since those points made you vote people, I didn't agree with your votes, which makes me think you're scum.

Heres where your wrong, just because I think that different people are scum from you doesn't make me scum. People have this notion that agreeing makes you on the same side and disagreeing makes you on opposite sides that is rarely the case. If you think my accusations are scum like, then I would like to hear why, not just that they are different from yours.

2. SEA agreed with me, according to you everyone who agrees are scumbuddies.

No. I agree with people often, but your post did nothing but emphasizing Drench's "scumminess" and the next post was SEA putting Drench on L-2. I think your post made him do that, which makes me think he has reason to blindly follow you. I think your post looks bad, and as a result, SEA looks bad with you.

I never once wanted Drench lynched and that is pretty clear from my posts. Why is our agreement any different to that of me and lsu's over the lurking thing or something similar. So he voted straight after my posts, who says he wouldn't have done it anyway?

I don't mind you voting him every single game. Go for it, tiger. I mind that you label him scum in your first two posts because of something that he always does, scum or town.

The only reason why I put in "future scummyness" was so people (espicially Drench) would know why I was voting him at the start of the game, the second post was not there as you say to make him look scummy rather the opposite. I was pointing out he does it every game and that I knew he would do it this game, nothing more nothing less.

[Falkomagno]

Besides the pmc's scuminess , I think that suspect arrives with some halo of immunity, because, is clear that drench just let him a screwed role. BUT, that doesn't means that necessary Suspect is not Scum. In fact, I have the idea of the scumminess of both of them, since, the first thing that pmc did was to put a FoS in Drench, but then he just retracted, so, he gave the impression that both of them were just townies.

Can be great to listen jnd, Thez...Simon

[Thezzaruz]

Well well well. Things are heating up.

I must agree that there is no clear candidate for a lynch atm. pmc does seem to be all over the place but not yet sure he's scum, falko seems to be a rookie more than scum but not convinced here either and although suspect is a fresh breath he's still a bit tainted from drench's leaving/lurking.

I won't throw a vote not but I will be back before the deadline (if it is imposed, I can see a few more days given being a good idea). atm my vote would go to pmc I think, seems a bit too eager to make a lynch.

[Stroop]

1. You disagreed with my points.

Yes. And since those points made you vote people, I didn't agree with your votes, which makes me think you're scum.

Heres where your wrong, just because I think that different people are scum from you doesn't make me scum. People have this notion that agreeing makes you on the same side and disagreeing makes you on opposite sides that is rarely the case. If you think my accusations are scum like, then I would like to hear why, not just that they are different from yours.

I don't really care who you think is scum, I care about your reasons for those thoughts. Your reasons to vote Falkomagno seem very flimsy to me, like you simply need them to work for you, so you can lynch a townie.

2. SEA agreed with me, according to you everyone who agrees are scumbuddies.

No. I agree with people often, but your post did nothing but emphasizing Drench's "scumminess" and the next post was SEA putting Drench on L-2. I think your post made him do that, which makes me think he has reason to blindly follow you. I think your post looks bad, and as a result, SEA looks bad with you.

I never once wanted Drench lynched and that is pretty clear from my posts. Why is our agreement any different to that of me and lsu's over the lurking thing or something similar. So he voted straight after my posts, who says he wouldn't have done it anyway?

That seems pretty clear from your posts. We both know that it's pretty easy to write up a post that doesn't reflect your real goals.

We don't know whether SEA would have voted Drench anyway, but I can suspect it was because of your post, can't I?

I don't mind you voting him every single game. Go for it, tiger. I mind that you label him scum in your first two posts because of something that he always does, scum or town.

The only reason why I put in "future scummyness" was so people (espicially Drench) would know why I was voting him at the start of the game, the second post was not there as you say to make him look scummy rather the opposite. I was pointing out he does it every game and that I knew he would do it this game, nothing more nothing less.

Let me quote that second post again:

vote drench for his future scummyness. (voting himself)

Wow I must be phsycic

To me, it looks like you felt you had to show people one of two things. Either "look at me, I'm awesome and town", or "see, Drench is scummy". Sure, there's a wink there, which gives it a bit of a jokingly feel, but I know I would have put that there too.

I don't see you pointing anything out.