Friends & Enemies & Enemies & That Other Guy - Wolves Won

[Charle]

Vote Count:

Pepe (1) - Sonic
Sonic (1) - LC

No Vote (4) - pmc, Max, Pepe, DDS

[PepeAtila]

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I was checking Traf's posts when I saw why LC thinks I'm with Traf

If someone wonders how I remembered about this game. its cause I just started some tournaments games vs Pepe and then it came to me

To this LC answered

Like ah yes, Pepe is my scum buddy?

LC, This was the tournament game where he eliminated me and moved on to the finals. Game 23407989
so please reread the Traf posts (pag 20)

To Sum up and if order of townishness

Town:
Traf

Townish:
EW
Max

Neutral
Rag
Sonic
DDS
PMC
Lose

Scum
Pepe

Do you think he wrote this to protect me??

@Charle, I didn't vote yet... by the way I think it would be easier to review the posts if the title was changed every day as I have done in my post.

[Charle]

@Charle, I didn't vote yet... by the way I think it would be easier to review the posts if the title was changed every day as I have done in my post.

No Vote = Haven't voted yet

[Charle]

Spare mason could be dead already couldn't he?
Didn't think Charle would declare if a dead town was spare mason??

Maybe, or maybe not. Just to have you all on ease, the dead ones know who the spare one was/is, to ensure the original role that was decided by a dice is in play and I do not change it afterwards to my liking.

OK. But are the dead scum still allowed in scum chat? If so they could share there their knowledge with remaining scum.

Dead people are dead Max. It would be the same as cheating in golf, it just do not happen.

[PepeAtila]

@Charle, I didn't vote yet... by the way I think it would be easier to review the posts if the title was changed every day as I have done in my post.

No Vote = Haven't voted yet

Sorry I confused ...
But I thougt Sonic did change his vote

Vote loose cannon

[Loose Canon]

Yes Pepe, but Sonic didn't unvote you first.

Look my votes aren't actually locked just very very strong on Sonic and yourself if not Sonic.

So I will read what you and Sonic say still.

I need to think and consider.

[Loose Canon]

There are 2 votes on Pepe (- me and Sonic) , I actually don't want more votes on Pepe till we have assessed the situation as to who the current lynch candidates are.

I would like everyone to think IF there was no further information who they would and would not be prepared to lynch D3, currently.


And as I've suggested it I'll kick it off with mine;

DDS - NO
Sonic - YES - he may be scum if so more likely with EW
PMC - NO
Max - NO (definitely not he can't be with EW)
Pepe - YES - he may be scum if so more likely with Traf

I can't requote myself often enough on the above, and will continue to do so , you all should know by now know that I will.

[SoN!c]

Unvote

Also, Loose seems he does not want to go for Max anymore (like set in stone today and after he wanted to kill him that strongly D1)? It gives me the creeps, deja-vu EW feeling when EW didnt wanted to push for Traf anymore. But in reality Traf was his nightkill. Saying A in here during the day but acting B during the night..

"Max - NO (definitely not he can't be with EW)"

"Sonic - YES - he may be scum if so more likely with EW"

Its pretty simple if you ask me: Loose thinks PMC and DDS are the masons. He knows he cant touch them for mislynch. And he does not want to lynch the other scum either because he needs the double night kills..

He thinks Max is scum just like me and PMC are thinking. So he is buttering Max up so Max doesn't kill him tonight. And he cant have town lynch Max because then he is all alone against 4 town..

Vote loose cannon

[SoN!c]

And that is why he is going for me and Pepe. Only option he has if you cant go for DDS-PMC-MAX

[PepeAtila]

Yes Pepe, but Sonic didn't unvote you first.

Look my votes aren't actually locked just very very strong on Sonic and yourself if not Sonic.

So I will read what you and Sonic say still.

I need to think and consider.

Read, think and consider all you want, I can't say anything more to convince you that I have nothing to do with Traf.... In fact, I think that you are his partner and that's why you try to hide by pointing at me.

[Loose Canon]

Pepe, your and Trafs interactions end of D2 smacks of fake throwing shade at each other.
D2 when each scum faction had 2 players each faction has to calculate their best chance of winning is to preserve 2 players.
Therefore fake shade and fake voting might be considered worth a try by a scum faction.
Traf voted you when it was obvious to everyone that Rag was about to be lynched.
You leant into my "fake" interpretation too though.

[SoN!c]

Pepe, loose scumpartner could be Traf, it could be EW. But him protecting Max is his end game like explained above.

And this line by loose "Max - NO (definitely not he can't be with EW)"

Why can't Max "definitely" be with EW?

Lets ask Loose himself. Loose can you think 5 seconds on why Max "definitely" can't be with EW?

5
4
3
2
1

OOOOPS!

[pmchugh]

Unvote

Also, Loose seems he does not want to go for Max anymore (like set in stone today and after he wanted to kill him that strongly D1)? It gives me the creeps, deja-vu EW feeling when EW didnt wanted to push for Traf anymore. But in reality Traf was his nightkill. Saying A in here during the day but acting B during the night..

"Max - NO (definitely not he can't be with EW)"

"Sonic - YES - he may be scum if so more likely with EW"

Its pretty simple if you ask me: Loose thinks PMC and DDS are the masons. He knows he cant touch them for mislynch. And he does not want to lynch the other scum either because he needs the double night kills..

He thinks Max is scum just like me and PMC are thinking. So he is buttering Max up so Max doesn't kill him tonight. And he cant have town lynch Max because then he is all alone against 4 town..

Vote loose cannon

This logic could also apply to you. Like, you think Max is scum. You think me and DDS are masons. Therefore you started to push LC. Lc gets killed, you kill Max, we kill Pepe and you win.

Like, if you think both Max and LC are scum, why vote LC out first, rather than Max?

[Loose Canon]

Sonic digs a hole, he wants us to believe he doesn't know why he dug it, and then digs further to pretend he's digging to find out why he dug in the first place.

My vote and repeated call on others to vote Max D1 was for the following reasons;
1. I thought and argued it was in Towns interests to Lynch D1 in this scenario
2. Max all the evidence was was a low/no contributing player (he has tried harder to contribute D2 onwards)
Therefore a vote (in the absence of anyone better to vote on - and there wouldn't be D1 except PM has subsequently been uncanny) on Max D1 stood house odds of being a correct lynch
and so would have been a good strategic lynch - back THEN.

Now don't tell me you have any evidence to interpret my vote on Max any other way, because that was the way and I think you know it.

Regarding the vote on Max D1;
Loose voted Max, Sonic voted Max - 2 votes.
EW voted Max and at face value this gave the Max lynchwagon with 3 votes some momentum that might have succeeded.
You quickly unvoted Max (on the pretext of using D1 to probe more into others - the probing argument would be fine in itself)
an alternative explanation would be the EW vote and your unvote were preconceived ways of you and EW separating yourselves from each other.
You later rejoin the Max vote.
Whatever interpretation you put on EWs vote EW had to stick with it - therefore EW and Max would be unlikely bedfellows.

I said earlier I often play One Night Werewolf in the Office.
My early placement of you was Town.
I considered the alternative explanation then and almost talked myself into thinking you were scum.
But then cleared that as there wasn't proof/feel for it then.
Now I am back at the point where I do quite often go back to the alternative explanation in the office - and when I do (in the office) I'm usually right.
You Sonic are a Baddun in this game.

Does anyone need a hole digging? Sonic is demonstrating quite some expertise in his field.

[SoN!c]

Unvote

Also, Loose seems he does not want to go for Max anymore (like set in stone today and after he wanted to kill him that strongly D1)? It gives me the creeps, deja-vu EW feeling when EW didnt wanted to push for Traf anymore. But in reality Traf was his nightkill. Saying A in here during the day but acting B during the night..

"Max - NO (definitely not he can't be with EW)"

"Sonic - YES - he may be scum if so more likely with EW"

Its pretty simple if you ask me: Loose thinks PMC and DDS are the masons. He knows he cant touch them for mislynch. And he does not want to lynch the other scum either because he needs the double night kills..

He thinks Max is scum just like me and PMC are thinking. So he is buttering Max up so Max doesn't kill him tonight. And he cant have town lynch Max because then he is all alone against 4 town..

Vote loose cannon

This logic could also apply to you. Like, you think Max is scum. You think me and DDS are masons. Therefore you started to push LC. Lc gets killed, you kill Max, we kill Pepe and you win.

Like, if you think both Max and LC are scum, why vote LC out first, rather than Max?

Im willing to switch to Max. And i didn't push LC until he published his list where he gave his mask away:

DDS - NO
Sonic - YES - he may be scum if so more likely with EW
PMC - NO
Max - NO (definitely not he can't be with EW)
Pepe - YES - he may be scum if so more likely with Traf

This is steering town. Conveniently placing 2 scum because rest is a firm "NO" in his head. Even Max?? How can town LC be sure Max aint scum..? He can't unless he and Max are masons but no way they are after his D1 wanting to kill him so badly. He showed his end game hand by wanting to protect the other scum.

Because scum know they need the other scum alive today because both need the double nightkill tonight or its game over starting tomorrow.

And with a Max running loose - pun intented - (his scumbrain is dead) who will Max kill tonight?

The one he always wants to kill. So loose knows he is safe tonight and i can bet a million he will advocate for Max lynched tomorrow as sure as sure can be.

[DirtyDishSoap]

So you're saying I'm fucked?! Great odds. Lol.

I've been muling and mindfucking myself with everything happening and still happening.

On one hand, two really easy lynches that could spell a win or a loss on town.

On the other, town being scum led into a loss by mislynching obvious choices.

Of the vocals - Loose, PMC, Sonic.

Sonic and Loose have made some decent cases and ideas. It's a hat toss if either is scum and I'm not prepared to mentally to make that decision.

PMC IS vocal BUT, late joiner. We both read the Rag wrong though.

Bah. Shit show.

[pmchugh]

Actually sonic and max doesn't make sense, who would be EWs partner. I feel like there is a limited number of available scenarios.

[SoN!c]

Actually sonic and max doesn't make sense, who would be EWs partner. I feel like there is a limited number of available scenarios.

Its not Pepe. Gut feeling. Pepe is gonna flip town. Very sure now on that read. So there is just one left that fits all around.

[Loose Canon]

Town read my logic, it is SOUND and probably but not definite.

I AM A MASON.

The other mason is NOT Pepe or Sonic.

If you are vanilla town house odds without any tells or reads say you have a 2 in 3 chance of selecting out of the other 3 non masons a scum.

I'm saying logic and deductions I've made are SOUND and improve the odds a lot more. Nothing is 100,% it can't be.

(Let's not lock in votes just yet)

[Maxleod]

Town read my logic, it is SOUND and probably but not definite.

I AM A MASON.

The other mason is NOT Pepe or Sonic.

If you are vanilla town house odds without any tells or reads say you have a 2 in 3 chance of selecting out of the other 3 non masons a scum.

I'm saying logic and deductions I've made are SOUND and improve the odds a lot more. Nothing is 100,% it can't be.

(Let's not lock in votes just yet)

IF that is true, why in the world would you make that info public???????

@thehedgehog I don't know where that obsession with me comes from. What makes you think I'm scum?

[pmchugh]

Ok, honestly not mad about the claim. I feel like this game is highly solvable.

Possibilities I am considering
Traf + Max
Traf + Sonic
Pepe + EW

I kind of think it has to be Pepe because I don't see Max - EW or Sonic - EW. I guess DDS could be scum, which would through off all my possibilities.

[pmchugh]

EW is probably scum, but pointless to try lynch him. If you are in either evil faction just shoot him. Cause if he is town he can catch you when he pays attention and if he is in the other faction he has high chances of guiding his team to success.

I know wifom exists but this would be insane to come in and do as EWs partner.

I really think it should be easy for all of us to find who is EWs partner.

[pmchugh]

Kind of leaning towards Sonic and Pepe. Sonic today misreads me and DDS as the masons, he said so himself. So he tries to protect Pepe who he thinks is EWs partner to preserve the kill, getting Max and LC lynched to win.

[Loose Canon]

Max l made the info public, because we are down to 6.
IF we mislynch today, we are down to 5 inc 2 rival scum
As a consequence of a mislynch scum would get 2 kills tonight.
Most probably will be 2 town.
Town has then gone from favourites to virtually depending on a mexican standoff for a draw.
Sonic has played terribly today whether scum (as I suspect) or even worse as town.
You are bad odds to be scum - you are unlikely to be with EW
I had and still have documented suspicions on Pepe re game play end of D2. No reason for Traf to vote Pepe so late on etc.
Sonic is likely to be scum because he sorta should have agreed with me that you are bad odds to be scum, but thinking he as scum was in a worse position than he was, panicked and tried to push a mislynch on you.
PMCs 3rd last post has me worried now though. He should know better than the 3 combos he was " considering"
Pm fpd me and sorta corrected.
Need to think about whether I'm worried about pm or not

[pmchugh]

Pepe is a wild card flying high in the sky. Max is another wild card. Its like a Mexican stand off with 4 : me, pmc, you and DDS. And nobody is noticing the other 2.

Nobody includes max and pepe and thats ok. But there are 2 scum in here.

Im thinking DDS, LC and Pepe as scum right now. But like i said paranoia dust needs to settle first.

And not receiving london calling antenna at all.

FP by loose again

Why did you change your mind on Pepe sonic? What changed?