Batman Mafia~~~GOTHAM WINS!!!!!!!!

[gethine]

I don't know what to think right now, but like I said before, Talapus hasn't even set a time limit for this day, so please LET'S TAKE OUR TIME.

We haven't even heard from everyone. Let's wait for everyone to post. Maybe someone will say "I'm Bullock," or we could get more clues in one direction or another.

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Vote gethine

yeah, thats really taking your time. and would giving a reason be too much too ask?

[Neutrino]

Hmm, today isn't quite as clearcut as yesterday.

Both Mandy and MountainLion are acting mildly suspicious; Mandy with his premature cop-claim (and the probability that he is insane or paranoid) and MountainLion with his continous and unexplained attacks on gethine.

Both are odd, but I think MountainLion's is the more scummy.

Therefore: Vote: MountainLion

(This is really more in the way of a powerful FOS; I don't want to be accused of not doing anything if the kill happens overnight.)

[Kernal_Kronic]

This cop thing is getting confusing The only way to clear it up is to hear from mandy to clarify the "i investigated on the 1st night" issue.

Did anybody notice this in the Wiki's explanation of Mr Bullock: Bullock was a crooked police detective under instructions from Gotham City's Mayor Hamilton Hill to sabotage Commissioner Gordon's career.

Could be he's a mafia cop...

I'm not so sure of derf. We all think he's a Jester/Fool, but how do we know he's not the joker? It's a good way to get everybody off his back until it's too late. If your role was to get lynched, would you make it so blatantly obvious?

Plus his "reasons" for voting are ridiculous.

Vote derfderf

[jnd94]

Well, I'm not sure who to believe. Mandy roleclaims for no real good reason, as there was no real pressure on him to do so.

He claims cop, and fingers Koesen. Koesen claims to be town, and innocent.

MountainLion is going hard after Gethine, and not changing his mind, even after the roleclaim by Mandy claiming cop. Hmm, just caught that, thinking about it.

derfderf and HBH are acting stupid, derf we think is a fool, HBH probably just a moron.

VOTE: MountainLion I know, you said we have time, and your last post about Mandy did bring up a legitimate point, but... just curious. Are you REALLY good, or just clever scum?

its a good point, maybe Mandy and ML are working together. This could be a stretch but it makes sense if its true. I can say fairly certainly that either ML, Mandy, or Koesen are scum. For all we know, this could all be a scum opera by Mandy and Kosen, to seperate themselves. With 2-man mafia groups, that could be a very useful trick, if Mandy and Kosen are scum.

Bold- Lol

[Huckleberryhound]

Well, I'm not sure who to believe. Mandy roleclaims for no real good reason, as there was no real pressure on him to do so.

He claims cop, and fingers Koesen. Koesen claims to be town, and innocent.

MountainLion is going hard after Gethine, and not changing his mind, even after the roleclaim by Mandy claiming cop. Hmm, just caught that, thinking about it.

derfderf and HBH are acting stupid, derf we think is a fool, HBH probably just a moron.

VOTE: MountainLion I know, you said we have time, and your last post about Mandy did bring up a legitimate point, but... just curious. Are you REALLY good, or just clever scum?

Personal attacks are taken as i find them.


f*ck you, you piece of mouldy rancid smegma

[Kernal_Kronic]

Now that you mention it, it did seem like a bit of an opera

Mandy also voted for Koesen on day 2 for Koesen's "Freudian Slip" concerning the penguin.

The only way to clear the whole mandy / koesen issue would be to lynch one of them...but which of the 2 to lynch is the question. If koesen is in fact useful to the town & we lynch him then we could drop ourselves into a whole bunch of crap & if we lynch mandy & he is a legitimate cop then we're even worse off

[Talapus]

Vote Count:

(2)derfderf34 – Anarkistsdream, Kernal_Kronic
(4)Koesen - mandalorian2298, derfderf34, n8freeman, Huckleberryhound
(1)mandalorian2298 – Koesen
(1)gethine – MountainLion
(2)MountainLion – Serbia, neutrino

With 21 alive it takes 11 to lynch!

[derfderf34]

3. Today he votes for me again, this time claiming he's a cop. He says he investigated two people so far and both were said to be scum. Now, obviously, it's possible he got lucky twice in a row.

This happened to me in lsu's game i was almost certian that i was paraniod but i wasn't

[jnd94]

this is a sentence from a paragraph on Bullock:

"Bullock has also been one of Batman's biggest foes on the Gotham City Police Department, but has not gone to the extremes that others have to apprehend the vigilante. His last partner on the GCPD was Renee Montoya."

bold- Does this mean he has a partner in this game? If there is a renee Montoya, if they can rolclaim, that may clear Mandy.

[derfderf34]

This cop thing is getting confusing The only way to clear it up is to hear from mandy to clarify the "i investigated on the 1st night" issue.

Did anybody notice this in the Wiki's explanation of Mr Bullock: Bullock was a crooked police detective under instructions from Gotham City's Mayor Hamilton Hill to sabotage Commissioner Gordon's career.

Could be he's a mafia cop...

I'm not so sure of derf. We all think he's a Jester/Fool, but how do we know he's not the joker? It's a good way to get everybody off his back until it's too late. If your role was to get lynched, would you make it so blatantly obvious?

Plus his "reasons" for voting are ridiculous.

Vote derfderf

5)Skittles! - Stell Bates - Pro-Gotham/Arkham Inmate(Fool)

see you can be a fool

[MountainLion]

gethine and Neutrino, do you guys actually read this thread? I didn't just vote gethine, I gave my reason in an earlier post.

Serbia, my reason for voting gethine is really only for the moment. The Mandy vs. koesen thing is my main focus, but what's wrong with gathering as much information as you can while you have time? Why look for scum one player at a time? I'm trying to make the most of each day as long as I'm in this game.

[Kernal_Kronic]

This cop thing is getting confusing The only way to clear it up is to hear from mandy to clarify the "i investigated on the 1st night" issue.

Did anybody notice this in the Wiki's explanation of Mr Bullock: Bullock was a crooked police detective under instructions from Gotham City's Mayor Hamilton Hill to sabotage Commissioner Gordon's career.

Could be he's a mafia cop...

I'm not so sure of derf. We all think he's a Jester/Fool, but how do we know he's not the joker? It's a good way to get everybody off his back until it's too late. If your role was to get lynched, would you make it so blatantly obvious?

Plus his "reasons" for voting are ridiculous.

Vote derfderf

5)Skittles! - Stell Bates - Pro-Gotham/Arkham Inmate(Fool)

see you can be a fool

I know people can be fools, but what are the chances of there being more than 1 fool?

[Koesen]

if we lynch mandy & he is a legitimate cop then we're even worse off

Mandy may or may not be town, I'm not completely sure of his affiliation, but the odds that he's a 'legitimate cop' are very, very small.

There already was a sane cop, who's dead. Mandy got scum on Gimpy, so he's not insane. He investigated on his first night, so he is not back up.

That means that unless there are two sane cops (unlikely), he's probably paranoid, i.e. useless (as a cop, perhaps not as a townie, if he is one).

I understand people consider the possibility that this is a soap opera between me and Mandy and that we're a team. I can't think of a way to prove that we are not, so I guess all I can do is tell you that we are not a team.

[Kernal_Kronic]

Well all we can do is wait for mandy's response, you don't seem scummy to me, koesen. Mandy's always touch & go

[Koesen]

I am increasingly leaning to the belief that Mandy needs to be killed in every game, regardless of which side he's on.

[kalishnikov]

We've already established that we are looking at the wrong one of the 2 (mandalorian and koesen). Only 1 thing to do then I guess...

Vote: madalorian

I'm not sure on him yet, but perhaps if we can get a few votes on him before he sees this (assuming he's not submarining) he'll have something to say.

[kwanton]

Wait. Everybody think about this for a minute. Let's say we lynch mandy. I don't think that will prove anything. Here are the possibilities:

He is scum. Good we lynched scum. But that does not neccesarily mean that Koesen is cleared. There are different scum factions who don't know each other. So mandy may have just targeted a random person who he thought was town. And there is also the possibility of the whole soap opera performance.

He is town. Death scene says that he is a cop. I don't know if it will say sanity but I don't think so. Correct me if I'm wrong. If it doesn't say the sanity then we still have no idea whether Koesen is scum or town. Koesen himself said that Mandy would be paranoid. That means everyone would be scum. No way of knowing the truth of any of his investigations are true until the investigated party is killed. And on top of all that we have lost a pro-town (semi) power role.

Now if we lynch Koesen, sadly, we still won't have any leads. If Koesen is scum then Mandy may have just gotten lucky. If Koesen is town then it could be Mandy's sanity's fault. And I have no idea how the night kills will factor into this because I have no idea if either are scum or town.

I really don't want to take the wait-and-see approach to this and I think we should probably lynch one of them. Which one is the tough decision so I'll wait for the rest of the town to weigh in on this before I vote.

And on a seperate note, someone said ML has been targeting Gethine for a couple days.....possibility of a lyncher/lynchee?

[Koesen]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think a cop's sanity is revealed when he dies (unless the janitor mucks things up).

[kalishnikov]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think a cop's sanity is revealed when he dies (unless the janitor mucks things up).

Its the mod's choice, I believe. I think it varies from mod to mod.

[derfderf34]

This cop thing is getting confusing The only way to clear it up is to hear from mandy to clarify the "i investigated on the 1st night" issue.

Did anybody notice this in the Wiki's explanation of Mr Bullock: Bullock was a crooked police detective under instructions from Gotham City's Mayor Hamilton Hill to sabotage Commissioner Gordon's career.

Could be he's a mafia cop...

I'm not so sure of derf. We all think he's a Jester/Fool, but how do we know he's not the joker? It's a good way to get everybody off his back until it's too late. If your role was to get lynched, would you make it so blatantly obvious?

Plus his "reasons" for voting are ridiculous.

Vote derfderf

5)Skittles! - Stell Bates - Pro-Gotham/Arkham Inmate(Fool)

see you can be a fool

I know people can be fools, but what are the chances of there being more than 1 fool?

talapus said there was more than fool so dont get upset and feel alone

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Vote Kalishnikov Your arguement for lynching Mandy is sad. Mandy gave his role name. It is a pro gotham player. Whether we know how sane he is or not is not the point. The point is he shouldn't be lynched even if he gets a bad reading from his role as he is a pro town player.

Gethine has been acting suspicious and while ML was jumping around on day 1 with accusations, I've seen worse. At best it finds out how some people react to the accusations. At worst we get 100 pages of crap(see mandy in sherwood ) Since that day though he has been picking more or less individual targets based on how he finds them acting. Could he be scum possibly, but I'm doubting it.

[derfderf34]

unvote vote kalishiknov
for having a hard and long name

[mandalorian2298]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvey_Bullock_%28comics%29

Bullock is definitely good. But if mandy is a cop, he is not sane. Here are the options as far as I see it:

Mandy is lying. Koesen is town.

Mandy is telling the truth but is paranoid. Koesen is either town or mafia. No way of knowing.

Mandy is telling the truth but is insane. Now I've heard of two different versions of the insane cop. One is that the cop gets opposite roles. If that is the case then Koesen is town. The other is that the investigation turns out random. If that is the case there is no way of knowing.

So the evidence automatically tells me not to vote for Koesen without anything else to go by. Am I right?

That Random Cop thing only appeared in a RT with 5 Cops and 1 scum, so I think that it's safe to rule it out. However, I am a bit suprised that you didn't figure out that I can't possibly be telling the truth AND be an Insane Cop, since I recieved an Anti-Gotham result for Gimpy.
FOS Kwanton for skimming.

Here's a solid reason why Mandy cannot possibly be the backup cop: he says he investigated someone in the first night. In other words, he claims he had cop powers even before the confirmed cop, real and sane, was dead.

That rules out back up cop.

Would we have two sane cops? I highly, highly doubt it.

Two options remain:

1) He has some kind of mental problem.

2) He's a liar.

I know what I am and I
Vote Mandalorian

As I posted earlier, I myself belive that I may be Paranoid. Bah, when and if Mafia kills me, we'll know more. However, since Paranoid Cop is a pro-town role, I am curius about why you revenge voted me?
FOS Koesen for revenge voting me without suplying any reason why I would be Anti-Gotham

FOS Mandy and Koesen

I agree that a back up Cop does not work here, but Mandy never said he was a back up Cop.

Mandy why did you roleclaim so fast? and how did you happen to investigate gimpy on the first night? are you THAT bad of a cop that you investigated one of the night 1 kills? why did you investigate gimpy?

I role-claimed for 3 reasons: 1) the game appeared to be going nowhere, 2) my only real contribution, up untill the post in wich I role-claimed, was a rather far fetched accusation against Koesen based on my brilliant power of psyhoanalisis . If I add the fact that I believe myself to be Paranoid and thus quite useless as a role, I felt that Town would lose little by my role-claim
3. I had a scum result in my pocket and I didn't wan't for it to die with me. This way, if I die and there is no 'Paranoid' in my role, hang Koesen high. (Also note that there is a posibility that I was right all along and Koesen is the Penguin (since Talapus' account of last Night mentiones my character locking Penguin and some other guy in a separrated room). Should this be the case, be warned! I WILL become insufferable! )

Mandy, if you are a town cop and you want to confirm your sanity, why don't you investigate yourself tonight?

That's the only way where, if you get mafia again, you will know you haven't simply been amazingly lucky, and you don't even have to lynch innocent townies for it.

You're not allowed to investigate yourself, not usually. It's like doc protection.

this is a sentence from a paragraph on Bullock:

"Bullock has also been one of Batman's biggest foes on the Gotham City Police Department, but has not gone to the extremes that others have to apprehend the vigilante. His last partner on the GCPD was Renee Montoya."

bold- Does this mean he has a partner in this game? If there is a renee Montoya, if they can rolclaim, that may clear Mandy.

I will not advise anyone to claim, since I am hardly close to being lynched. However, there is a way for me to find if I am Paranoid. (but it will cost me 1 Night's investigation )

Vote Kalishnikov Your arguement for lynching Mandy is sad. Mandy gave his role name. It is a pro gotham player. Whether we know how sane he is or not is not the point. The point is he shouldn't be lynched even if he gets a bad reading from his role as he is a pro town player.

Gethine has been acting suspicious and while ML was jumping around on day 1 with accusations, I've seen worse. At best it finds out how some people react to the accusations. At worst we get 100 pages of crap(see mandy in sherwood ) Since that day though he has been picking more or less individual targets based on how he finds them acting. Could he be scum possibly, but I'm doubting it.

This is the part I love about being a lunatic. Every time that I go beserk, a Scum flinches.
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vote Kalashnikov There is no reason in the world for a Pro-Gotham player to vote for me (in Koesen's case I MAY be able to excuse it with the fact that I started a Bandwagon against him, but I would prefer to fry that fish tommorow when we'll have more info .)

[kwanton]

Meh. Mandy raises some good points...long, but good.

Like I said before we should lynch one of em. ML and Kalish seem like good secondary targets for reasons stated previously, but right now my focus is on Mandy/Koesen.

[mandalorian2298]

Meh. Mandy raises some good points...long, but good.

Like I said before we should lynch one of em. ML and Kalish seem like good secondary targets for reasons stated previously, but right now my focus is on Mandy/Koesen.

I suggest that we leave Koesen for tommorow. Wherther I live or die, if he's scum will have a proof.