[Official] Wheel of Time:EotW [8/14] D4:Twisted Pattern

[StorrZerg]

I'm assuming the trade is explicit when they are asked if they would like to do it. Its an assumption, I dont know. Hotshot and Madmitch can shed light on it.

Your Endgame is to get to a point when you control the majority of the votes in the game.

So would you say my actions match my end game

[got tonkaed]

Ok. I think I am caught up.

I don't know that I believe Storr is necessarily a bad guy. i actually visited him d1 as well. I was offered the ability to commute in exchange for my vote. I turned it down. Realistically I had submitted my action before storr was in the game, cause I figured if I visit an inactive its less likely I get killed on some weird game mechanic. probably not true, but that is what i went with.

I do think whoever IB visited should be a lynch target. At the very least someone could visit during the day and see what happens.

I was under the impression End was scum, and to an extent him popping up on storrs list kind of led me to believe I wasn't the only one.

I think virus is a bit suspect for being a scum partner of streaker.

I don't have a comment on mets v storr as a lot of that was just people getting fired up.

[Metsfanmax]

tonka's post prompted me to go back and reread the D1 stuff on Storr again. First, I picked up on something new that I hadn't really paid attention to the first time:

and me trading had nothing to do with storr and I do not think it is wise for me to explain anything else.

So initially he says that his trading had nothing to do with storr, but he knew who he visited D1, so to say that it had nothing to do with Storr made no sense, even if he for some reason believed (as he later tried to say) that him being offered the trade was unrelated to his visit with Storr:

I honestly do not know if Storr is mafia or not? I was told I could visit someone and I did, I was offer a trade for my vote and I accepted

Also, here is Storr saying early on D1 that people don't know what they get before they accept the trade:

People who visited me didn't know what they would get by trading.

But I showed proof up above that madmitch knew what he was going to get before he accepted the trade. So either Storr doesn't know what his own role does (despite insisting that he has the full claim and we don't), or someone is lying.

[StorrZerg]

Pretty sick people know what they get before I do. Lol

You got me mets, I made an assumption about my role.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

[quote="got tonkaed"
I do think whoever IB visited should be a lynch target. At the very least someone could visit during the day and see what happens. [/quote]

I think you need to reread the last few pages and then confirm if you still believe this, and if so why.

[quote="got tonkaed"
I was under the impression End was scum, and to an extent him popping up on storrs list kind of led me to believe I wasn't the only one. [/quote]

Is this in hindsight, or at the time? If at the time why did you say nothing?

[quote="got tonkaed"I think virus is a bit suspect for being a scum partner of streaker.[/quote]
Can you expand on why Virus might be Streaker's partner in crime please.

fp'd by Mets - GT just said that he knew he would have got a 1shot (?) commuter ability.

[madmitch]

well I know now, didn,t know if Storr new what we received in trade , should have asked, I did not know Hotshots item. I almost forgot my day action and when I visited Storr I was offered commuter and I was not sure what that ability was so I had to ask the BOSS,of course I traded. the ability was used that night and now I am back to my normal self unless I want to trade again with the person I visit today, depends what is offered

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

EBWOP

I do think whoever IB visited should be a lynch target. At the very least someone could visit during the day and see what happens.

I think you need to reread the last few pages and then confirm if you still believe this, and if so why.

I was under the impression End was scum, and to an extent him popping up on storrs list kind of led me to believe I wasn't the only one.

Is this in hindsight, or at the time? If at the time why did you say nothing?

I think virus is a bit suspect for being a scum partner of streaker.

Can you expand on why Virus might be Streaker's partner in crime please.

fp'd by Mets - GT just said that he knew he would have got a 1shot (?) commuter ability.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

@Madmitch - What did you do with your commuter role?

[got tonkaed]

Wing I wasn't here at the time. I can go back and reread.

As far as Storr and visiting goes. There was really no indication from the information I received that Storr would have known I had visited him. This seems to be borne out from how he treated d1, because after I turned down the trade he had no information about me visiting him.

I would assume everyone was offered different abilities in exchange for their vote, but again I don't know that for sure. I also don't know if i would get the same ability offered if i visited him again.

[got tonkaed]

I am still ok with lynch targeting whoever visited IB. Based on what he was offered it does not seem like that person could possibly be town.

[madmitch]

used my commuter role last night

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

used my commuter role last night

On whom and why

[got tonkaed]

Doesnt a commute just making him not able to be targeted?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Oh apparently so. I never seen it before. So Madmitch could not have used any other action.

Storr - How do we know Hotshot received a different gift? Seems odd if GT is claiming the same offer as Madmitch.

[Metsfanmax]

Pretty sick people know what they get before I do. Lol

You got me mets, I made an assumption about my role.

Point is, if someone wanted to test what your role does in response to their character, they could visit you without necessarily giving anything up. However, they'd have to give up the ability to visit someone else that day.

[got tonkaed]

Oh apparently so. I never seen it before. So Madmitch could not have used any other action.

Storr - How do we know Hotshot received a different gift? Seems odd if GT is claiming the same offer as Madmitch.

We don't know that he received a different gift. I don't think Storr has much control or knowledge of what he is passing out. The most town oriented thing for storr about this whole situation was him making the people use their own votes.

Best case scenario for storr is that he is some kind of inventor type of thing that essentially can work his way to being less lynchable.

[StorrZerg]

O he didn't. The bluff was blown once Talapus claimed he new what the offer was. Same gift to everyone.

[StorrZerg]

O and I do know who specifically trades with me. I don't know who declines.

[Metsfanmax]

The problem with commuter in this game is that it's not very helpful to town. Most of us presumably have night actions, and given the low probability that any one of us is shot, it makes more sense to go for the night action rather than commute on the hope that mafia is taking aim at us.

[StorrZerg]

Maybe hotshot and madmitch need to be reviewed. I didn't know they knew what was up for trade.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

The problem with commuter in this game is that it's not very helpful to town. Most of us presumably have night actions, and given the low probability that any one of us is shot, it makes more sense to go for the night action rather than commute on the hope that mafia is taking aim at us.

As it is immediately apparent who has the commuter ability, mafia can avoid targetting them. This narrows their choice of targets, and it is likely that only low power townies would accept the trade, thus their choice is better. I actually think that no-one should visit Storr as it is more beneficial for town to not identify the strength of their role.

[StorrZerg]

Besides the point that it's a Choice to use if im not mistaken. A person doesn't have to choose to use it once they got it.

Tbh I don't see the benifit of keeping everyone's day visit hidden

[StorrZerg]

I have been informed what item I hand out today.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Is it different? If so I retract my previous comment

[StorrZerg]

Yes. Different