CYOC Mafia [7/15] Game Over! [Archive]

[edocsil]

Doom, I would accept a daycop yam. I would need to reread before I used it, but I would ?eat? it withing a day or two of getting it.

[Iron Butterfly]

Just so everyone has a bit more clarity. This is a crazy game with crazy roles, which is fun but I feel the Town faction needs to know who is who and who has done what. We have a sneaky killer who has not been able to kill the past two nights. We have two differing factions, or maybe they are the same faction.

I am Jack Skellington Town Watcher

Shaggy explain your actions Night one.

Tails explain your actions on night two.

Others have been observed in the mix...but I will get to them later.

[jak111]

Meh, might as well take a shot at the 5.

Vote Tails

I'm pretty confident of at least hitting non town.

Any particular reasoning that you chose Tails out of those on the list?

At the moment shield is inactive, he needs a replacement or come back, I'm not going to lynch him in two different games for inactivity (I'm sure some of you remember Matrix, which he could have been saved if him or his partner were active at all during the day phase). If I'm 'bad play' for giving him a chance this time, so be it. His blood wont be on my hands unless he comes back or gets replaced.

As for why I voted Tails. He's contributed nothing, he's on the list, and he's active. Three things that equal bad.

Iron B is just mad.

Anyway, for Doom. I am deciding players are town based on evidence and claims we have. The only townie I'm going with my gut is Shaggy, other than that I am basing it off of pure evidence and facts. If you don't like that I'm honestly trying to help out, it isn't my problem.

Fastposted x2, and it looks like we're about to have more information.

[jak111]

Also, since I don't doubt we have a watcher, that crosses Iron B off my list, but with his information adds Shaggy back on XD

Shaggy
Tails
SG7
Neb
Mr.S

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I can confirm he is Jack; he was my investigation last night.

[jak111]

I can confirm he is Jack; he was my investigation last night.

With this, I think he wont be back on my list for the game.

Now my list is down to 5. 4 mafia, 1 3rd party perhaps? We'll find out soon I guess.

[spiesr]

Also, since I don't doubt we have a watcher, that crosses Iron B off my list

Why? With this setup why would you expect us to have a watcher? And why would you expect him being a watcher to make him town?

I can confirm he is Jack; he was my investigation last night.

With this, I think he wont be back on my list for the game.

But, he can be both telling the truth about his character and role and still be mafia, why do you think this isn't the case?

[edocsil]

Also, since I don't doubt we have a watcher, that crosses Iron B off my list

Why? With this setup why would you expect us to have a watcher? And why would you expect him being a watcher to make him town?

I can confirm he is Jack; he was my investigation last night.

With this, I think he wont be back on my list for the game.

But, he can be both telling the truth about his character and role and still be mafia, why do you think this isn't the case?

What good does a flavor cop do scum? My role makes sense I suppose to have random alignment. There is a whole lot of collateral damage in the game he is from. But a role cop? It isn't something that would lend itself well to scum, and to this point / has acted town to me.

[spiesr]

Also, since I don't doubt we have a watcher, that crosses Iron B off my list

Why? With this setup why would you expect us to have a watcher? And why would you expect him being a watcher to make him town?

I can confirm he is Jack; he was my investigation last night.

With this, I think he wont be back on my list for the game.

But, he can be both telling the truth about his character and role and still be mafia, why do you think this isn't the case?

What good does a flavor cop do scum? My role makes sense I suppose to have random alignment. There is a whole lot of collateral damage in the game he is from. But a role cop? It isn't something that would lend itself well to scum, and to this point / has acted town to me.

Err, my post of in reference to Iron Butterfly and his watcher claim, not /.

[Iron Butterfly]

Also, since I don't doubt we have a watcher, that crosses Iron B off my list

Why? With this setup why would you expect us to have a watcher? And why would you expect him being a watcher to make him town?

I can confirm he is Jack; he was my investigation last night.

With this, I think he wont be back on my list for the game.

But, he can be both telling the truth about his character and role and still be mafia, why do you think this isn't the case?

Do you have a problem with my claim? Why would we not have a watcher? You can offer that up for any role. You dont question my role role but question my alignment?You seem to be saying I could just as easily be mafia? LOL fine. You want to go down that path feel free.

The same could be said of you...protecting all those nice town people and collecting brownie points.

[safariguy5]

I think I am cleared, as there has been no counterclaim.

Interesting character choice jonty. PCM matched it up well

IB:
If he is lynch proof I would think he would be the missing kill switch

I don't follow this until now, it seems you were right. I would bet saf is a WHAM! Member. Which also means edoc was wrong, so far very few people selected roles with weapons.

Where are you getting this from? Are you saying that jak and I are mafia scumbuddies who concocted the whole Third Party Killswitch angle? Jonty has stated he's a lyncher, and I assume that means he's going for a person. Singular. Which means that if your theory is right, jak had absolutely no reason to back me up because he would have no reason to gain from me being WHAM!

Did you claim a character that I forgot?

I am getting this based on the assumption that jonty is the other killswitch. If I have that assumption wrong, then it is based on nothing.

vote jak

Deciding that players who are being nice to you are pro-town is faulty. I have explained this to you before. If you are going to admit to being irrational then there is no reason to keep you alive. Unless anyone has a mafia case that makes sense, going with you is fine.

I am going to give everyone a chance to request any yams. If nobody can convince me otherwise, I will give edoc a daycop yam.

I am a God of Yams. I can do what I want (that is my role clarification btw).

Yes, I claimed Hiei from the anime Yu Yu Hakusho.

As for the watcher claim, it's possible for the watcher to be any alignment (like mafia) as roles are independent from alignment. In fact, I've put mafia watchers in my games before (POTC Mafia).

On the subject of roles, there are a few roles that I think would be OP for mafia. Vig obviously would be OP as that gives mafia extra NK's. Governor would also be pretty OP as a mafia governor would be able to stop lynches on his scumbuddies. Besides that, I could see just about any role being mafia aligned. So that doesn't necessarily clear IB in and of itself. I highly doubt anyone to be able to counterclaim anyone in this game on flavor grounds, but maybe role grounds.

[DoomYoshi]

Ok, my bad saf. I didn't mean to accuse you of lying, I just forgot. Also, IB, I don't understand why you claimed. We know that mafia roles are randomly determined. This seems to be a ploy to clear some brownie points.

I don't think shaggy or tails need to declare their actions. That road leads us to a massclaim, which may not be helpful. Interesting that / chose IB last night? Any reason for choosing an inconspicous player? Also, no hard feelings on not giving you another yam, it's just edoc is now more clear in my eyes than you are (as he has already flipped town).

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Just so everyone has a bit more clarity. This is a crazy game with crazy roles, which is fun but I feel the Town faction needs to know who is who and who has done what. We have a sneaky killer who has not been able to kill the past two nights. We have two differing factions, or maybe they are the same faction.

I am Jack Skellington Town Watcher

Shaggy explain your actions Night one.

Tails explain your actions on night two.

Others have been observed in the mix...but I will get to them later.

lol would you like some mass claim with that?

As for why I voted Tails. He's contributed nothing, he's on the list, and he's active. Three things that equal bad.

1. Contribution- Care to elaborate? For a while I was against Doom; his claim changes things assuming he's telling the truth. Honestly, I'm still wary of him.
2. List- Your list is subjective and has like a third of the players on it. I'm not too worried about that.
3. Active- My activity is around the norm for me.

In sum, you're looking for things that aren't there. If your subjective list that is propagated by meager observations is a greater contribution than mine own, please enlighten me.

-Tails

[Iron Butterfly]

Night one I visited Yumiel. She was the most logical choice considering all the bs with her asking to be killed
Edoscil visited obviously, as did Shaggy.

I have always found it odd how everyone was trying to pin the night one scene on edoscil. I was the only voice clearing Edoscil after his death. I knew where he was.

Someone was trying to kill someone night one and it was not Edoscil. I was the one who said he was tracking and i was the one who pointed out the way his night and day actions worked. People had a vested interest in keeping the focus on Edoscil.

Why have I claimed? There is no where in the rules that says I cant. Ive had two nights to garner information that is useful.

Seems folks don't have a problem with my role BUT they have a problem with my alignment? The only way you will know the truth is if I am lynched, If I am nKd or if there is a cop. If we don't know alignment then what good is a cop?

My concern is the Town winning. I would rather have my role and its info on the table now.

[safariguy5]

Night one I visited Yumiel. She was the most logical choice considering all the bs with her asking to be killed
Edoscil visited obviously, as did Shaggy.

I have always found it odd how everyone was trying to pin the night one scene on edoscil. I was the only voice clearing Edoscil after his death. I knew where he was.

Someone was trying to kill someone night one and it was not Edoscil. I was the one who said he was tracking and i was the one who pointed out the way his night and day actions worked. People had a vested interest in keeping the focus on Edoscil.

Why have I claimed? There is no where in the rules that says I cant. Ive had two nights to garner information that is useful.

Seems folks don't have a problem with my role BUT they have a problem with my alignment? The only way you will know the truth is if I am lynched, If I am nKd or if there is a cop. If we don't know alignment then what good is a cop?

My concern is the Town winning. I would rather have my role and its info on the table now.

So are you saying that Shaggy was trying to kill Yomiel Night 1? Because based on your results, I don't know how you can come to that conclusion unless you witnessed someone (who you say is not edoc) trying to kill Night 1.

Otherwise, that's basically stating the obvious that mafia would want to try to kill someone, preferably not mafia, night 1.

[pancakemix]

Vote Count

Jak - 2 (Yoshi, IB)
Tails - 1 (Jak)

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is July 20 at 12:00 noon ET (GMT -04:00).

[Iron Butterfly]

Unvote Jak

Safari Nowhere did I suggest Shaggy tried to kill anyone but you are making it seem like I am. Shaggy visited Yumiel night one, that is all I said.

[jak111]

2. List- Your list is subjective and has like a third of the players on it. I'm not too worried about that.

Well with a third of the players not being town, it isn't that far fetch to say my list holds probably at least half of the mafia within it. But with the numbers so far and off of estimations of number of mafia, I can't really clear 12/15 people, so stop thinking illogically. I gotta clear so and so many people mentally, and see what remains compared to my estimations of numbers. Which it seems to fit perfectly at the moment. So excuse me if I'm gonna go with my gut feeling on this one Tails.

Also, Iron B asked you to give out why you visited the person. I really don't see the point in stalling that. His role is pretty much confirmed since you admitted to visiting with your post, just not why or what you did. ~Smiles~ You just successfully cleared a townie.

As for Shaggy, hopefully he comes forward with his information. Who did you target N2 Iron B?

[safariguy5]

Unvote Jak

Safari Nowhere did I suggest Shaggy tried to kill anyone but you are making it seem like I am. Shaggy visited Yumiel night one, that is all I said.

I clearly quoted where you said someone tried to kill someone. Given that the night scene was not at all clear what happened, I don't know where you're getting that from. Are you suggesting it was an attempted vig kill or an attempted mafia kill? But you clearly said someone was trying to kill someone. I'd like to see evidence or justification of that.

[Iron Butterfly]

Unvote Jak

Safari Nowhere did I suggest Shaggy tried to kill anyone but you are making it seem like I am. Shaggy visited Yumiel night one, that is all I said.

I clearly quoted where you said someone tried to kill someone. Given that the night scene was not at all clear what happened, I don't know where you're getting that from. Are you suggesting it was an attempted vig kill or an attempted mafia kill? But you clearly said someone was trying to kill someone. I'd like to see evidence or justification of that.

You did read the night one scene? If you haven't explain how you would interpret "Intent to kill". This is all old news.

You seem to be trying to sew confusion where there should not be any.

[jak111]

Unvote Jak

Safari Nowhere did I suggest Shaggy tried to kill anyone but you are making it seem like I am. Shaggy visited Yumiel night one, that is all I said.

I clearly quoted where you said someone tried to kill someone. Given that the night scene was not at all clear what happened, I don't know where you're getting that from. Are you suggesting it was an attempted vig kill or an attempted mafia kill? But you clearly said someone was trying to kill someone. I'd like to see evidence or justification of that.

You did read the night one scene? If you haven't explain how you would interpret "Intent to kill". This is all old news.

You seem to be trying to sew confusion where there should not be any.

I guess I'm not the only one thinking Saf is throwing us off >.< I thought with his earlier post that he was trying to put words into people's mouths and even more so with his last post. With another person sort of saying so I guess I'm not crazy in saying that.

The night scenes were obvious, but.. Iron B, I don't think N1 Yomiel was the target, not with /'s Spiesr's and the others information, it just wouldn't fit to have another person in all that mix up unless they weren't mentioned.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Well with a third of the players not being town, it isn't that far fetch to say my list holds probably at least half of the mafia within it. But with the numbers so far and off of estimations of number of mafia, I can't really clear 12/15 people, so stop thinking illogically. I gotta clear so and so many people mentally, and see what remains compared to my estimations of numbers. Which it seems to fit perfectly at the moment. So excuse me if I'm gonna go with my gut feeling on this one Tails.

It's possible that your list has no mafia on it. Your list has no actual tells on it, but is merely a wish list comprised of your vague impressions that aren't backed up in any way.

Gut feeling =/= logic. You're accusing me of being illogical, which is silly when your entire argument depends upon a gut feeling. Perhaps you should review what logic is before dismissing mine. My point was that you said I was vote worthy because I was (1) not contributing, which I showed to be not the case, (2) on "the" list, which I showed is absurd because your list is laughable, and (3) active, which shows nothing.

So you're grabbing nothing from a fat lot of nothing and trying to make something from it.

-Tails

[Iron Butterfly]

Another reason that I have claimed is because if our alignment can not be determined by our roles then the only thing we have to base it on is our actions and their results. The best way to judge is to know what people did to other people, why they where where they were and weather their explanations conflict with someone else.

[jak111]

Well with a third of the players not being town, it isn't that far fetch to say my list holds probably at least half of the mafia within it. But with the numbers so far and off of estimations of number of mafia, I can't really clear 12/15 people, so stop thinking illogically. I gotta clear so and so many people mentally, and see what remains compared to my estimations of numbers. Which it seems to fit perfectly at the moment. So excuse me if I'm gonna go with my gut feeling on this one Tails.

It's possible that your list has no mafia on it. Your list has no actual tells on it, but is merely a wish list comprised of your vague impressions that aren't backed up in any way.

Gut feeling =/= logic. You're accusing me of being illogical, which is silly when your entire argument depends upon a gut feeling. Perhaps you should review what logic is before dismissing mine. My point was that you said I was vote worthy because I was (1) not contributing, which I showed to be not the case, (2) on "the" list, which I showed is absurd because your list is laughable, and (3) active, which shows nothing.

So you're grabbing nothing from a fat lot of nothing and trying to make something from it.

-Tails

My list is laughable is it? Eliminate those that are cleared and tell me who's left Tails? At one point or another others have been cleared off as the game progressed, right now only a few remain. Just because you're one of the few does not mean you can call my reasoning bs. Who do you trust Tails? I trust /, and atm Iron B. / alone has cleared a few people at one point or another. Doom went uncountered in the Yam Giver, Spiesr is uncountered and is a protection role that is pretty much cleared since no other protection role has stepped up to the plate.

Show me where my list is bs instead of just shouting it out Tails. Show me who on my cleared list shouldn't be cleared or almost cleared? You can talk a lot of shit, but if you don't take a moment and bring your own lists, thoughts, and ideas to the table, how do you expect to be helped? Right now the only reason by my list is sort of dominating is because everyone else just says it's bs, without pointing out flaws, errors, or even making their own list of cleared/uncleared. Hell, I wish I had the easy job of sitting back and calling everyone's stuff bs because it has my name on it or whatever. That takes no time or effort to do. Those saying since I'm 3rd party I can't be trusted, well I don't see why I can't be when I'm bringing everything to the table and contributing my ideas.

So, once again I'll state this clearly for you Tails. Either point out where my list is flawed without saying I'm 3rd party or make your own list, let's compare and see who we can cross off as town and who we can pin as being on multiple lists of baddies. I'm all ears, but you better be able to speak my language of numbers and English.

[safariguy5]

Unvote Jak

Safari Nowhere did I suggest Shaggy tried to kill anyone but you are making it seem like I am. Shaggy visited Yumiel night one, that is all I said.

I clearly quoted where you said someone tried to kill someone. Given that the night scene was not at all clear what happened, I don't know where you're getting that from. Are you suggesting it was an attempted vig kill or an attempted mafia kill? But you clearly said someone was trying to kill someone. I'd like to see evidence or justification of that.

You did read the night one scene? If you haven't explain how you would interpret "Intent to kill". This is all old news.

You seem to be trying to sew confusion where there should not be any.

But there IS confusion. Specifically with the Night 1 scene where "intent to kill" turned into what? A roleblock? I'm pointing out that you saying "someone tried to kill someone" is not tied to anything you uncovered in your investigations. If you can explain what exactly happened to cause the attempted kill to be negated, then absolutely I would view you more as being townish/cleared. But you haven't, and you offer no new suggestions about what happened. Putting generic statements like that makes me think you're trying to show that you're cleared or earn brownie points with town. I mean, I could just as easily state the obvious and appear to be helping town when in reality I'm not really saying useful at all.