[Official] Team CC Mafia [Finished]

[safariguy5]

Night 3:

The night air was packed with sounds. The day had gone well-ish for both the Mafia and town. But this was about to change. Bigtime.

The men in black coats were searching for their next target. They turned the corner of the forums and finally saw their target standing in front of them. They crept up behind him and even though he knew they were there, the men in the black greatcoats were puzzled. Why did he not show any signs of fright. Nevertheless they carried out the deed. However when they turned the body over they realized their real target had been swapped, and they had killed one of their own!

Bleed_Green InsomniaRed Mafia Chatter, is Dead.

Another man in the part of the forums had been watching on and investigating one of the mafia men, when he was surrounded by a group of three other men.

“We want you”. One of them said. Come and be taught. And the Investigator walked off with them into the night.

Day 4 Go

If this recruitment was naxus, then he was watching one of the mafia, which must have been DoomYoshi. Why he said DoomYoshi was innocent is beyond me but the scene seems to be quite clear in stating he was watching a mafia member.

[DoomYoshi]

Night 3:

The night air was packed with sounds. The day had gone well-ish for both the Mafia and town. But this was about to change. Bigtime.

The men in black coats were searching for their next target. They turned the corner of the forums and finally saw their target standing in front of them. They crept up behind him and even though he knew they were there, the men in the black greatcoats were puzzled. Why did he not show any signs of fright. Nevertheless they carried out the deed. However when they turned the body over they realized their real target had been swapped, and they had killed one of their own!

Bleed_Green InsomniaRed Mafia Chatter, is Dead.

Another man in the part of the forums had been watching on and investigating one of the mafia men, when he was surrounded by a group of three other men.

“We want you”. One of them said. Come and be taught. And the Investigator walked off with them into the night.

Day 4 Go

If this recruitment was naxus, then he was watching one of the mafia, which must have been DoomYoshi. Why he said DoomYoshi was innocent is beyond me but the scene seems to be quite clear in stating he was watching a mafia member.

Reading too much into the night scene here I believe. Right now you are saying that you believe naxus investigated me, but also that you don't believe he said I am innocent. So he is lying 50%? What motive would he have for lying at all, or for telling the truth at all? I did not go anywhere as I do not have any night actions, or any day actions.

Let's say for a second that I am mafia. Safariguy5 is saying, by his vote on me, that he is more worried about the mafia, which are probably down to very few members, then the cult, which are now up to 4 members. After 4 days, I begin to wonder: how much more evidence do people need that he is a possible recruiter: vote safariguy5

[safariguy5]

Night 3:

The night air was packed with sounds. The day had gone well-ish for both the Mafia and town. But this was about to change. Bigtime.

The men in black coats were searching for their next target. They turned the corner of the forums and finally saw their target standing in front of them. They crept up behind him and even though he knew they were there, the men in the black greatcoats were puzzled. Why did he not show any signs of fright. Nevertheless they carried out the deed. However when they turned the body over they realized their real target had been swapped, and they had killed one of their own!

Bleed_Green InsomniaRed Mafia Chatter, is Dead.

Another man in the part of the forums had been watching on and investigating one of the mafia men, when he was surrounded by a group of three other men.

“We want you”. One of them said. Come and be taught. And the Investigator walked off with them into the night.

Day 4 Go

If this recruitment was naxus, then he was watching one of the mafia, which must have been DoomYoshi. Why he said DoomYoshi was innocent is beyond me but the scene seems to be quite clear in stating he was watching a mafia member.

Reading too much into the night scene here I believe. Right now you are saying that you believe naxus investigated me, but also that you don't believe he said I am innocent. So he is lying 50%? What motive would he have for lying at all, or for telling the truth at all? I did not go anywhere as I do not have any night actions, or any day actions.

Let's say for a second that I am mafia. Safariguy5 is saying, by his vote on me, that he is more worried about the mafia, which are probably down to very few members, then the cult, which are now up to 4 members. After 4 days, I begin to wonder: how much more evidence do people need that he is a possible recruiter: vote safariguy5

We agreed that naxus is cult and therefore should be left up to a nighttime NK. As far as I'm concerned, as long as we can keep killing cult members, it's a manageable problem for now. And you're now saying that we should put no stock in the night scenes despite the fact that they seem to be rather accurately illustrating what has been going on with the bus driving, the cult recruiting, and the roleblocking. Seems to me that you're trying to use cult scare tactics to hide the fact that you're known mafia and conveniently forgetting that we can still vig kill naxus tonight.

[DoomYoshi]

NKing naxus does not stop the problem of a cult recruiter. Killing me does not stop the problem of a cult recruiter. I am not mafia, you have still not explained why naxus would lie about one thing but tell the truth about another. Basically what you are saying is that naxus, even though he is lying, is more trustworthy than me. It doens't follow logically. Naxus is telling the truth. I am town. The godfather is dead, so I can't even imagine that as a possible avenue of explanation.

The cult start becoming a legitimate threat on day 4. I am not some crazy McCarthyist. They need to be focused on. So maybe we can offer a deal with naxus: his recruiter or his life. Also, you are ignoring the possibility that the cult lose their abilities when they recruit.

[DoomYoshi]

I also have a question for naxus: what caused you to investigate me last night?

[safariguy5]

King Achilles is a multihunter right? It is possible for him to be investigative also?

I think all fingers point to naxus right now though.

vote naxus

So first you're saying that you think naxus got recruited, and he confirms it.

Then when he says he investigated you and got a town result, you take that as proof that you're not mafia.

Yet the night scene clearly states that the person recruited by the cult is some sort of investigative role and was watching a mafia member.

So either you don't believe naxus was recruited, or you believe naxus was recruited and therefore you are scum.

What naxus says he got is irrelevant at this point. The facts are that some investigative role was recruited and he was investigating a mafia member. Obviously, only one mafia person does the killing each night, so saying you didn't go anywhere doesn't prove anything. Now, if you don't think naxus was recruited, then you are cleared as town. However, as the above post shows, you clearly believe naxus was recruited, making you scum.

[DoomYoshi]

Ok, so if I am scum, then why is the cult recruiter not the biggest worry right now? I am the last of the scum and another town NK. It is my fault that Bleed was killed, and I was going to apologize at end of game, but now is the opportune time. I forgot pcm was the doctor. The town had a really good chance at this one with 4 n00bs as scum, and then Hank (for no reason I might add) stealing the claim that I had designed for shield, but changing as to get pcm to counterclaim (he was originally supposed to be a poison doctor, but meh).

[DoomYoshi]

Ok, so if I am scum, then why is the cult recruiter not the biggest worry right now? I am the last of the scum and another town NK. It is my fault that Bleed was killed, and I was going to apologize at end of game, but now is the opportune time. I forgot pcm was the busdriver. The town had a really good chance at this one with 4 n00bs as scum, and then Hank (for no reason I might add) stealing the claim that I had designed for shield, but changing as to get pcm to counterclaim (he was originally supposed to be a poison doctor, but meh).

EBWOP

Furthermore, if anyone wants proof that skimming is evidence of scum, here it is. Only skum ever scim.

[Rodion]

First of all, gotta pay my debts.

I have an idea. PCM, only explain how you used your power after Naxus gives his report. This way, Naxus may be risking his life if he says the person PCM protected is guilty. Since Naxus can't know who PCM protected, he's tempted to tell the truth.

Oh, wait, I found a big flaw in my reasoning. I'll explain it myself later (please, nobody explain it for me now). I'll also explain why I delayed the explanation.

Flaw was simple. If Naxus had targeted PCM's other target and got a guilty report, it would not be a lie, as that report would be an accurate report on Bleed Green (Insomnia Red, mafia chatter). I didn't explain it right away because I thought that unintentional "trap" could eventually lead us into catching Naxus lying (assuming he did). All moot now, as he confessed.

That issue put behind us, I'm feeling uneasy with the King Achilles and allegedly town hunter plot. Granted, N2 flavour really suggests KA was found. It bothers me that Commander said he was important without really explaining how he could have helped us. He promised a "vig kill" (other than Gilligan's), but that vig kill didn't happen. What I took from his remarks (assuming they were truthful) is that his existence enabled the hunter to have powers (other than looking for him) and that it was the hunter that got the vig power. Then we have Mr. Squirrel complaining that he was roleblocked in an "inopportune time". Perhaps that explains why the vig kill didn't occur (Mr. Squirrel being the hunter and targeted by the roleblocker). We can't, however, follow through with plans such as "let's not waste our lynch on Naxus because we can NK him" until we're sure we really can do that (that = NK someone). Commander, Mr. Squirrel, can we please get something from you two?

Fasposted by several DY/Saf posts (didn't read them yet).

[Rodion]

Ok, so if I am scum, then why is the cult recruiter not the biggest worry right now? I am the last of the scum and another town NK. It is my fault that Bleed was killed, and I was going to apologize at end of game, but now is the opportune time. I forgot pcm was the doctor. The town had a really good chance at this one with 4 n00bs as scum, and then Hank (for no reason I might add) stealing the claim that I had designed for shield, but changing as to get pcm to counterclaim (he was originally supposed to be a poison doctor, but meh).

Is that a confession?

[DoomYoshi]

Yes it is a confession. I am TSL, the mod who tells the town who the mafia are after making them godfathers.

[Rodion]

Yes it is a confession. I am TSL, the mod who tells the town who the mafia are after making them godfathers.

Extremely interesting.

1 - Who did you target your NK on N1?
2 - What was Bleed's power as a chatter? Talking during the day?

[DoomYoshi]

1. Streaker
2. Yes

I don't know where your idea of a town NK came from. I'm all you've got.

[Rodion]

Good. Bleed's power of talking during the day is compatible with you designing Shield a claim that was stolen by Hank before N1.
That also means you got to talk to Hank before he died, so you got to know his powers as a hunter. Which leads me to question number 3.

3 - What was Hank's power?

[Rodion]

I also missed an obvious one.

4 - What is your role/power?

[DoomYoshi]

I have no idea. Mafia Godfather.

[Rodion]

No, godfather was Shield. You became godfather with his death. What was your role/power before that?

So, even though you had the ability to talk during the day you didn't get to understand Hank's powers? How come?

[DoomYoshi]

I thought a mafia hunter was someone who got to choose who to kill when he died... I looked it up rather than asking. Turns out I was wrong.

I was a regular goon, that's why my play picked up after I thought I could count on surviving an investigation.

[safariguy5]

No, godfather was Shield. You became godfather with his death. What was your role/power before that?

So, even though you had the ability to talk during the day you didn't get to understand Hank's powers? How come?

That's interesting though. A mafia good inherits the godfather role after the godfather dies. It could be more difficult for the investigative roles to figure out who mafia is.

[Commander9]

That issue put behind us, I'm feeling uneasy with the King Achilles and allegedly town hunter plot. Granted, N2 flavour really suggests KA was found. It bothers me that Commander said he was important without really explaining how he could have helped us. He promised a "vig kill" (other than Gilligan's), but that vig kill didn't happen. What I took from his remarks (assuming they were truthful) is that his existence enabled the hunter to have powers (other than looking for him) and that it was the hunter that got the vig power. Then we have Mr. Squirrel complaining that he was roleblocked in an "inopportune time". Perhaps that explains why the vig kill didn't occur (Mr. Squirrel being the hunter and targeted by the roleblocker). We can't, however, follow through with plans such as "let's not waste our lynch on Naxus because we can NK him" until we're sure we really can do that (that = NK someone). Commander, Mr. Squirrel, can we please get something from you two?

Fasposted by several DY/Saf posts (didn't read them yet).

Please do not twist the words - I stated that a NK would happen should Naxus would have lied. We got our target and there were no obvious targets - or are you trying to hint that you should be the one who should have been NK'd? If that's the case, we can work with that. Also, I am not associated with Mr. Squirrel in any way.

[Rodion]

Please do not twist the words - I stated that a NK would happen should Naxus would have lied. We got our target and there were no obvious targets - or are you trying to hint that you should be the one who should have been NK'd? If that's the case, we can work with that. Also, I am not associated with Mr. Squirrel in any way.

Let's see.

I've been swapping myself during the night to free up the doc from protecting me. So they targeted me.

On Naxus: Don't lynch him. It's a waste. If we're going to lynch anyone cult today, it should be the leader. Kill naxus tonight please if he must be dealt with now. That said, we cannot trust his investigation because he's cult and more likely than not knows who is in the cult at this point. Plus, as I said earlier, based on my experience in Albarezzi recruited roles lose their powers in Sax's games (I think) so his offer is not a good one. I think Yoshi should explain his role given the circumstances.

This. Lynching him would only get us closer to a loss - we'll get him tonight rather than lynching him.

You wouldn't be placing all your eggs on the basket of the mafia killing Naxus for us, would you? Mafia has its own agenda, so hoping for cooperation doesn't sound like the way to go. Besides, the pronoun you used was "we", not "they", meaning you are somewhat related to whoever is "getting him" (Naxus) tonight. That leads us back to the possibility of you (or the hunter that found you) having some sort of "vig kill", which you mentioned on D3. That vig power, supposedly acquired during N2 - when you were found - was not used on N3. I just asked for confirmation that we do have a power like this. It can be that Squirrel got roleblocked. It can also be that this power is 1-time only and whoever got him preferred not to use it yet. It can also be that Squirrel got roleblocked AND the power was 1-time only (though I'm not sure if mechanics give him another use or if he wasted it). It can in fact be several possibilities, that's why I'm trying to make sure that town does have this NKing power.

Reading your remarks highlighted in red, I'm not really seeing you stating that a NK on Naxus would only happen "should Naxus would have lied".

Why are you threatening me? Is it a crime to want explanations when things look murky? Not sure why you got extra defensive...

[Mr. Squirrel]

Wow, this thread exploded.

On Naxus: Don't lynch him. It's a waste. If we're going to lynch anyone cult today, it should be the leader. Kill naxus tonight please if he must be dealt with now. That said, we cannot trust his investigation because he's cult and more likely than not knows who is in the cult at this point.

Ok. This makes sense and I agree to it. I just hope we still have people on our side who can perform the NK.
unvote

I am the last of the scum and another town NK.

No, you aren't another town NK. As good as it would be to have you on our side, we really can't trust you. You have no reason to help us (since you can't win with town) and if we keep you alive one more night, chances are you might try to kill off one of our townies.
vote yoshi

The town had a really good chance at this one with 4 n00bs as scum

Yea I noticed that too once the mafia members started dropping. With a little more preparedness, you guys could've done really well though. The ability to talk during the day is invaluable and definitely could've given you guys a leg up on us.

Also, I am not associated with Mr. Squirrel in any way

agreed

It can also be that Squirrel got roleblocked AND the power was 1-time only (though I'm not sure if mechanics give him another use or if he wasted it).

This. I had a 1-shot investigation. I didn't get it back.

[jonty125]

vote doom for mafia confession.

[Commander9]

You wouldn't be placing all your eggs on the basket of the mafia killing Naxus for us, would you? Mafia has its own agenda, so hoping for cooperation doesn't sound like the way to go. Besides, the pronoun you used was "we", not "they", meaning you are somewhat related to whoever is "getting him" (Naxus) tonight. That leads us back to the possibility of you (or the hunter that found you) having some sort of "vig kill", which you mentioned on D3. That vig power, supposedly acquired during N2 - when you were found - was not used on N3. I just asked for confirmation that we do have a power like this. It can be that Squirrel got roleblocked. It can also be that this power is 1-time only and whoever got him preferred not to use it yet. It can also be that Squirrel got roleblocked AND the power was 1-time only (though I'm not sure if mechanics give him another use or if he wasted it). It can in fact be several possibilities, that's why I'm trying to make sure that town does have this NKing power.

Reading your remarks highlighted in red, I'm not really seeing you stating that a NK on Naxus would only happen "should Naxus would have lied".

Why are you threatening me? Is it a crime to want explanations when things look murky? Not sure why you got extra defensive...

... God, you really need to start reading.

Where did you get this idea of yours that mafia is the way I am counting on a kill on Naxus. I've already started that one of two of us has a vig power and should there be a need, we will use it.

It looks like you are rather trying to get more information on who to recruit next rather than making sure for this town. This serves absolutely no purpose to help town, but it helps cult out A LOT.

How so? Please explain. If there would be a crazed vig, you'd have already seen it.

Things don't look murky at all - you're just (yet again) trying to incriminate me without any evidence and pure speculation with no basis. In other words, trying really hard to get rid of me.

Neither Yoshi, nor Naxus really need immediate attention and I'd rather find out the cult leader... And you seem like a good place to start. Vote Rodion.

[Rodion]

You wouldn't be placing all your eggs on the basket of the mafia killing Naxus for us, would you? Mafia has its own agenda, so hoping for cooperation doesn't sound like the way to go. Besides, the pronoun you used was "we", not "they", meaning you are somewhat related to whoever is "getting him" (Naxus) tonight. That leads us back to the possibility of you (or the hunter that found you) having some sort of "vig kill", which you mentioned on D3. That vig power, supposedly acquired during N2 - when you were found - was not used on N3. I just asked for confirmation that we do have a power like this. It can be that Squirrel got roleblocked. It can also be that this power is 1-time only and whoever got him preferred not to use it yet. It can also be that Squirrel got roleblocked AND the power was 1-time only (though I'm not sure if mechanics give him another use or if he wasted it). It can in fact be several possibilities, that's why I'm trying to make sure that town does have this NKing power.

Reading your remarks highlighted in red, I'm not really seeing you stating that a NK on Naxus would only happen "should Naxus would have lied".

Why are you threatening me? Is it a crime to want explanations when things look murky? Not sure why you got extra defensive...

... God, you really need to start reading.

Where did you get this idea of yours that mafia is the way I am counting on a kill on Naxus. I've already started that one of two of us has a vig power and should there be a need, we will use it.

It looks like you are rather trying to get more information on who to recruit next rather than making sure for this town. This serves absolutely no purpose to help town, but it helps cult out A LOT.

How so? Please explain. If there would be a crazed vig, you'd have already seen it.

Things don't look murky at all - you're just (yet again) trying to incriminate me without any evidence and pure speculation with no basis. In other words, trying really hard to get rid of me.

Neither Yoshi, nor Naxus really need immediate attention and I'd rather find out the cult leader... And you seem like a good place to start. Vote Rodion.

Because you stated that on D3 and there was no vig power used on N3. That either means you were lying, you were blocked or you refrained from using the power for whatever motive. I just want to understand what's going on before we take things for granted (like "don't worry, we'll NK him", when there is absolutely NO PROOF that one of you 2 can indeed NK someone - for some reason your N3 chance to show that didn't occur).

If I was a cult recruiter I'd certainly not use my night action on someone that hinted at mechanics that make him unrecruitable from regular means, nor the hunter who recruited him, as he could be unrecruitable himself for similar reasons.

I don't know what a crazed vig is.

Oh, not murky? I don't want to incriminate someone that is widely believe to be town. I just want an explanation on why the power you promised we had was not used last night. It's that simple! Because you're trying to make us believe you (or the hunter) have this power, but we got 0 proof of it so far. Again, all I want is an explanation, but you're getting extremely defensive, up to the point of threatening to NK me and now trying to lynch me. It seems it is you that are trying too hard to get me.