[Endgame] Firefly Mafia

[Iliad]

I'm Atherton wing a Paranoid Gun Owner. Take offense at sligts and loves to duel.

I agree about strike's claim being weak, but because it's the only one so far that's not in the show Firefly and is in the movie Serenity. It's quite clear that the game is based on the show and not the movie, otherwise we would have Reavers as the Serial killer or a second mafia rather than a Bastard of the Week.
Fircoal also is right, as he is reclusive and it was Reynolds who had to try and find him to meet him, and then his entire purpose was to broadcast the message everywhere. That and the character not existing in the show, I believe strike may be fakeclaiming

[ShaggyDan]

I agree about strike's claim being weak, but because it's the only one so far that's not in the show Firefly and is in the movie Serenity. It's quite clear that the game is based on the show and not the movie, otherwise we would have Reavers as the Serial killer or a second mafia rather than a Bastard of the Week.
Fircoal also is right, as he is reclusive and it was Reynolds who had to try and find him to meet him, and then his entire purpose was to broadcast the message everywhere. That and the character not existing in the show, I believe strike may be fakeclaiming

From memory 'The Operative' is also only in the movie and he was a character as well.

Since we only have one person who claimed River and River was mentioned in a scene; I believe the claim. The only thing I am slightly worried about is that River's allignment may have changed due to Simon's dieing (a.k.a. go crazy). I would say odds are that River is town, could you explain your kill on night 2 at all?

From night 2:

The man had slipped away into the dark of the ship down towards the engine room knowing none would follow him with the commotion going on above. He had a small ship latched to the underside of the Serenity and had a small hatch he could make his escape from. He would always be able to come back another night if his cover wasn't compromised.

He never made it. River was waiting for him hidden just above his exit. As he passed underneath her she dropped from the ceiling, and with a quick twist of her hands she broke his neck, he never saw her coming.

So the list looks like this:

- Talapus: River - Town cop
- ShaggyDan: Book - Priest + River's innocent result

- Fircoal: Inara - Roleblocker

- Illiad: Atherton - PGO
- Strike: Mr. Universe - Universal Mason

- Commander: Badger - Third Party Survivor

All the claims have believable flavour IMO, there's a fair enough point with Mr. Universe being able to broadcast to people each night.

There may be a fair amount of odds of us only having one scum left alive, 3 mafia + 1 serial killer + 1 survivor in a 15 player game makes sense. Though we should definitely act as though we have 2 scum around.

Of the four people that aren't cleared my order of suspiscion goes like this (from most to least):

1. Commander: Claimed a third party survivor. Even if this is true then he's not nesecarilly going to help us. He'll be trying to help whatever side has the best chance to win.

2. Strike: Seems awfully convienent the people you chose have died. If you are telling the truth you should have been a little more daring... you would have had to assume that saf was going to get targetted last night and you really should have picked someone else. I find it hard to believe, but I will re-read looking at the DoomYoshi point you brought up.

3. Illiad: Role fits the flavour well. Has anyone targeted Illiad? It's a risky fake-claim by scum because it could easily be de-bunked by someone saying they've targeted you. I'm inclined to believe it's true.

4. Fircoal: Solid claim, would like to hear night actions and we probably should have done this before the mass-claim in case it is a fake-claim. Although he's the least suspicious on my list I still find it hard to believe that scum wasn't given a crew-member of Serenity to fake-claim.

Honestly the difference in supiscious-ness of 1-3 isn't big. Hmm, going to have a re-read instead of studying for exams... because study is just that damn boring .

[ShaggyDan]

Since the cop has apparently claimed I don't mind claiming either. I am Mr. Universe-universal mason. Each night I can contact one person and talk to them. This is why doomyoshi knew I was town and how I knew who he claimed to be. He wasn't very willing to give up his ability or share information during these talks which was a big part of why I fingered him as scum. As for the other two nights i contacted Malcolm Reynolds and Zoe. I know this sounds convenient but if you were in my situation who would you contact? Two roles you knew you could trust or potential mafia who could mislead you? Personally I wasn't daring enough to try using it as a flavor cop. From my talks with safari we both agreed that vio should be killed (he had already sent the action in anyways) and that tal and commander were the most likely scum.

This claim and past actions smell of scum. There's no real reason to target the people who are confirmed and likely to be killed. Also the fact Yoshi gave no indication to back up your claim yesterday is another suspicious thing. Who did you pick on each individual night?

[Fircoal]

Since we only have one person who claimed River and River was mentioned in a scene; I believe the claim. The only thing I am slightly worried about is that River's allignment may have changed due to Simon's dieing (a.k.a. go crazy). I would say odds are that River is town, could you explain your kill on night 2 at all?

From night 2:

The man had slipped away into the dark of the ship down towards the engine room knowing none would follow him with the commotion going on above. He had a small ship latched to the underside of the Serenity and had a small hatch he could make his escape from. He would always be able to come back another night if his cover wasn't compromised.

He never made it. River was waiting for him hidden just above his exit. As he passed underneath her she dropped from the ceiling, and with a quick twist of her hands she broke his neck, he never saw her coming.

Great find; this actually makes me more suspicious of Talapus. I think we may need to question him a bit.

[Talapus]

Since we only have one person who claimed River and River was mentioned in a scene; I believe the claim. The only thing I am slightly worried about is that River's allignment may have changed due to Simon's dieing (a.k.a. go crazy). I would say odds are that River is town, could you explain your kill on night 2 at all?

From night 2:

The man had slipped away into the dark of the ship down towards the engine room knowing none would follow him with the commotion going on above. He had a small ship latched to the underside of the Serenity and had a small hatch he could make his escape from. He would always be able to come back another night if his cover wasn't compromised.

He never made it. River was waiting for him hidden just above his exit. As he passed underneath her she dropped from the ceiling, and with a quick twist of her hands she broke his neck, he never saw her coming.

Ok, I wasn't even this character yet, but since it's in my PM I can explain this. Yes, I am just a cop, no vig abilities or anything like that. However it says I am terribly protective of Kaylee and if and when she died I would find and kill her killer. Which apparently happened. But again, one time thing so don't expect anything other then investigations from me...lol.

[ShaggyDan]

Although I would have thought you would do that for Simon instead of Kaylee it makes sense. That plus no-one else has claimed River and from the scene it is pretty obvious she's in this, so I believe the claim of the character.

Fir; can you provide reports of who you blocked on each night?

Strike; can you provide which nights you targetted people and why you chose those people?

[strike wolf]

Actually I backed off because I thought you might have been tried to soft claim an investigative role yesterdaym. I wasn't certain enough to abandon my suspicions but it was just enough to back off a bit. At the same time I had a suspicion that someone else could have been river whom I found a likely candidate for a cop so you were never completely off my radar.

Since the cop has apparently claimed I don't mind claiming either. I am Mr. Universe-universal mason. Each night I can contact one person and talk to them. This is why doomyoshi knew I was town and how I knew who he claimed to be. He wasn't very willing to give up his ability or share information during these talks which was a big part of why I fingered him as scum. As for the other two nights i contacted Malcolm Reynolds and Zoe. I know this sounds convenient but if you were in my situation who would you contact? Two roles you knew you could trust or potential mafia who could mislead you? Personally I wasn't daring enough to try using it as a flavor cop. From my talks with safari we both agreed that vio should be killed (he had already sent the action in anyways) and that tal and commander were the most likely scum.

Mr. Universe is a reclusivetechno-geek in the movie Serenity portrayed by David Krumholtz.

I may not be the biggest Firefly fan but wikipedia doesn't like this claim. The idea of a reclusive mason does not fit together well. I'd like it if someone were to help me who's watched the show.

Also I'm not very well versed in this game I'll admit, I'll probably have to do more reading. However I do this that Shaggy and Tal's claims are pretty solid.

Mr. Universe also had the ability to transmit a signal to anyone in the galaxy and was a friend of the people aboard Serenity. He did briefly betray them when it came down to get paid or be killed by the alliance but he redeemed himself in his final moments by telling mal where to find the back up transmitting equipment.

I'm Atherton wing a Paranoid Gun Owner. Take offense at sligts and loves to duel.

I agree about strike's claim being weak, but because it's the only one so far that's not in the show Firefly and is in the movie Serenity. It's quite clear that the game is based on the show and not the movie, otherwise we would have Reavers as the Serial killer or a second mafia rather than a Bastard of the Week.
Fircoal also is right, as he is reclusive and it was Reynolds who had to try and find him to meet him, and then his entire purpose was to broadcast the message everywhere. That and the character not existing in the show, I believe strike may be fakeclaiming

Funnily enough I find your claim weak. Atherton was a one time character who I am skeptical would be town aligned. Also the Operative was from the movie. Does anyone have the guts to let me attempt to prove my claim?

Since the cop has apparently claimed I don't mind claiming either. I am Mr. Universe-universal mason. Each night I can contact one person and talk to them. This is why doomyoshi knew I was town and how I knew who he claimed to be. He wasn't very willing to give up his ability or share information during these talks which was a big part of why I fingered him as scum. As for the other two nights i contacted Malcolm Reynolds and Zoe. I know this sounds convenient but if you were in my situation who would you contact? Two roles you knew you could trust or potential mafia who could mislead you? Personally I wasn't daring enough to try using it as a flavor cop. From my talks with safari we both agreed that vio should be killed (he had already sent the action in anyways) and that tal and commander were the most likely scum.

This claim and past actions smell of scum. There's no real reason to target the people who are confirmed and likely to be killed. Also the fact Yoshi gave no indication to back up your claim yesterday is another suspicious thing. Who did you pick on each individual night?

Like I said I wasn't daring enough to pick people who I thought could be potential mafia and I really wasn't sure about contacting fircoal as we usually disagree on a lot of issues I doubted its productivity.

So...no one has anything to say?

Now that you are replacing Streaker, do you understand why he was on my townie list? It doesn't seem like you do, considering you are voting for me. This is very suspicious behaviour. Nark has also claimed, which brings mafia to about 1/3 to 1/2 of all remaining people. Not terrible odds.

This is the evidence that shows I contacted doomyoshi night one. He seems well aware of an issue that points to me being town and the reason seeming to do with my own role. Since he was town bomb that further supports I was the one who contacted him.

As far as the 9 crew members fir is cleared in my eyes and book is pretty solid as well (I had doubts only because he was a potential good candidate for a fake miller claim)

Although I would have thought you would do that for Simon instead of Kaylee it makes sense. That plus no-one else has claimed River and from the scene it is pretty obvious she's in this, so I believe the claim of the character.

Fir; can you provide reports of who you blocked on each night?

Strike; can you provide which nights you targetted people and why you chose those people?

I thought I provided nights but doomyoshi night one; strike-mal night 2; safari: night 3. Another fact about my role is that it is not subject to busdrives or role blocks as I can just contact the person directly.

As far as suspicion goes. I find iliad's claim the weakest however his ability could explain why he would be upset about being pursued (even if he didn't get lynched potential cop investigation leading to killing the cop. Very frustrating). I do not trust commander's behavior. I found his argument against me to be a bit hypocritical as he said I tried to direct town but I did nothing that would direct town more than what he and shaggy had said. If anything I did less.

[ShaggyDan]

So...no one has anything to say?

Now that you are replacing Streaker, do you understand why he was on my townie list? It doesn't seem like you do, considering you are voting for me. This is very suspicious behaviour. Nark has also claimed, which brings mafia to about 1/3 to 1/2 of all remaining people. Not terrible odds.

This is the evidence that shows I contacted doomyoshi night one. He seems well aware of an issue that points to me being town and the reason seeming to do with my own role. Since he was town bomb that further supports I was the one who contacted him.

That quote sounds legitimate to me. Knowing that Doom was the town-bomb that definitely sounds like a way for you to back up your claim later. The only way I can see it not being legit is if you are a scum role that can mason with people at night, but I struggle to think of any character other than Mr. Universe that could do this and I would be more inclined to believe he is town.

In any case, the blue hands wouldn't have that power (IMO) and they're the only confirmed scummy character we have out there. Which leaves us down to 2 likely suspects:

Illiad

With 9 out of 16 players having visiting roles (assuming bus-drivers count as a visiting role) it sounds fairly unlikely a PGO would survive up until day 4. Though not impossible I guess. Going to have a re-read just to see if there's any mention of anyone targetting you throughout the game.

Commander

Being a third-party survivor puts us at a big disadvantage in any kind of lylo situation.

Looking at the situation if we have one scum left: If we mys-lynch and hit town today, and scum kills tonight, we then go into tomorrow with 4 people. Commander and the remaining scum could then just lock the votes at a no-lynch and share a win. If we can't get a definitive read on anyone and we generally agree there's only one scum left I'd be all for lynching Commander as a last-resort option.

Also, I'm not going to 100% rule out the possibility of Fir being scum. It's very possible that scum got a fake-claim that was a member of Serenity. That said, the claim sounds fairly legit to me and the two above look like better candidates IMO.

[Commander9]

Mr. Universe is a reclusivetechno-geek in the movie Serenity portrayed by David Krumholtz.

I may not be the biggest Firefly fan but wikipedia doesn't like this claim. The idea of a reclusive mason does not fit together well. I'd like it if someone were to help me who's watched the show.

Also I'm not very well versed in this game I'll admit, I'll probably have to do more reading. However I do this that Shaggy and Tal's claims are pretty solid.

Agreed with most of it. Mr. Universe, as far as I know, would be the 1st character from Serenity and not from Firefly, so that automatically makes me suspicious. Shaggy's claim is more than solid and I would like to test it, but considering the situation, it's probably not the smartest thing to do.

From memory 'The Operative' is also only in the movie and he was a character as well.

Since we only have one person who claimed River and River was mentioned in a scene; I believe the claim. The only thing I am slightly worried about is that River's allignment may have changed due to Simon's dieing (a.k.a. go crazy). I would say odds are that River is town, could you explain your kill on night 2 at all?

From night 2:

The man had slipped away into the dark of the ship down towards the engine room knowing none would follow him with the commotion going on above. He had a small ship latched to the underside of the Serenity and had a small hatch he could make his escape from. He would always be able to come back another night if his cover wasn't compromised.

He never made it. River was waiting for him hidden just above his exit. As he passed underneath her she dropped from the ceiling, and with a quick twist of her hands she broke his neck, he never saw her coming.

Well, apparently, yes you are right and this does say that Mr. Universe wouldn't be the 1st character from Serenity, so it does give a bit more validity to his claim, but I'm still very doubtful. While River did indeed kill a person here and while she indeed is ambiguous, I would be inclined to trust her.

1. Commander: Claimed a third party survivor. Even if this is true then he's not nesecarilly going to help us. He'll be trying to help whatever side has the best chance to win.

2. Strike: Seems awfully convienent the people you chose have died. If you are telling the truth you should have been a little more daring... you would have had to assume that saf was going to get targetted last night and you really should have picked someone else. I find it hard to believe, but I will re-read looking at the DoomYoshi point you brought up.

3. Illiad: Role fits the flavour well. Has anyone targeted Illiad? It's a risky fake-claim by scum because it could easily be de-bunked by someone saying they've targeted you. I'm inclined to believe it's true.

4. Fircoal: Solid claim, would like to hear night actions and we probably should have done this before the mass-claim in case it is a fake-claim. Although he's the least suspicious on my list I still find it hard to believe that scum wasn't given a crew-member of Serenity to fake-claim.

I'm willing to help either side. If town wants to vote anyone, I will help. I'm really most inclined just to survive right now and having already put in some effort to help town through my analysis, I would gladly help some more. Also, if you don't believe my role, I can gladly invite you to investigate/roleblock me.

Both SK's and Illy's claim seem very doubtable, but Fircoal's looks pretty solid. I can imagine Edocsil giving such a fake claim, but it would be a stretch to go with that, especially since it's LyLo. Inadvisable.

I think your comments on me commander are a bit hypocritical. You suggest that today I have started out quickly to direct the town where I want the day to go. What have I done thatg has tried to direct the town more than you or shaggy? All three of us have posted a hypothetical list of whom we see where which I think is the right move at this point in the game. So how am I trying to direct the town any more than you or shaggy are? As far as being aggressive how was I not playing aggressively as mal? I aggressively attacked fircoal for his play day 1, I was hesitant at first but I felt I was fairly aggrssive when I did decide to defend nark. I was aggressive against you day 2 and I was pretty assertive about doomyoshi as well. I've stuck my neck out as both of the characters I played in this game. I also don't see how I could be over aggressive and also not implicate myself on the doomyoshi wagon which honestly I feel I did implicate myself on. I was the one who claimed to know doomyoshi's character name before he said it and vouched for believing it wasn't trustworthy. I think that warrants me being put under a magnifying glass for his lynch. fos commander

I also don't really understand the iliad argument. Most of it is wifom and the rest is about him submarining. Iliad is not usually very active regardless so the only significant argument would be the wifom portion and I fail to see how that makes him more suspicious than talapus whom appears to have associated with a now known scum.

I only followed your suit - since 2 people have already provided their input, I thought I might as well. Besides, I would say that my analysis is a bit different to yours, which does make a difference. Having looked back, yes you have been aggressive, I'll give you that. I'm not completely sure why, but I just got the feeling after your 2nd coming that you've been playing a bit oddly.

Well, he's usually a bit more active than here and while a bit of is WIFOM, I already pointed out myself, so you are repeating what I've said. Way to go.

[Fircoal]

Fir; can you provide reports of who you blocked on each night?

Night 1: Anarkistsdream
Night 2: No Block
Night 3: No Block

[Fircoal]

So...no one has anything to say?

Now that you are replacing Streaker, do you understand why he was on my townie list? It doesn't seem like you do, considering you are voting for me. This is very suspicious behaviour. Nark has also claimed, which brings mafia to about 1/3 to 1/2 of all remaining people. Not terrible odds.

This is the evidence that shows I contacted doomyoshi night one. He seems well aware of an issue that points to me being town and the reason seeming to do with my own role. Since he was town bomb that further supports I was the one who contacted him.

That quote sounds legitimate to me. Knowing that Doom was the town-bomb that definitely sounds like a way for you to back up your claim later. The only way I can see it not being legit is if you are a scum role that can mason with people at night, but I struggle to think of any character other than Mr. Universe that could do this and I would be more inclined to believe he is town.

In any case, the blue hands wouldn't have that power (IMO) and they're the only confirmed scummy character we have out there. Which leaves us down to 2 likely suspects:

Illiad

With 9 out of 16 players having visiting roles (assuming bus-drivers count as a visiting role) it sounds fairly unlikely a PGO would survive up until day 4. Though not impossible I guess. Going to have a re-read just to see if there's any mention of anyone targetting you throughout the game.

PGO's actually don't often find it that hard to survive, more rather the rest of the town finds it hard to survive. That personally adds doubt to his claim. Does anyone know if AD said anything about who he tracked?

[strike wolf]

Nark said he was blocked n1 and investigated tails n2. Saf visited no one n1, sound busdriven with mal n2 and vio n3. Tal as well hasn't visited iliad nor have I. So there really isn't any evidence to doubt the claim from night actions.

Considering contextual evidence fir and tal's claim are all but beyond doubting and shaggy has provided a strong clazim supported by tal's investigation. I think through proving that doomyoshi did know something about my role I have proven myself trustworthy.

So the way I see it. It is either lylo and both commander and iliad are scum or it isn't lylo and one or the other is scum.

Fir why did you choose not to block anyone n2 and n3?

[ShaggyDan]

So the way I see it. It is either lylo and both commander and iliad are scum or it isn't lylo and one or the other is scum.

I will agree this is looking like the most likely scenario. Though I am not discounting the idea of Strike or Fir being scum still (much more likely Strike over Fir).

The fact we have a roleblocker and a cop still alive puts us at a pretty big advantage. We can potentially roleblock the scum-kill and get another investigation.

My proposed plan:

1. Lynch Illiad.

2. Strike talks to me tonight to prove he is town.

3. Talapus investigates Fir (to be sure of allignment).

4. Fircoal blocks randomly between Commander and Strike (as Strike said he couldn't be roleblocked, correct?).

Tomorrow I would know whether Strike was lieing or not. Tal would know whether Fircoal was lieing or not. 50/50 of stopping the scum kill.

The only way this plan doesn't work is if the scum team is Fir/Strike or Fir/Commander or Strike/Commander. I think Fir is telling the truth (as there is definitely a role-blocker from Jayne being blocked, I doubt it would be scum). So that leaves the only way this wouldn't work as a scumteam of Strike/Commander and even then we still have a 50/50 chance of Fir stopping the kill.

Possible Day 5 scenarios

1. ShaggyDan dies. Fircoal and Tal are cleared. Fir knows the person he didn't block sent the kill.

2. Fircoal dies. I'll know whether strike was telling the truth or not. Tal and I will still be clear and we'll know if Strike or Commander

3. Talapus dies. I'll know whether strike was telling the truth or not. So we either have Strike as guilty or two of us clear. Leaving us to choose between Commander and Fircoal.

4. No-one dies. Basically auto-win for us then.

This plan is very solid assuming we believe Fircoal. If Fircoal is a scum-roleblocker we're screwed with this plan (but I don't believe that). Also another spanner in the works is if Strike is a scum-universal mason. But I find that hard to believe as well.

Thoughts?

[Iliad]

We're at very probably LYLO and you're proposing to lynch me at the blink of an eye.

Strike's claim as I've already said does not make sense. It does not fit the flavour, of a reclusive geek who had to be found after perseverance and who then broadcast a message to EVERYONE, to be a universal mason. Not only that everyone seems to be completely missing the fact that he's the only one who's claimed a character from Serenity. The only other character who didn't appear in the series is the Operative, but then again we didn't see many of the Alliance members and thus mafia did need a character, unlike town for which there are still plenty of characters.Add in to the fact that hsi actions have conveniently meant no-one can verify it it screams at a fakeclaim.

The only thing proposed agaisnt me is that it's unlikely that a PGO would survive until day 4. Really? It's unlikely that I wasn't targeted when every day there were multiple roles exposed.

Options Currently:
If two mafia members:
Strike/ Commander
Strike/Tal -Unlikely unless Tal has a fakeclaim
Strike/Fir-Also fairly unlikely, unless scum have fakeclaims

[strike wolf]

To be perfectly blunt iliad, it doesn't sound like you know enough about the show/movie to actually make the call that the flavour of my character doesn't fit. It wasn't like they were flying across the universe searching out my character. They already knew how to contact him if need be and he had the ability to broadcast to ANYONE in Everyone capable of receiving a radio signal. The flavour fits perfectly and none of you still doubting my role have provided even a single alternative theory to why doomyoshi may have known anything about me that wasn't in the thread as the quote I mentioned heavily suggested. Now looking things over it does not appear anyone visited you and after careful consideration your name claim may be weak but your alleged role is too fragile to make a good fake claim so I will say your claim is a bit stronger than I originally gave it credit for. Your defense itself however seems to have a bit of desperation to it. As far as who I chose to visit, I wouldn't have chosen doomyoshi night 1 (I probably would have picked talapus wash as he struck me as the most town day 1 and I couldn't have predicted him to have been targeted like that) or mal night 2 (this night I would have definitely chosen safari as he would have beeen more trustworthy than anyone else but less likely to have been aimed at than Mal). As far as night 3, I simply just didn't trust anyone enough other than zoe to have them know who I was. I trusted fircoal more than most but already gave a reason I didn't contact him.

As for shaggy's suggestion, I don't like it. I don't like being buckled down to one specific person to talk to and then have them wind up dead in the morning in an attempt to prove my intentions. I also don't suggest we bog down the cop by telling him who he should visit especially on a role that has been cleared more than most. I don't mind fircoal blocking me but I would rather be able to choose freely which of you I talk to at night.

[ShaggyDan]

As for shaggy's suggestion, I don't like it. I don't like being buckled down to one specific person to talk to and then have them wind up dead in the morning in an attempt to prove my intentions. I also don't suggest we bog down the cop by telling him who he should visit especially on a role that has been cleared more than most. I don't mind fircoal blocking me but I would rather be able to choose freely which of you I talk to at night.

But if you chose me and I died then your allignment would be confirmed through Fir's role-blocking. If I die and he role-blocked you then you are clear.

If we have all the actions planned out in advance we will know who is lieing tomorrow.

[ShaggyDan]

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[strike wolf]

I get your logic shaggy and I'm willing to target you I just don't think it's a good idea or necessary for both me and tal to televise where we visit. If we do follow through on your plan I urge fircoal to block commander as I see a potential dilemma, if only minor, based on the nature of the show where if scum sucessfully use their "kill" on River, they win.

[Talapus]

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First off, mad props for taking the time to think that out so clearly. However after looking ot over and reading the options I feel it leaves town at too much of a disadvantage. It relies on too many players with alignments we are unsure of to tell the truth or to do what they say they are going to. Quite honestly, we need a scum kill tonight in order to really stand a chance. Odds are supremely good I will not be living through the night so without at least one down before night starts we have a problem.

I think it's likely tonight I die which means it will be too hard to figure out with enough certainty tomorrow who the remaining scum is(Yes, odds are supremely good there are two left) My main concern at this stage is that Fircoal may possibly be third party. As a third party could fit with that character claim very well. That means that with 3 groups and all tied member wise, whatever happens tonight and in the dayscene could completely end this game. I'm not going to doubt Fircoal's character claim as she was a fairly persistent role in the show, however I doubt the alignment of town or at the very least it staying a town role up to the end game scenario. Also the fact that commander thinks Fircoal is 100% town at this stage well before he even claimed makes it seem like com9 may very well know Firc is not town faction but in fact 3rd party. Not certain on this, but it is definitely possible.

Out of all the roles claimed the two people I trust the least at this stage are strike and iliad. Strike because of the way he played and the choices he made for suppossed night actions. As I stated before I think his playstyle has been a bit off in this game. But at this stage, I will buy it if we can agree iliad is scum. Out of the two of them, iliad is the one person at this point in time I think the least likely to be town. He claims PGO and yes, possible he's made it this far as a PGO without being targeted. HOWEVER, throughout the show he had an on again off again wannabe relationship with Inara(Suppossedly Fircoal). At the very least I find it highly suspicious with the setup of this game and the detail that has gone into the scenes that NOTHING to fact has been mentioned. Fircoal has mentioned no communications with him and iliad mentioned nothing about Fircoal. I think that very suspicious considering the amount a time Ath persued Inara in the show. At the very least, they should be mason partners or something. And out of the two of them I'd buy Fircoal's claim over illy's just based on Fircoal claiming the last main character of the show before everyone else claimed.

Yes, I still think stikes claim is convenient but with all the main characters gone this role would make a lot of sense in this game and could work really well. Plus, it's a pretty easy claim to prove once stated so I see no benefit for him to make this up as it's still early enough he could screw himself over. Com9's claim as third party I can buy just out of flavor of the game itself although it's not a given. But with all the traveling the ship did you'd have to assume at least one or two survivors/third parties in my opinion.

So ya, a lot of rambling and thoughts I know. But if I had to take a stab at who hangs right now, I would vote for iliad. And although stirke has concerns about laying out who we target for the night I think he makes a good point. We plan it out exactly and scum know exactly who to stop. However I think it most likely I'm the target for the kill tonight as I can verify the last scum should I investigate them so not really sure it matters too much. But open to what others think about this.

Also Com9 can you please explain why you think fir is 100% town at this stage? Not saying he isn't, but I don't see an issue with him being third party survivor either.

[Commander9]

I'll leave some thoughts tonight.

[ShaggyDan]

I'm tempted to choose between Commander and Illiad. Fircoal's role seems legit to me and Strike has a chance to prove his role tonight. Out of the two I'm leading towards Illiad, Badger as a third party survivor makes sense IMO and would balance out a 16 player game quite well (3 or 4 scum, 1 serial killer, 1 survivor, 9 or 10 town). Plus the claim of paranoid gun owner makes it a very difficult role to prove going into the night. I'm not really convinced though.

And although I did lay out exactly who we would target tonight I also laid out scum's only options (unless they also have some kind of power / role, which I guess is very possible). In any case I still think Strike should target me because if Tal dies then I'll know about Strike's role. If I die then Tal still gets an investigation.

[Talapus]

I can agree with this and go along with it. At this point I'm willing to vote illy however no one else has and I'm not sure if thats because they don't agree or if they just aren't here to throw in their two cents.

[edocsil]

If I may be so bold as to suggest some voting, there has been a bit of a pause in the gameplay and I don't want the game to slow down at all.

[strike wolf]

Vote iliadFircoal is pretty much beyond doubting. Nark professed to being role blocked to which fir is the only claimed role with that potential. Safari said that tal switched nark and vio which would mean the intended role block target was mafia and I can't think of a reason why mafia would attempt to block one of their own. Adding now that in n2 and n3 neither mal or zoe appear to have been blocked. If there had been a mafia role blocker it does seem a bit strange that the mafia didn't attempt to block either one. Tal has role claimed a role we know to be in the game so he is just as cleaeed as fir and has subsequently cleared shaggy. So that leaves me, commander and iliad with questionable roles. I would like to note that while my role is small, Mr. Universe was pivotal in the movie. Without his equipment, they would not have been able to complete their task. Commander has come up with a somewhat believable third party claim but iliad has come up with a one time villian as his role claim. The role is smaller than mine and to be honest his defense seems a bit desperate (he even wifomed how the mod might have set up the game to show how I might be lying).
vote iliad

[Iliad]

Strike has come up with a claim that does not fit his flavour and more importantly it is the ONLY character to not appear in the show, hence fakeclaim, even without all the convenient now irrelevant actions made by strike.

Shaggy: your plan consists on many ifs, the major one is that you depend that given a mislynch today, town will even get to to next day, which is very improbable.

My character, with the exception of a doctor, s one the best roles that town could have by this point. Mafia cannot shoot me, and that is quite useful.

Regardless my lynch is meaningless and will only hurt town. There isn't a case against me except my unproven nature yet, but others strike particularly as I've tried to show are much more likely to be scum.