Judgement Day- Game Over, MAFIA WIN!!!

[Selin]

Would I really be that stupid mandy?

If I was scum why would I risk myself when almost everyone is guaranteed I am town, just to split the votes?

Would you be how stupid? No, you accused me, obviously because you either want to lynch me or you want to split votes and score a No Lynch. I just told you why it's not going to work (well, there is also the way that Jnd counts the votes ).

Seriously guys, I think that we should lynch either AD or SL. I suggest that we leave Firth alone for now on an of chance that he is a Jester (Martyr?) or something. Also, if the bad guys are recruiting, perhaps Firth is just a recruited pawn. If this is so, then his willingness to sacrifice himself might indicate that either SL or AD is a prime catch.

You continue to skim jnd's post lifting the time limit.

Honestly said, firth did the best thing for this game. For the first time I have a clear idea who to vote. If we lynch you, either we will find one scum at the end of day 2, or we will lynch a scum for sure tomorrow, highly probable followed by another one the day after.

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[Selin]

or you want to split votes and score a No Lynch.

Ehm.. no. As has already been pointed out to you by somebody else, there is currently no deadline and therefore no split votes scenario.

That "somebody else" is me

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[mandalorian2298]

Would I really be that stupid mandy?

If I was scum why would I risk myself when almost everyone is guaranteed I am town, just to split the votes?

Would you be how stupid? No, you accused me, obviously because you either want to lynch me or you want to split votes and score a No Lynch. I just told you why it's not going to work (well, there is also the way that Jnd counts the votes ).

Seriously guys, I think that we should lynch either AD or SL. I suggest that we leave Firth alone for now on an of chance that he is a Jester (Martyr?) or something. Also, if the bad guys are recruiting, perhaps Firth is just a recruited pawn. If this is so, then his willingness to sacrifice himself might indicate that either SL or AD is a prime catch.

You continue to skim jnd's post lifting the time limit.

Honestly said, firth did the best thing for this game. For the first time I have a clear idea who to vote. If we lynch you, either we will find one scum at the end of day 2, or we will lynch a scum for sure tomorrow, highly probable followed by another one the day after.

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Or, we could lynch Firth for the same effect.

Jnd lifted the deadline? Yay!

In that case, I would like to hear more about this Mandy fellow. UNVOTE

So, let us recap the cases against me:

Firth: Had an epiphany, dispite the fact that his pitifull investigative attempts encoutered a shield (Thanks again God, I hope that I will prove to be an profitable investment ).

Selin: Made a long post. He seems unconcerned by the contradiction between Firth's first claim that his investigation failed and his second claim that he can only say that I am scum (which is a very strange post restriction, which I would expect in Fircoal's game ).

Also, he believes that it would be logical to first lynch the player who claimed pro-Town and then, when I prove to be innocent, he intends to start drawing conclusions.

[Koesen]

That "somebody else" is me

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*cowers*

[Selin]

Would I really be that stupid mandy?

If I was scum why would I risk myself when almost everyone is guaranteed I am town, just to split the votes?

Would you be how stupid? No, you accused me, obviously because you either want to lynch me or you want to split votes and score a No Lynch. I just told you why it's not going to work (well, there is also the way that Jnd counts the votes ).

Seriously guys, I think that we should lynch either AD or SL. I suggest that we leave Firth alone for now on an of chance that he is a Jester (Martyr?) or something. Also, if the bad guys are recruiting, perhaps Firth is just a recruited pawn. If this is so, then his willingness to sacrifice himself might indicate that either SL or AD is a prime catch.

You continue to skim jnd's post lifting the time limit.

Honestly said, firth did the best thing for this game. For the first time I have a clear idea who to vote. If we lynch you, either we will find one scum at the end of day 2, or we will lynch a scum for sure tomorrow, highly probable followed by another one the day after.

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Or, we could lynch Firth for the same effect.

Jnd lifted the deadline? Yay!

In that case, I would like to hear more about this Mandy fellow. UNVOTE

So, let us recap the cases against me:

Firth: Had an epiphany, dispite the fact that his pitifull investigative attempts encoutered a shield (Thanks again God, I hope that I will prove to be an profitable investment ).

Selin: Made a long post. He seems unconcerned by the contradiction between Firth's first claim that his investigation failed and his second claim that he can only say that I am scum (which is a very strange post restriction, which I would expect in Fircoal's game ).

Also, he believes that it would be logical to first lynch the player who claimed pro-Town and then, when I prove to be innocent, he intends to start drawing conclusions.

Yes , I am unconcerned about firth's posts. He clearly stated his investigation about you had no result. I'm almost sure that he got some extra knowledge about you later, although I don't know how. That point he doesn't want to elaborate. This maybe a post restriction or maybe he can't give more information about that in order not to reveal someone else's identity (think about that!). As we know that he is a cop, at the first step I believe in him, not in you. In addition to that, I listed my arguments in my post why I don't believe that firth could be recruited by satan.

Do you really believe that a cop, if recruited by satan, would have made such an unexpected direct accusation after waiting more than 1 week on day 2 to split votes on AD? That would have been suicide for him and AD on the next day. Sorry, but this doesn't make sense to me at all, so I believe in firth.

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[Koesen]

Or, we could lynch Firth for the same effect.

As I said before, I think lynching either you or Firth is the way to go today.

Jnd lifted the deadline? Yay!

Like you didn't know.

So, let us recap the cases against me:

The case against you is that a cop whose sanity can hardly be questioned and who so far has been helpful to town (lynching a cult leader on Day One makes a big difference), threw a very clear accusation your way.

Granted, he may have been recruited recently, which is why there is some room for doubt.

Nonetheless, we know a lot more with certainty about Firth than we do about you. In Firth's case, it can't be denied that whatever he is today, he was not mafia on Day One. In your case, no such certainty exists.

Either way, with his investigation record and his very clear accusation of you, one of you two has to be scum.

I don't believe letting this matter rest will help us at all. Why would scum help out town by killing one of two suspicious players when they can hope that both are lynched? If I were scum, I would kill either of you tonight.

What other clarification can come? A night cop? If there is one, which seems quite possible, should he be forced to reveal himself now that the doc is dead?

There is no way that's going to help out town.

I repeat that in my opinion we need to either lynch you or Firth today. Personally, I am leaning towards you

[Koesen]

If I were scum, I would kill either of you tonight.

EBWOP: If I were scum, I would not kill either of you.

[jnd94]

VOTE COUNT

1-AD (ga7,freezie)
3-Sierra_Leon (F1fth,Neutrino,AD)
1-Skoffin (Skoffin)
2-Mandy (Firth,Selin)

With 18, it takes 10 to lynch!


Sorry about the somewhat sparse vote counts, I will try to do a daily pne, becuase you guys are starting to post lots and lots.

[gimpyThewonder]

have we considered that Mandy is part of the Cult whose leader was taken out on day 1? could possibly explain how he knew others...

[Sierra_Leon]

Mandy's been skimming on the deadline-issue, but that doesn't necessarily make him scum. He's still on top of my suspect-list though. Mandy, could you comment on a question I asked you earlier? It's this question I'm still waiting to be answered:

5. As I have said, I acted Neutral (not scummy) during the time when I had no better plan.

I'll admit that Fircoal seems to have infected me with his "MANDY IS SCUM" propaganda somewhat, because I've gotten a scum vibe from you in both other games I played with you so far. In tonka's psychiatry game I turned out to be right, in Dawn of War I turned out to be wrong. I won't judge you on basis of a hunch in this game. What I said was scummy behaviour is you voting for firth and freezie after a god's message. How is that acting neutral?

At this point I have more faith in Firth than in Mandy. It should be noted though that Firth pointing out the cult leader does not mean he's pro-town. Scum would just as much like to get rid of a cult as town would. I'll repeat that for now, my bet is still on Firth telling the truth.

have we considered that Mandy is part of the Cult whose leader was taken out on day 1? could possibly explain how he knew others...

I've never seen a game where the cult starts with more members than just the cult leader.

[Koesen]

have we considered that Mandy is part of the Cult whose leader was taken out on day 1? could possibly explain how he knew others...

I've never seen a game where the cult starts with more members than just the cult leader.

Cult may be able to recruit during the day, though. I've seen that before.

I'm not saying that's the case here, but it certainly exists.

[Fircoal]

Vote: Mandy Did someone say we're voting Mandy?

[jnd94]

Red, dumbshit

[Fircoal]

Vote: Mandy Did someone say we're voting Mandy?

EBWOP and Jnd sucks

[F1fth]

Are we forgetting the fact that there are gods in this game?? I doubt that the only reason they were put into this game was to fling undecipherable commandments at us.

What I highly suspect to have happened is that Firth was contacted by one of these gods personally, which would explain why Firth cannot say HOW he got his information. No one could slap a post restriction on him like that except the mod, or mod-sanctioned activities.

I have reason to believe that if he was contacted, it was by Satan.

[Koesen]

What reason is that?

[Neutrino]

Are we forgetting the fact that there are gods in this game?? I doubt that the only reason they were put into this game was to fling undecipherable commandments at us.

What I highly suspect to have happened is that Firth was contacted by one of these gods personally, which would explain why Firth cannot say HOW he got his information. No one could slap a post restriction on him like that except the mod, or mod-sanctioned activities.

I have reason to believe that if he was contacted, it was by Satan.

Really, I think this is the best explanation for Firth's sudden investigation. It could be like in Athlanka where the gods can purchase abilities. It's possible one of these is to alter an investigation to show what you want.
Of course, this is all conjecture, but it's the best explanation I can think of off the top of my head to explain Firth's strange behaveour.

[Syzygy]

But from what I see, Mandy supposedly got in touch in some way with the other pony hunters. He might be confusing people, but I'm sure he's helping a ton this group right now. Suppose that scum noticed that, and want to know the other guys all at once: easy, they'd reveal themselves if Mandy is in danger. It might be far fetched, but less than Mandy pulling this huge a stunt, added to that a bluff about other people knowing him... Nah, at this point there's too much in favor of the existence of the pony hunters. Mandy does crazy things ok, but I can't see how he would gain an advantage as scum doing that right now. And if he's really BSing us, well that'd be the first time I don't see it
Anyway, bottom line I might have bought Firth's result if he did it at the beginning of the day, now I really doubt it.

QFT. I agree with you.

Quite frankly, I'm very convinced SL is scum for pushing the weak case against Mandy so firmly.

I voted him earlier, but just realized I forgot the red.

Unvote, Vote: Sierra_Leon

[nagerous]

I am strongly of the opinion that firth has been compromised and has been recruited by the satanic faction.


unvote vote firth

[kwanton]

Right now I'm between voting for firth, SL, and AD.

Any one of these lynches would please kwan (and catch scum as a secondary positive).

I still believe mandy. Hehe maybe all these mafia games are getting to me and making me as crazy as he is.

[Koesen]

As I said before, I think the only sensible choice is between Firth and Mandy.

Mandy gets a ton of credit for always being a wacko, which is why he usually gets very far when he is scum. He is allowed to survive stuff that everybody else gets lynched for. Saying he's always out to lunch doesn't prove his innocence.

As for Firth, I think he knows the gods are hugely unreliable. I doubt he would be this adamant about Mandy if the only thing he had to go on was a divine suggestion.

[Sierra_Leon]

Quite frankly, I'm very convinced SL is scum for pushing the weak case against Mandy so firmly.

I never said Mandy is definately scum. What I said was that I found his claim of there being horse hunters - with limited investigations which they can use to find one specific person - hard to believe.

[nagerous]

Koesen out of interest didn't you claim a neutral role at one point? Your beginning to sound like you've been compromised as well. Mandy's already given us a very viable role claim, I don't think we need much more. The only thing bugging me is his insistence in the AD lynch. I've been getting pro-town vibes from Nark and trust his role claim so I can't understand why Mandy is pressing but I guess thats just how Mandy is. Hes accused me in 3 games and led crusades against me until I roleclaimed (in 2 of them I was Harry Potter lol) and in all three he too was pro-town. This is just the way he is I guess. Firth, you claim Mandy is scum but you can't say why, sounds awfully suspect and anyone who jumps on the Mandy bandwagon is now top of my FOS list. Other people like Kwan who has produced sensible logic can now be trusted more I believe.

[nagerous]

Selin I was calling myself a hypocrite because I hadn't posted in a while as I've been very busy and called spin in an inactive noob for not posting either. I do plan on contributing a lot more now I've almost caught up and will help a ton more once we come to the end of this day and in the next day phase considering I will still be alive .

[Koesen]

I haven't been compromised. I have been investigated and I claimed and I think I'm one of the few people today who haven't got any votes on them

I guess I see what you mean, though. Perhaps it's not an entirely valid argument, but I've recently been on the receiving end of several of Mandy's theories and he really went way over the top to try to convince people to lynch me, even though in each case I was town. You will remember that he even went so far as to fake a counterclaim.

I increasingly see Mandy as someone who either hopelessly confuses town (when he is town himself) or succesfully deceives it (when he's not). And having had him go after me in several games, I find that increasingly annoying, even when he's targetting other people.

Yes, he may be right this time. But I just don't buy it anymore. If you read back, you will recall that my first reaction to his story was a positive one. I actually thought he was offering something of substance for a chance. And then he started throwing out theories based on assumptions rooted in guesses, and he lost me.

Now we have two people who have been quite active in this game in a head on collision, and I really don't see how both of them can be town. I find it weird that many people are willing to just let this simmer for a few more days.

For the tenth time, I think either Firth or Mandy is scum. I'm willing to try both, but for reasons explained here and above, I personally am inclined to take Firth's word over Mandy's.