[OFFICIAL] Lion King Mafia - Town Scarred as Mafia Wins!

[mandalorian2298]

Okay, you got me. Scar, the real villain of the movie, was not put on the mafia team and the actual mafia team of three hyenas were underpowered by making one of them a jester that wanted to get himself killed and Ga7 showed much restraint by not punching Nag in the face for making a game with such an unbalanced mafia team.
To get Mandy off my back and back to actually looking for the mafia team, sure I'll claim; I'm Nala

Not terribly surprised that Hotshot makes a sudden appearance right after some heat is thrown his way and by chance he happens to throw his vote towards someone who suspects him and who he could easily get away with voting for. Where have you been?

While I accept that this might lead me (Simba) to the life of bitter bachelorhood, since Nala would in no way explain the Day 1 PR, I must operate under the assumption that one of your recruits is actually Nala.

Given how Nala is the hot babe of the movie, it would make sense that she be made Roleblocker, which fits nicely in with the theory that one of your recruits has blocked me.

If you WERE Nala the Roleblocker, then you would have no reason on God's green and verdant Earth to roleblock me since:

a) if you thought that I was Mafia, wielding the power of the NK - then it would have made no sense to fear that I would target you since Mafia is(are) the only (non-Cult) players who KNOW, from the start, whether Scar is Mafia or not.
So, if I was Mafia, leading the Town on a wild goose chase, why would I have my team waste a NK on the said wild goose? The only things that I would have accomplished would have been 1) destroying the distraction that I crafted 2) in a way that would have lost me credibility.

b) if you thought that I was a Townie with a theory, then the worst that I could have done to you would have been to investigate and thus clear you; since we only had 1 kill Nights so far, which pretty much rules out a Vig (and definitely rules out trigger happy Mandy Vig )

Goodbye, Uncle Skoffin.

[mandalorian2298]

Now we wait for Fircoal to finally show up and say that he just doesn't see it.

@Fircoal, while you are dismissing me, I would be real interested to hear why YOU think that Roleblocking Skoffin would block me last Night.

[ga7]

Vote Count :

Skoffin (4) Mandy, Mitch, Hotshot, Skittles
Mitch (1) Masket

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch!

[Minister Masket]

I'm posting this from an Omaha hotel lobby so apologies for not having the time to make a more elaborate post, but I completely disagree with a Skoff lynch, and I won't be hammering her.

Just saw she claimed Nala and I believe her, especially if no-one else counter-claims. She's been posting from a similar place as myself role-wise pretty much since Day 1, and it's gonna be a huge mistake if she's lynched now.

What role would Nala have? I'm thinking Doc, and if we lose that now, town is in real trouble.

Do we really want to risk that when mitch could possibly still be scum? Or if he is town and thus another VT?

[mandalorian2298]

I'm posting this from an Omaha hotel lobby so apologies for not having the time to make a more elaborate post, but I completely disagree with a Skoff lynch, and I won't be hammering her.

Just saw she claimed Nala and I believe her, especially if no-one else counter-claims. She's been posting from a similar place as myself role-wise pretty much since Day 1, and it's gonna be a huge mistake if she's lynched now.

What role would Nala have? I'm thinking Doc, and if we lose that now, town is in real trouble.

Do we really want to risk that when mitch could possibly still be scum? Or if he is town and thus another VT?

I think it's much more likely that Sarabi is the Doc. Don't you think it's more likely that Sarabi is the Doc?

[Fircoal]

2) Since, as I previously stated, we are at LYLO and all the Cult needs to speedlynch me for the win is to convince one Townie or Shenzi to vote me, I'll claim right now:

I AM SIMBA!

Your ruler, king and saviour.

So no, Pika, Skoffin being Simba isn't a viable explanation for her PR. Skoffin being Scar is.

In summation: Unvote me, vote Skoffin.

Or, by all means, continue wasting time just so that you don't have to admit that Cult got an extra recruitment Night because of your insistence on ignoring the the obvious.

But you could vote on Day 1? Did you hear anything about not being able to vote in your role PM? OTherwise I feel like this is baseless and coming from nowhere.

So, myself included, we have 3 confirmed with 6 unconfirmed.
A water buffalo, a ostrich and Simba.

Who I expect to still be alive.
Town
Nala
Timon
Pumbaa
Sarabi

Scum
Scar
Shenzi

I can't see Gopher being present in this as both the Watcher and Tracker roles have been filled. Cop possibly, but I think of the 4 listed currently, or even Simba, would have this role.

I find this to be very interesting. Add to it that Skoffin has now claimed Nala and we're very soon going to get to a point where we might be able to figure out who is lying just by names, or at least have a better idea of what's going on here. The only thing is I feel like there has to be some fake claim for the scum to fall into or else name claiming would let finding the scum be trivial, so I do wonder if all of these characters are actually in the game.

In saying this, I think it's almost a safe bet to have people roleclaim so we can try and get the last scum. I'm still not 100% sold on the idea of cult, but in a game like this with a set storyline behind it, there aren't many more names that can be thrown out.

On the mass roleclaim idea (which I too advocated at one point): I don't think that it's right move for Day 4. As I said, someone role-blocked me this Night. If it turns out that am wrong about Skoffin, then it was most probably a Townie Roleblocker who suspected me. If, however, I am right, then it's almost certainly a Cult-recruited Roleblocker, who could hinder Town more efficiently if he knows whom to block. I'm especially worried about the Cop' and the Doc' claims being exploited.

I disagree completely. The massclaim made no sense that early but now it might make some sense. Massclaims are better for the town the more that the days go on, there's more to go on, and there's more of a chance to figure out what is what. At this point the power roles should have some information, and it's better to share that information rather than to let it die with the user as they die. Depending on the information it could be great to let it out.

b) Why I don't think that DDS is Mafia?: I don't think that Dakky was really a Day Vig. I think that 'The Hunt' even during Day 1 worked in a similar fashion as 'The Hunt' in my NJO Mafia: Dakky got to pick either three players, killing all among them who are members of Hyena Mafia; or he got to pick one and was possibly rewarded with extra kills for each pick.
The reason why I think that 'Pick Three' was more likely is because 1) hitting a hyena out of three tries is amazing but hitting it out of one try would have been absolutely incredible; 2) We discussed earlier "Why was Ragian targeted?" It is a lot easier to explain if he was 1 out of the 3 targets (the other two being Sam and DDS, since three of them were togather in defense of No Lynch); 3) If there was a mechanism in place to, if not ensure, then at least make it more likely that Mufasa croakes early in the game, it would make sense that he had been compensated by being a little OPed during his short time in the game, and 3 chances to hit a hyena is IMO more fair compensation the just one.
Anyhow, if this wild specualtion is true (and I am nowhere near certain that it is) then DDS is IMO most likely to have been chosen by Dakky for The Hunt, but survived because he is not a hyena.

I don't think that checked out though. If Dakky had a power like that, why wouldn't he just tell us who the other 2 he picked were? That'd give us so much information that it'd be stupid broken. That ability would be equal to 3 cop investigations but done at the start of the game, and the scum get cleared out! That'd be BROKEN. So no I'm not buying that he had that. Nor am I buying his kill was scripted. I think that's just how it all played out.

Now we wait for Fircoal to finally show up and say that he just doesn't see it.

@Fircoal, while you are dismissing me, I would be real interested to hear why YOU think that Roleblocking Skoffin would block me last Night.

Because you're advocating for her lynch? I mean it doesn't take that much to put 2 and 2 together. If she's a town roleblocker and she thinks you're spreading lies to get her lynched it makes sense for her to roleblock you.

Your argument already assumes that she's scum and thusly it makes no sense.

I also think Skoffin should fully claim before anyone tries to lynch her. I'm against lynching her but regardless information is good so any information she can tell us is important and necessary.

[mandalorian2298]

OK so we need one more vote from one of the following players:

Skoff: Not going to vote for herself

Pika: Defended Skoffin all the way, to the point of accidentally on purpose forgetting to unvote me after I claimed Simba. If Skoff is Cult then he is Cult too.

Chu: Absolutely refuses to agree with me on anything in this game. It's cute.

Masket: Missed the Kwan wagon (Scum) followed me (his words) on Sam wagon (Town) and now I have lost his love.

DDS: Most likely among the five to be both rational and pro-Town. Thus the one I'm going to court. Here goes:

Dear DDS,

I know that you don't hold my judgement in very hard regard right about now, in no small part because you think that I'm more interested in imposing my will on the game then I am in Town winning. This is not true. The reason why I am arrogant and forceful is that those are the traits that people are most likely to respond to and the way in which they respond is an expression of both their personality AND their motivation. Up to a point, my goal is to act as a catalyst, to shake things up and to create, to a degree, chaos; because, to quote the movie "Chaos": "Chaos has some order to it."

I am claiming that everything has gone according to my designs. There have been mistakes and there have been misses. However, it is my belief that we are currently in possession of enough info to successfully conclude this game.

So, here is my proposition: If you agree to seriously reconsider hammering Skoffin, if necessary to reread my argument against her (which I would be more then happy to present again); I will agree to do two things:

1) After you have signaled your agreement I am going to post my analysis of all the remaining players, as you have previously suggested, which I have so far been refusing to do because it risks splitting votes in this crucial stage.

2) After the hammer has dropped, provided that I manage to faspost Nag, I am going to list all my Night Actions to this point (this part of the offer stands even if someone else hammers, just please add that to the hammering post and I promise to heed your wish).

What say you?

[mandalorian2298]

OK so we need one more vote from one of the following players:

Skoff: Not going to vote for herself

Pika: Defended Skoffin all the way, to the point of accidentally on purpose forgetting to unvote me after I claimed Simba. If Skoff is Cult then he is Cult too.

Chu: Absolutely refuses to agree with me on anything in this game. It's cute.

Masket: Missed the Kwan wagon (Scum) followed me (his words) on Sam wagon (Town) and now I have lost his love.

DDS: Most likely among the five to be both rational and pro-Town. Thus the one I'm going to court. Here goes:

Dear DDS,

I know that you don't hold my judgement in very hard regard right about now, in no small part because you think that I'm more interested in imposing my will on the game then I am in Town winning. This is not true. The reason why I am arrogant and forceful is that those are the traits that people are most likely to respond to and the way in which they respond is an expression of both their personality AND their motivation. Up to a point, my goal is to act as a catalyst, to shake things up and to create, to a degree, chaos; because, to quote the movie "Chaos": "Chaos has some order to it."

I am NOT claiming that everything has gone according to my designs. There have been mistakes and there have been misses. However, it is my belief that we are currently in possession of enough info to successfully conclude this game.

So, here is my proposition: If you agree to seriously reconsider hammering Skoffin, if necessary to reread my argument against her (which I would be more then happy to present again); I will agree to do two things:

1) After you have signaled your agreement I am going to post my analysis of all the remaining players, as you have previously suggested, which I have so far been refusing to do because it risks splitting votes in this crucial stage.

2) After the hammer has dropped, provided that I manage to faspost Nag, I am going to list all my Night Actions to this point (this part of the offer stands even if someone else hammers, just please add that to the hammering post and I promise to heed your wish).

What say you?

EBWOP since my ego edited the original post

[mandalorian2298]

Cool I have 9% battery left so I can answer Fircoal:

1) My being Simba disproves Pika's hypothesis that Skoff's PR could be explained by her being Simba.

2) Mass roleclaim is going to he CULT to win. That would be the counter-Mass Claim mechanism as well as the reason why Nag added Cult to the game.

3) Dakky didn't claim he's Mufasa on Day 1 because he is improving his game and he obviously didn't expect to be NKed on Night 1. Also notice that his role was (King) not (Day Vig).

4) Skoffin roleblocked me to "stop me from spreading lies about her"? Thanks for playing along, it was as amusing as I expected.

[Fircoal]

Cool I have 9% battery left so I can answer Fircoal:

1) My being Simba disproves Pika's hypothesis that Skoff's PR could be explained by her being Simba.

2) Mass roleclaim is going to he CULT to win. That would be the counter-Mass Claim mechanism as well as the reason why Nag added Cult to the game.

3) Dakky didn't claim he's Mufasa on Day 1 because he is improving his game and he obviously didn't expect to be NKed on Night 1. Also notice that his role was (King) not (Day Vig).

4) Skoffin roleblocked me to "stop me from spreading lies about her"? Thanks for playing along, it was as amusing as I expected.

1)I don't believe that Skoffin has a PR.

2) How? I'm not sure how claiming is going to help cult.

3) That'd be such bad playing I refuse to believe anyone would be that dumb. If you get the chance to clear 2 town members that early I see no reason not to take it. Even if it outs the player there should still be a doc around. And regardless using that power multiple times would be even more broken so I don't think it could ever happen.

4) I'm not even sure what you're getting at. If Skoffin thinks you're scum why wouldn't she block you? That should be obvious.

[madmitch]

Town I have no powers except my vote so if getting rid of me will help town then do it.

[mandalorian2298]

Cool I have 9% battery left so I can answer Fircoal:

1) My being Simba disproves Pika's hypothesis that Skoff's PR could be explained by her being Simba.

2) Mass roleclaim is going to he CULT to win. That would be the counter-Mass Claim mechanism as well as the reason why Nag added Cult to the game.

3) Dakky didn't claim he's Mufasa on Day 1 because he is improving his game and he obviously didn't expect to be NKed on Night 1. Also notice that his role was (King) not (Day Vig).

4) Skoffin roleblocked me to "stop me from spreading lies about her"? Thanks for playing along, it was as amusing as I expected.

1)I don't believe that Skoffin has a PR.

2) How? I'm not sure how claiming is going to help cult.

3) That'd be such bad playing I refuse to believe anyone would be that dumb. If you get the chance to clear 2 town members that early I see no reason not to take it. Even if it outs the player there should still be a doc around. And regardless using that power multiple times would be even more broken so I don't think it could ever happen.

4) I'm not even sure what you're getting at. If Skoffin thinks you're scum why wouldn't she block you? That should be obvious.

1) Oddly enough, the discussion between Pika and myself didn't center on your belifs

2) Exposses the last Hyena, he gets lynched, 4/4 = Cult wins. Unless, you think that Culties are going to be considered enough to claim their roles with the prefix "Cult-recruited"

3) By your logic then, Masons should begin every match by claiming.
And put on their "Sweet, young&recruitable" T-shirts on while they are at it. You know, if their "Please NK me" T-shirts are being washed or something.

I could swear I remember the time when you at least had some idea how Mafia SHOULD be played.

4) DO. YOU. KNOW. WHAT. ROLEBLOCK. DOES?

Hint: The fox repellent spray from Zootopia? Not the same thing.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Wow, that's a lot to chew from the get go. I'll try and tackle everything.

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Half hearted attempt at baiting out a claim. That's easily explained and seen if I'm thinking like Mandy atm.

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At this stage, it'd be incredibly hard to fake a claim without it being countered. There's two VT's left, myself included. We have Mitch, and although I find him suspect, he's still at the bottom of my list of "threatening". If he is scum, he's a pawn. Anyone else that claims a VT at this point is likely Scar/Shenzi. So far the theme has been following the first Lion King movie. If someone were to claim from a sequel, it's almost 99.99% a fake claim as well and we could lynch that. Of that I'm certain.

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Well, we already lost a tracker and a watcher. We have a cop left, and why they haven't revealed at this point to prevent this "LYLO" situation, I'll never know, unless Mandy/Simba is actually the cop, which makes sense given the bargain/post.

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Sounds like an overpowered vet or a Marshall ability. If he had that ability, it would make sense for him to die Day 1 given just how utterly broken that whole theory sounds.

Otherwise, it makes 0 sense for him to tell us since his ability because...Well he died night 1. Would you really reveal to scum "LOL! Hi guys! I shot Ragian!"?

I doubt Dakky had the ability to do it. If anything, he was a vig with a 1 shot day kill ability. King honestly doesn't specify what his ability exactly did, but since there's only been one kill a night, I have to assume he was a vig.

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Hold on, what? You roleblock someone who appears scummy to you, not block them out of a grudge, it's just poor play to do it. Even if you think someone is a misguided ass but is actively scum hunting, you don't just role block them on the basis that they tried to get you lynched. Even then, Skoffin hasn't revealed her role, so I'm not going to assume that she actually did.

I too want that information, however.

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It'd make sense for her to be a bodyguard. Protective mother, willing to take a bullet for her cub, that sort of mindset. Could be wrong. Goes either way. Timon or Pumbaa could be doc in a sense of "nursing back to health" found Simba in the desert and showed him their way of life. It'd be tough to really say who's role is who's.

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Pika's a she? My bad. Oops.

Looking like this whole fucking game is becoming one giant grudge. Granted, I'm not a fan of Mandy either at this point because of his inability to budge on his stances, but lol.

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You could apply that to me as well, but for different reasoning. I suspect Masket, but it's not as high as Hotshot.

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I have to decline. Here's why.
b]We[/b] definitely don't have enough info to go off of. We have a theory, a theory that you kept pushing after Sam flipped town. If you're a cop, then just reveal it, the actions with it, and then I'll hammer it home. It makes absolutely no sense for me to place 100% faith alone given the record that you previously stated has been wrong before, which I feel like at this point, is wrong again. If you investigated Skoffin and she flipped scum/cult, then wasting our time withholding that info isn't helping. I get that you want to be the town hero or the MVP for this game, but please, for the sake of argument here and to prove me wrong, just reveal so we can move onto Day 5 and more than likely win this game. I suspect 2 of the 4 people on that vote wagon currently is Scar and Shenzi if I'm right. I'll go into my 2nd reason with the post afterwards.

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[mandalorian2298]

OK.

@Hotshot Are you Pumba or Timon?

[Fircoal]

Cool I have 9% battery left so I can answer Fircoal:

1) My being Simba disproves Pika's hypothesis that Skoff's PR could be explained by her being Simba.

2) Mass roleclaim is going to he CULT to win. That would be the counter-Mass Claim mechanism as well as the reason why Nag added Cult to the game.

3) Dakky didn't claim he's Mufasa on Day 1 because he is improving his game and he obviously didn't expect to be NKed on Night 1. Also notice that his role was (King) not (Day Vig).

4) Skoffin roleblocked me to "stop me from spreading lies about her"? Thanks for playing along, it was as amusing as I expected.

1)I don't believe that Skoffin has a PR.

2) How? I'm not sure how claiming is going to help cult.

3) That'd be such bad playing I refuse to believe anyone would be that dumb. If you get the chance to clear 2 town members that early I see no reason not to take it. Even if it outs the player there should still be a doc around. And regardless using that power multiple times would be even more broken so I don't think it could ever happen.

4) I'm not even sure what you're getting at. If Skoffin thinks you're scum why wouldn't she block you? That should be obvious.

1) Oddly enough, the discussion between Pika and myself didn't center on your belifs

2) Exposses the last Hyena, he gets lynched, 4/4 = Cult wins. Unless, you think that Culties are going to be considered enough to claim their roles with the prefix "Cult-recruited"

3) By your logic then, Masons should begin every match by claiming.
And put on their "Sweet, young&recruitable" T-shirts on while they are at it. You know, if their "Please NK me" T-shirts are being washed or something.

I could swear I remember the time when you at least had some idea how Mafia SHOULD be played.

4) DO. YOU. KNOW. WHAT. ROLEBLOCK. DOES?

Hint: The fox repellent spray from Zootopia? Not the same thing.

1) But my vote does centers on my beliefs. If you have no evidence to point at Skoffin having a PR I see no reason to vote her. Here's the thing if you have some information in your PM that the reason of us don't have that tells you that it's likely she has a PR I'm willing to listen. Otherwise you're throwing up baseless muck.

2) I see your point now. I still feel like the likelihood of there being a cult is much less likely though. Espeically since we haven't seen any dead cult members yet. So while to me, I still like the idea, I can see if you're dead set on it being 1-4-4, that it'd be a weird play.

3) That's the difference between one member and more members that are being revealed. Although I'm not actually sure if masons claiming early is a terrible idea. Actually the more I think about it, the better it seems. Get the heat off the power roles while also providing some information about who is town. I'll take that! Masons aren't that worthwhile in the grand scheme of things. So using them for NK bait isn't actually a terrible idea.

4. Are you sure you know what a roleblocker does because you're talking as if you have no idea how the role works.

[Fircoal]

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Hold on, what? You roleblock someone who appears scummy to you, not block them out of a grudge, it's just poor play to do it. Even if you think someone is a misguided ass but is actively scum hunting, you don't just role block them on the basis that they tried to get you lynched. Even then, Skoffin hasn't revealed her role, so I'm not going to assume that she actually did.

But that's what I'm trying to get at. If Skoffin were to block Mandy it would be because she thought he was scum, whichs to be doesn't seem that unlikely of an idea. Although Skoffin needs to speak for herself I'd say. We don't even know if she's a roleblocker, Mandy is just taking us along for a wild ride.

[mandalorian2298]

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1) Oddly enough, the discussion between Pika and myself didn't center on your belifs

2) Exposses the last Hyena, he gets lynched, 4/4 = Cult wins. Unless, you think that Culties are going to be considered enough to claim their roles with the prefix "Cult-recruited"

3) By your logic then, Masons should begin every match by claiming.
And put on their "Sweet, young&recruitable" T-shirts on while they are at it. You know, if their "Please NK me" T-shirts are being washed or something.

I could swear I remember the time when you at least had some idea how Mafia SHOULD be played.

4) DO. YOU. KNOW. WHAT. ROLEBLOCK. DOES?

Hint: The fox repellent spray from Zootopia? Not the same thing.

1) But my vote does centers on my beliefs. If you have no evidence to point at Skoffin having a PR I see no reason to vote her. Here's the thing if you have some information in your PM that the reason of us don't have that tells you that it's likely she has a PR I'm willing to listen. Otherwise you're throwing up baseless muck.

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4. Are you sure you know what a roleblocker does because you're talking as if you have no idea how the role works.

1) I was adressing one, specific hypothesis made by Pika, which was that IF Skoff had a PR, that PR could be explained by her being Simba. (which she couldn't be since I'm him). That was the extent of that particular thought.

4) I already explained why, if Skoff thought me to be scum, it would still make no sense to think that I would target her:

Claims Nala

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Given how Nala is the hot babe of the movie, it would make sense that she be made Roleblocker, which fits nicely in with the theory that one of your recruits has blocked me.

If you WERE Nala the Roleblocker, then you would have no reason on God's green and verdant Earth to roleblock me since:

a) if you thought that I was Mafia, wielding the power of the NK - then it would have made no sense to fear that I would target you since Mafia is(are) the only (non-Cult) players who KNOW, from the start, whether Scar is Mafia or not.
So, if I was Mafia, leading the Town on a wild goose chase, why would I have my team waste a NK on the said wild goose? The only things that I would have accomplished would have been 1) destroying the distraction that I crafted 2) in a way that would have lost me credibility.

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[Skittles!]

unvote to stop a hammering. Will say more when I finish work

[HotShot53]

Okay, you got me. Scar, the real villain of the movie, was not put on the mafia team and the actual mafia team of three hyenas were underpowered by making one of them a jester that wanted to get himself killed and Ga7 showed much restraint by not punching Nag in the face for making a game with such an unbalanced mafia team.
To get Mandy off my back and back to actually looking for the mafia team, sure I'll claim; I'm Nala

Not terribly surprised that Hotshot makes a sudden appearance right after some heat is thrown his way and by chance he happens to throw his vote towards someone who suspects him and who he could easily get away with voting for. Where have you been?

A name claim is not a full claim... and when you are at L-1 a full claim is what is called for. Most of the time I've seen a partial claim it's been by a scum trying to remove heat from themselves without saying enough to get themselves in trouble with a full claim.

The reason why a day 1 mass claim doesn't work is usually because scum has enough fake claims (at least fake name claims) to hide among town, and it doesn't help town while it does help scum know who to target. I don't know if the mass claim now would be any different really, other than all (or at least almost all) the VT's claimed way too early, helping out scum know who to target way too much.

Nala could be a fake claim, so because I seriously mistrust partial claims my vote will stay.

[HotShot53]

P.S. I still think most of mandy's theories about cult are crazy, but skoffin seems to be the most likely to be scum to me.

[Fircoal]

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1) Oddly enough, the discussion between Pika and myself didn't center on your belifs

2) Exposses the last Hyena, he gets lynched, 4/4 = Cult wins. Unless, you think that Culties are going to be considered enough to claim their roles with the prefix "Cult-recruited"

3) By your logic then, Masons should begin every match by claiming.
And put on their "Sweet, young&recruitable" T-shirts on while they are at it. You know, if their "Please NK me" T-shirts are being washed or something.

I could swear I remember the time when you at least had some idea how Mafia SHOULD be played.

4) DO. YOU. KNOW. WHAT. ROLEBLOCK. DOES?

Hint: The fox repellent spray from Zootopia? Not the same thing.

1) But my vote does centers on my beliefs. If you have no evidence to point at Skoffin having a PR I see no reason to vote her. Here's the thing if you have some information in your PM that the reason of us don't have that tells you that it's likely she has a PR I'm willing to listen. Otherwise you're throwing up baseless muck.

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4. Are you sure you know what a roleblocker does because you're talking as if you have no idea how the role works.

1) I was adressing one, specific hypothesis made by Pika, which was that IF Skoff had a PR, that PR could be explained by her being Simba. (which she couldn't be since I'm him). That was the extent of that particular thought.

4) I already explained why, if Skoff thought me to be scum, it would still make no sense to think that I would target her:

Claims Nala

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Given how Nala is the hot babe of the movie, it would make sense that she be made Roleblocker, which fits nicely in with the theory that one of your recruits has blocked me.

If you WERE Nala the Roleblocker, then you would have no reason on God's green and verdant Earth to roleblock me since:

a) if you thought that I was Mafia, wielding the power of the NK - then it would have made no sense to fear that I would target you since Mafia is(are) the only (non-Cult) players who KNOW, from the start, whether Scar is Mafia or not.
So, if I was Mafia, leading the Town on a wild goose chase, why would I have my team waste a NK on the said wild goose? The only things that I would have accomplished would have been 1) destroying the distraction that I crafted 2) in a way that would have lost me credibility.

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But she still wouldn't want ANYONE to die. Just because she's not going to be targeted doesn't mean she'd want others to be targeted for a NK.

[Skoffin]

So Mandy has decided to double-down on his theory instead of accepting he is wrong

Relax, I'm not a roleblocker and even if I had been I would not have picked Mandy. If our roleblocker is town-sided then it would be good of them to claim and put that particular nonsense to rest.
However I doubt they are townsided, as typically it's more common for a roleblocker to be a scum role and a townsided one could have claimed by now to prevent a bandwagon. Mandy, why did you assume roleblocker would be a town role? And why Nala? Are you saying she's a hooker? rood
I don't have a PR and I'm not going to go over that bollocks again. No amount of "I just happened to not vote" is going to convince you that I didn't vote for some other outlandish reason.

I don't particularly deem it necessary to fullclaim, but if some people state "Welp I'm going to vote for you if you don't" then sure I will.

Okay, you got me. Scar, the real villain of the movie, was not put on the mafia team and the actual mafia team of three hyenas were underpowered by making one of them a jester that wanted to get himself killed and Ga7 showed much restraint by not punching Nag in the face for making a game with such an unbalanced mafia team.
To get Mandy off my back and back to actually looking for the mafia team, sure I'll claim; I'm Nala

Not terribly surprised that Hotshot makes a sudden appearance right after some heat is thrown his way and by chance he happens to throw his vote towards someone who suspects him and who he could easily get away with voting for. Where have you been?

A name claim is not a full claim... and when you are at L-1 a full claim is what is called for. Most of the time I've seen a partial claim it's been by a scum trying to remove heat from themselves without saying enough to get themselves in trouble with a full claim.

Nala could be a fake claim, so because I seriously mistrust partial claims my vote will stay.

I've had 'just a name' being demanded from me for days now and you deem it odd that I would give just a name now? The only reason you would have to suspect me for giving just the character name is if you believe I am borrowing a claim from someone else (like Mandy claims) or that you believe scum have fake claims. For the record could you state which reason you happen to believe; yes i know you implied it in that post with "well it could be fake" but I'd prefer a concrete stance now so you can't change your argument later.

Now here's the rundown of your play so far this game:

* You made a decent post early on, which I commented on and put you in the town category for.
* you then accuse me of possibly being scum and buddying to you
* You then promptly disappear from the game, ending your contributions and resuming your typical scum play
* You now reappear to vote me, the easiest lynch at this point despite the terrible basis for it, after you started to get some flak for your disappearing act. You try to distance from joining Mandy's reasons, but give flimsy reasoning of your own to initially justify it.
* Despite initially having a weak argument for the vote, you now stick to it despite me being Nala.

I think your timing was a bit too convenient, and your reasons for suspecting me were just made up on the fly to justify voting me without outright siding with Mandy.
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[HotShot53]

I've had 'just a name' being demanded from me for days now and you deem it odd that I would give just a name now? The only reason you would have to suspect me for giving just the character name is if you believe I am borrowing a claim from someone else (like Mandy claims) or that you believe scum have fake claims. For the record could you state which reason you happen to believe; yes i know you implied it in that post with "well it could be fake" but I'd prefer a concrete stance now so you can't change your argument later.

Now here's the rundown of your play so far this game:

* You made a decent post early on, which I commented on and put you in the town category for.
* you then accuse me of possibly being scum and buddying to you
* You then promptly disappear from the game, ending your contributions and resuming your typical scum play
* You now reappear to vote me, the easiest lynch at this point despite the terrible basis for it, after you started to get some flak for your disappearing act. You try to distance from joining Mandy's reasons, but give flimsy reasoning of your own to initially justify it.
* Despite initially having a weak argument for the vote, you now stick to it despite me being Nala.

I think your timing was a bit too convenient, and your reasons for suspecting me were just made up on the fly to justify voting me without outright siding with Mandy.
Vote hotshot

The "just a name" was mandy's demand, but that was before you had significant votes on you. I believe scum were given fake claims... any themed game like this they should be given them or it's too easy for town (see the civilization mafia where scum had no fake claims to start and basically had no chance because of that).

One main difference between us... I helped lead the lynch on kwan while you opposed it. I have been quieter after that because I didn't really like the lynches, but didn't really have any good leads anywhere else either, so I didn't really have anything important to post about very often.

Other than you or me... who else should I vote for? I don't see anyone else as more likely scum than you. And your OMGUS easy vote on me doesn't change my mind any lol.

[mandalorian2298]

unvote to stop a hammering. Will say more when I finish work

"...When 'Pequod' didn't find any whales the first week out, Skittles realized that it might be some time before the ship makes port. Undeterred, he continued to write his post between shifts and his analysis grew more and more complex. Before long he felt like he knew all the players better then they knew themselves and he begun to see rythms and patterns in their posts to the point where each new post felt predetermined by the previous once to the point that he felt like he knew where the author would go even before he would endevour to start his reading.

And yet, the white whale remained a mystery."

[Skoffin]

Just a name was what was demanded of me, and I followed that. Now as I said, if those who currently do not have votes on me state that they require a full claim to not vote for me, then I certainly will do so. However I'm not going to pander to a ridiculous bandwagon unless it's strictly necessary. Not when one player is trying to live a ridiculous fantasy of 'catching scum over the tiniest slither of circumstantial evidence' to create an outlandish theory to show how boss he totally is at scumhunting, and another player disappears for half the game only to reappear at a crucial time to give more weak reasoning to nail one of the main characters of the damn film.

"One main difference between us.." I certainly would not say that you lead any lynch on Kwan, but do point out where you did so if that is the case. There is more to leading a lynch on someone then putting a vote.
Meanwhile I opposed the lynch against DJ, so what of it?

Well there has to be at least two scum, so if you think I'm the likely candidate who do you theorise is my partner eh? "Omgus vote lol!" doesn't exactly apply when I was making accusations against you just before you reappeared to vote me lol.

Anyway it's been a whole day since anyone has said anything yo.