[Official]Adventure time mafia:MAFIA WIN!

[Whatsausage]

vote soldier this is because he came in as replacement great but he casts a vote without giving any sort of hindsight as to why he voted where he did its almsot saying imm doing it simply just because i can. that or your bandwagoning (voting along because its the popular choice person)

ps soldier if you want people to vote along with you then you have to give them something to go off other then just a vote

So you are voting soldier for doing the very thing you admitted to doing Day 1? "I felt the consensus was on Dakky" So either you think bandwagoning is scummy, or you don't. Which is it?

Soldier you do need to give justification for a vote for several reasons. 1. So you can try to get others to vote alongside you. 2. So that others can know your reasoning to evaluate you. 3. Just plain more info is good for town

We can also count this as another check in the wing-Tim ship box, as Tim changes his vote off wing shortly after ragian votes for wing.
So am I understanding this correctly rage? From your last few posts, you think wing is scum, and if he does turn scum, then it reflects poorly on soldier and tim? Can I ask what would you think of those two if wing flips town?

[Whatsausage]

Also, Pixar, all of your posts today have been about your claim. You were foolish to claim like that, but you should be giving as many reads as possible today before you are likely night killed. At the very least, address the cases made and take a stand.
Do you think Tim, wing, pt or someone else is the scummiest?

[Endgame422]

Official Vote Count
Wing(2)ptlowe,ragian
Ptlowe(2)Wing,Soldier4Christ
Soldier4Christ(1)Timwoodbury
Timwoodbury(1)Whatsausage
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch Deadline will be Monday the 16th

[TimWoodbury]

vote soldier this is because he came in as replacement great but he casts a vote without giving any sort of hindsight as to why he voted where he did its almsot saying imm doing it simply just because i can. that or your bandwagoning (voting along because its the popular choice person)

ps soldier if you want people to vote along with you then you have to give them something to go off other then just a vote

So you are voting soldier for doing the very thing you admitted to doing Day 1? "I felt the consensus was on Dakky" So either you think bandwagoning is scummy, or you don't. Which is it?

Soldier you do need to give justification for a vote for several reasons. 1. So you can try to get others to vote alongside you. 2. So that others can know your reasoning to evaluate you. 3. Just plain more info is good for town

We can also count this as another check in the wing-Tim ship box, as Tim changes his vote off wing shortly after ragian votes for wing.
So am I understanding this correctly rage? From your last few posts, you think wing is scum, and if he does turn scum, then it reflects poorly on soldier and tim? Can I ask what would you think of those two if wing flips town?

there is differance WE WAS RUNNING OUT OF TIME SO YES I VOTED DAKKY here we have PLENTY of time.... and no i dont think bandwagoning is always skummy but voting and not giving any explanation and then having a attitude about it when asked why yah thats skummy

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Ragian In response. I have summarised as yours is a long post, if you disagree with my summarising then let me know.

-Streaker said to beware of Wing. I agree that everyone should constantly assess whether I am mafia or town. I am not confirmed town and nobody should be assuming I am. I object to his reasoning as it suggests that I am not looking for two mafia players, when I believe there to be two mafia players.

-My vote switch. I feel I have explained my switch elsewhere, but to deal with the specific questions

1) If you think someone is scum, you vote for them. You don't switch to a townie in order to get "more information".
2) The only information from lynching streaker is "the idea" that "Sausage or Pixar" are parthners. THE IDEA! Vague shit.
3) If streaker was in fact guilty of his scumtell "all game", why the heck would you just bring it up now?
4) You can't state that Tim is playing poorly and then say that the dakky lynch was uninformative since Tim defended dakky D1 (which is poor play). So it's either or.

1) I think you may have arrived at a similar situation to I was in D2 judging by your latest posts. But I was struggling to seperate everyone out. My case on Tim was very basic and nobody really argued it. It just didnt sit right with me. My post below was a genuine feeling. I didnt vote Streaker believing him to be town, I voted him believing him to be mafia.

I have a strongly held belief that you're all mafia and that End has made this game to torture me.

2) We gather more information from Streaker flipping town, than Tim flipping town. And I think this has been shown to be true in hindsight. Agreed that if Tim is mafia I made a mistake and I accept that as my fault.

3) I dont tend to tell Streaker that I have suspicions about his play as he will adapt and appear to be town again. He is very careful about how he posts. Unless I have a full case against him I am unlikely to say much about his play. Check the game, you wont find me saying he is town either.

4) Tim didnt outright defend Dakky, and we cant prove that he did. We cannot determine his reasoning for voting mitch rather than Dakky at that point of the game. If you go down that route alone you will find that multiple players have given incorrect reads in hindsight, unless you believe that we should lynch everyone who said that Streaker was mafia?

But wing was also of the conviction that it would not give us any information. So why push the case? And he unvote very few posts after I put Tim at L-1. I think he got spooked and had to act. Why push a case the entire day and then abandon it? I don't buy it.

I am very glad that you are posting properly. However, yesterday it was just Tim, TWR, Streaker and I. If you can hold onto your convictions with minimal feedback from over 50% of the players in the game, then you are a better player than I. TWR was clearly tunneled on me and Streaker for reasons I didnt agree with, so his contribution was unhelpful to me, though understandable. That left just Tim and Streaker having any real contribution. I'm sorry but I struggled with that.

I wanted Tim lynched yesterday for the simple reasons that he:
1) Defended our only known scum D1 without any real reasons (to me anyway).
2) Went for our soft claimed cop D2.

How much have you seen Tim play? Him going after a soft claimed cop in no way surprises me.

I hope that helps. Now Rage where were you D2? This sort of contribution would have been so helpful, especially for the player most believed to be town.

@Tim. I have another question for Tim. What are your reads on all the players in the game? I ask because you are jumping about sporadically, I'd be surprised if there was more than 2 mafia so you need to be reading some players as town.

@Sausage. Do you genuinely believe that a scum partnership of myself and Tim is possible? I can see the logic with Soldier4dead, as I did put in a lot of work to stop us lynching his predecessor cyaneeter, so there is mutual defence there. But Tim? Really? How did you get to that conclusion?

[Ragian]

So am I understanding this correctly rage? From your last few posts, you think wing is scum, and if he does turn scum, then it reflects poorly on soldier and tim? Can I ask what would you think of those two if wing flips town?

To be honest, it depends on soldier's next move for him, but I feel that Tim looks like scum in my view no matter what happens. It's a good questions yours. I can't see Wing's play as pro-town, I just can't. He has responded, however. I'll read that.

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@Wing, I was at a music festival (i.e. off my arse). When I got home, work had piled up like a muthafucka. That was unfortunate. I even had to cancel my participation in another game

Now, I've read your reply once, but I need to digest it...

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

I'm going to Prague tomorrow to see a mate. So if possible I'd prefer it if you could respond tonight. Dont worry if not I wont be completely AWOL.

[Ragian]

@Wing,

1) This doesn't sit right with me. I don't think I believe you. Especially, that thing about "everyone is scum" sounds mady-uppy.
2) What have we learned from streaker flipping town? Is Tim scum, then?
3) This is not an argument. I can only see what is posted. That you never said he was town doesn't prove anything to me.
4) This is irrelevant.
5) If you were left with Tim and streaker as the only contributers, why the [swearword] did you choose to lynch streaker if you want sound participation?

This is my response. I think it all comes down to me not believing you.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

@Wing,

1) This doesn't sit right with me. I don't think I believe you. Especially, that thing about "everyone is scum" sounds mady-uppy.
2) What have we learned from streaker flipping town? Is Tim scum, then?
3) This is not an argument. I can only see what is posted. That you never said he was town doesn't prove anything to me.
4) This is irrelevant.
5) If you were left with Tim and streaker as the only contributers, why the [swearword] did you choose to lynch streaker if you want sound participation?

This is my response. I think it all comes down to me not believing you.

1 & 3 are my opinion, so fair enough if you dont believe me. You're entitled to your own view.

2 - We have learned that Streaker and I are not a scum pair, and now Doublevoter, The White Rose, has stopped tunneling. We have learnt that Streakers read on PT wasnt subtle distancing of his scum partner (They were both sort of omgus'ing each other, but not obviously). We also know that his read of you being town, sits alongside Mitchs, White Rose's and my own read of you. I admit that out of those players I trust Streakers read of you far more than anyone including my own.

I personally believe the scum pair is PT and Tim.

4 - Agreed, didnt understand why you posted the question.

5 - Because I dont agree with killing inactives, so an active player had to be lynched.

So its fine that you dont believe me. Who do you believe to be the scum pair?

[the white rose]

hmm, this is getting difficult.

yesterday it is true that i was wanting to lynch wing....so what has changed.

I cannot see tim as scum if wing is.....so lets just assume that i was right yesterday and wing is indeed scum.....would mean that tim is town, and after my post saying if we cannot agree i will switch from streaker to tim, not that i believe tim to be scum, but when he flips town i would be proved right.....now if wing is scum, he will have known that tim and streaker are both town and knowing that i was about to lynch tim why would he suddenly switch and lynch streaker? because if tim was lynched and flipped town the finger would be on wing for sure. Or did wing change his opinion? he was on tim mainly cos he thought i was scum, and therefore mitch's investigation of me was misguided, suggesting that there was a bus driver, and he claimed tim was the bus driver based on my support of him. Is it possible that wing's attack on tim was a red herring, could tim be wing's scum buddy? and i was being played for a fool, yes its possible.

And then there is pixar, no reason for him to claim, and he had no information for us. he claims to have watched tim thinking he was tracking him, no-one visited him, which is hardly surprising. So why claim? especially after in his own words he f***ed up. If he is scum then why would he do that? presumably to stop himself from being lynched, but he was under no pressure of being lynched, anc could have, should have stayed quiet.....problem with pixar is i can see no reason for his claim whether he is scum or town, just seems a stupid move.

pt lowe is still my number one pick i think, due to his complete lack of help in working this enigma out, but then who is his buddy? wing perhaps? or cena, or at least his replacement....i still remember he refused to claim when at l-1, in fact his only post seemed to be 'why'

my top picks then, wing, ptlowe and cena's replacement (sorry have to look back and see who that is)

[Ragian]

2) Killing off streaker to learn that you're not scum is hardly something that would make it through even the most lenient of cost-benefit analyses. Moreover, as far as I recall, Rose tunnelled on you - and then was forced to switch to streaker (whom he thought was your scumbuddy) when votes on you didn't materialise. The thing about ptlowe is the same about you. We learned that he wasn't scum and you guys might well be. One of you could be. Both of you could be. Streaker's read of me doesn't gain credit by him dying. He might still be wrong. Also, as you mention, several people already believe that I'm town. Streaker's death wasn't needed. I have been viewed as town ever since I called BS on dakky D1.

4) Because he defended dakky via his vote. That's how I read it. Stop arguing by saying "conclude". We'd have to ask him post game. Your response was irrelevant and mine wasn't a question

5) May I then infer that all scum has to do to avoid you is to stay inactive?

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Now, before I hand out lists of whom I think might be dirty, I want others to participate.

FP'ed by Rose.

[the white rose]

edit: meant of course cyan, who i have now checked been replaced by soldier.

I would like to see a claim from soldier

[the white rose]

ok, i have made a decision

vote soldier

his predecessor cyan was totally unhelpful, with just why me comments, no reads, no nothing, no help. ignored the fact that he was on l-1.....ok, maybe that was his style, but now we have soldier replacing him, and what has he done, posted that he has read 26 pages and voted ptlowe, no explanation, no reads, no nothing, can't believe he is a cyan clone.

I had the chance to lynch him yesterday, but did not cos i was thought streaker and wing were more likely scum. not letting wing off the hook, but i am becoming more and more convinced that soldier is scum.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

ok we have tim on 4 and streaker on 4,

seems we have to lynch one of these, i would rather lynch tim than an inactive, cos if i am right and he flips town, streaker and wing become the obvious targets for tomorrow, we do need to make up our minds though and if neither of them can be lynched then we will just have to go with an inactive.

Actually White Rose, you were quite clear that if Tim flipped town then BOTH myself and Streaker would be obvious targets. You and Tim repeated this for the entirety of D2. Now if I am mafia then I knew that Streaker was town. I'd fancy my chances of getting Streaker lynched rather than myself under those circumstances.

Who would you lynch, the guy who got taken to L-1 D2 or me?

@Ragian - So what your saying on point 4 is that I was confused and struggled with conviction? I'm not arguing.

5 - Correct, until there is no better option I would rather lynch an active player than an inactive. I detest players who are inactive as they ruin the game, but I have to trust that the mod will manage this. In this game End has replaced players multiple times to mitigate it, and I thank him for this.

For my part I think scum is Pt and Tim, with a possibility of Hotshot.

[Ragian]

I don't like this post either.

hmm, this is getting difficult.

yesterday it is true that i was wanting to lynch wing....so what has changed. I.e. something has changed.

I cannot see tim as scum if wing is.....so lets just assume that i was right yesterday and wing is indeed scum.....would mean that tim is town, and after my post saying if we cannot agree i will switch from streaker to tim, not that i believe tim to be scum, but when he flips town i would be proved right.....now if wing is scum, he will have known that tim and streaker are both town and knowing that i was about to lynch tim why would he suddenly switch and lynch streaker? because if tim was lynched and flipped town the finger would be on wing for sure. And me and streaker and everyone else believing he was scum Or did wing change his opinion? he was on tim mainly cos he thought i was scum, and therefore mitch's investigation of me was misguided, suggesting that there was a bus driver, and he claimed tim was the bus driver based on my support of him. Is it possible that wing's attack on tim was a red herring, could tim be wing's scum buddy? and i was being played for a fool, yes its possible.

And then there is pixar, no reason for him to claim, and he had no information for us. he claims to have watched tim thinking he was tracking him, no-one visited him, which is hardly surprising. So why claim? especially after in his own words he f***ed up. If he is scum then why would he do that? presumably to stop himself from being lynched, but he was under no pressure of being lynched, anc could have, should have stayed quiet.....problem with pixar is i can see no reason for his claim whether he is scum or town, just seems a stupid move. basically irrelevant to whatever you conclusion is.

pt lowe is still my number one pick i think, due to his complete lack of help in working this enigma out, but then who is his buddy? wing perhaps? or cena, or at least his replacement....i still remember he refused to claim when at l-1, in fact his only post seemed to be 'why' difficult to charge his replacement with that

my top picks then, wing, ptlowe and cena's replacement (sorry have to look back and see who that is) so nothing has changed? You still suspect wing.

Three suspects, no vote.

edit: meant of course cyan, who i have now checked been replaced by soldier.

I would like to see a claim from soldier

Sorry, four suspects.

Do you want a claim from Wing, then?

LOL. That was quick. I cannot follow your thought process; Cyan didn't play, his replacement has combed through 26 pages and not summed up everything, hence he's scum. You're ignoring Wing even if you say that you're not letting him off the hook.

FP'ed by Wing.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

White Rose, your doublevote is very powerful now, keep an eye on the game pls. I believe you do, just wanted to check.

[Ragian]

ok we have tim on 4 and streaker on 4,

seems we have to lynch one of these, i would rather lynch tim than an inactive, cos if i am right and he flips town, streaker and wing become the obvious targets for tomorrow, we do need to make up our minds though and if neither of them can be lynched then we will just have to go with an inactive.

Actually White Rose, you were quite clear that if Tim flipped town then BOTH myself and Streaker would be obvious targets. You and Tim repeated this for the entirety of D2. Now if I am mafia then I knew that Streaker was town. I'd fancy my chances of getting Streaker lynched rather than myself under those circumstances.

Who would you lynch, the guy who got taken to L-1 D2 or me?

@Ragian - So what your saying on point 4 is that I was confused and struggled with conviction? I'm not arguing.

5 - Correct, until there is no better option I would rather lynch an active player than an inactive. I detest players who are inactive as they ruin the game, but I have to trust that the mod will manage this. In this game End has replaced players multiple times to mitigate it, and I thank him for this.

For my part I think scum is Pt and Tim, with a possibility of Hotshot.

@Wing, just that I felt you contradicted yourself. Perhaps it wasn't as important as I wanted it to be at the time. 4) that is. On 5) I disagree. Not about silent players ruining the game, but about lynching the inactive over a strong asset. Especially, if you haven't voiced concern over his townyness (even if you claim that you wouldn't lest he'd change his game.)

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On a separate note, I forgot to say that I was FP'ed by Rose just before I LOLed.

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And now I was FP'ed by Wing.

[the white rose]

I don't like this post either.

pt lowe is still my number one pick i think, due to his complete lack of help in working this enigma out, but then who is his buddy? wing perhaps? or cena, or at least his replacement....i still remember he refused to claim when at l-1, in fact his only post seemed to be 'why' difficult to charge his replacement with thatno its not, its the same role, are you suggesting that we should just ignore everything that replaced players have said?

my top picks then, wing, ptlowe and cena's replacement (sorry have to look back and see who that is) so nothing has changed? You still suspect wing.

yes

Three suspects, no vote. have to be careful with my double vote, however, voted now

edit: meant of course cyan, who i have now checked been replaced by soldier.

I would like to see a claim from soldier

Sorry, four suspects.no, 3, cyan and soldier are the same

Do you want a claim from Wing, then?

LOL. That was quick. I cannot follow your thought process; Cyan didn't play, his replacement has combed through 26 pages and not summed up everything, hence he's scum. You're ignoring Wing even if you say that you're not letting him off the hook.

unfortunately i have only been given 1 double vote, had i got 3 seperate ones i would have voted for wing too, but out of my 3 suspects i can only vote for one of them

[Soldier4Christ]

UNVOTE PTLOWE Nice post Ragian, I'm clearly a townie gents, that should be clear.

[TimWoodbury]

okay so my currrent reads since it wa asked above
town-TWR,Wing,me
skum-Soldier(claims to be experianced (in begginer mafia) and yet so called reads 26 pages of chat places a vote and then basically says i dont need a reason to put my vote here)
unshure-pt,sausage,ragian

of the unshure id say pt would be on the skummier side of the line sausage is more town and ragin is middle

[Ragian]

@Tim, what makes you "unsure" about my alignment?

@Rose, right, they're the same. I'll concede that. The rest I disagree with.

[TimWoodbury]

@Tim, what makes you "unsure" about my alignment?

i think because youve not really had much discussion either way based on you, as you see the ones that ive got reads on have had discussion focused alsmot soley on them the way they reacted is how i got my reads(is it the best way nah prolly not but how ive worked it thus far)(oldier aint had discussion on him bt i simpy didnt like how he entered the game

[Endgame422]

Official Vote Count
Wing(2)ptlowe,ragian
Ptlowe(1)Wing,
Soldier4Christ(2)Timwoodbury,thewhiterose
Timwoodbury(1)Whatsausage
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch Deadline is be Monday the 16th

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Soilder you are at L-2. Time to claim.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Tim you have forgotten Hotshot