Double Fanucci Mafia (4/14) Endgame

[StorrZerg]

Things we know today. 2 town pitted against each other for the lynch.
The lynched was pushed over by a town. It took great effort and strain to get the lynch to be pushed over, Thus its my feeling that mafia not on the hotshot lynch, didn't want to hammer, so they would avoid being under suspicion the next day.

the double fanucci flavor of the game is confusing the f*ck out of me, being multiplied with rishaed's PR thing that he has going on.

I don't see how Hotshot's role as a roleblocker is any more or less scummy than Wing's. Since I have a stronger scum read on Wing at the moment I'm going to keep my vote on him.


for the record, my scum reads in order from least scummy to most scummy is: Hotshot, Storr, strike and Wing with my vote on Wing.

Looks like 3 town to me on his "mafia list" (and me )

Well 2 town confirmed. Thing is, he puts this down as he thinks Wing is the most scummy, yet is willing to vote hotshot, yet while we had been struggling for a lynch, he doesn't move his vote. This is pretty strange considering we really should have h it the deadline before tails hammered. I think he was holding back because he knew that hotshot was town, and didn't want to end up on the final wagon for the flip.

Vote Aog

[Metsfanmax]

Saved virus, as he was the person who asked first about the wincon first and I figured was most likely to be town.

This was unfortunately pretty poor reasoning. It would have been pretty irrational for scum not to target either you or Wing last night -- with a doc and a cop claimed, you don't take a shot at some else on the hope that they somehow have a bigger power role.

[StorrZerg]

I thought streaker was the one who brought up wincon first?

[rishaed]

Full claim is Two of Rain, Doctor. I win when town is the last faction standing (which leads me to believe there are in fact third party roles).

Not sure what to make of this.

What do you mean? Isnt that what a full claim is? (Please let me know if it isnt...)

Yeah... it was definetely Streaker who pointed it out... LaL(?)
It also might merit a look at virus cause scum docs usually protect their buddies for at least some of the time.
As for all of you who guessed the D1 quotes thing was for fun... You were right!
I'm dropping it for right now cause A. I don't have time to look for the quotes in the books. B. We just had 3 deaths....
I was going to bring up the point that we had at least 4 different WC's yesterday.
Wing (Town after Flip)
NoS(See above)
Storr (3rd Party Claim)
Normal Town WC
Also slow down on the lynch thing Storr... For a claimed 3rd party you sure want to lynch fast. Town needs to take today slow, (as far as lynching) and actually discuss what we want to do. We are down to 10/14 and have claimed 3rd party, with all deaths from town.
soo... 9/14 with 2/3 more scum.. so roughly around 5 townies left with a third party who may be SK/Survivor.
All in All IB i would like to hear you information, as well as if anyone visited me last night who is still alive.

[NoSurvivors]

Saved virus, as he was the person who asked first about the wincon first and I figured was most likely to be town.

This was unfortunately pretty poor reasoning. It would have been pretty irrational for scum not to target either you or Wing last night -- with a doc and a cop claimed, you don't take a shot at some else on the hope that they somehow have a bigger power role.

I figured if I claimed that I saved wing (if I chose to save wing) that no one would believe me since I had accused wing of being scum. So I decided to save someone whom I felt was town, and the wincon seemed like the best logic to follow... but yeah. That was a pretty hard f*ck up.

I thought streaker was the one who brought up wincon first?

For real? I thought it was virus... f*ck if it was streaker I deserve a lynch... coulda saved the game and i fucked it up even worse than I thought. My apologies to town and to the rest of the people playing. This game may have been too confusing for me and way over my head.

[StorrZerg]

wing dies so that he doesn't find out NoS i bet lol

[strike wolf]

Thank you Storr. I got exactly what I was looking for from you. For the record, I am not going to suggest a lynch on you at the moment. As far as cases, still want to look back but I could probably easily persuaded towards NoS or AoG, maybe IB depending on his claim.

[dd515087]

Saved virus, as he was the person who asked first about the wincon first and I figured was most likely to be town.

This was unfortunately pretty poor reasoning. It would have been pretty irrational for scum not to target either you or Wing last night -- with a doc and a cop claimed, you don't take a shot at some else on the hope that they somehow have a bigger power role.

Should've definitely tried to save Wing IMO, he could've proved himself today (maybe) and you would've also been cleared
vote NoS

I thought streaker was the one who brought up wincon first?

I'm pretty sure he was too, NoS deserves a lynch because of this too in my book. Even though I also think Virus is town.

That being said I would also be okay with an AoG (although I'm wary to follow Storr's lead now that he has claimed 3rd party) or an IB lynch if that is what we decide is best. So far I'm definitely more suspicious of NoS though.

[dd515087]

Out of the rest of the people that I thought were possible scum yesterday (strike, mets, and rishaed)... I think rishaed should be looked at more closely. He stops posting in book quotes now that we lost three town? That would be the perfect time to start acting serious and try and gain town cred for "starting to try now that the numbers are lower" if you were scum. Very suspicious IMO.

[mtamburini]

I may not want to lynch nos anymore. I still think he's acummy but not for the reasons I initially thought he was.

[Metsfanmax]

I may not want to lynch nos anymore. I still think he's acummy but not for the reasons I initially thought he was.

I don't think he's scummy, I just think he made a poor play. It happens. We shouldn't lose our cool because of it -- we have to be more careful than ever right now.

[dd515087]

I may not want to lynch nos anymore. I still think he's acummy but not for the reasons I initially thought he was.

I don't think he's scummy, I just think he made a poor play. It happens. We shouldn't lose our cool because of it -- we have to be more careful than ever right now.

@mtam want to clear up why you don't want to lynch a player you think is scummy? Or maybe what those reasons are? Or even a better lynch target?

@Mets that's fair enough, although if we do lynch him and he flips scum... well there's a case to be made that you were protecting him. Also, same question I asked mtam, who is a better lynch?

[StorrZerg]

Aog.. why are people avoiding him

[rishaed]

Out of the rest of the people that I thought were possible scum yesterday (strike, mets, and rishaed)... I think rishaed should be looked at more closely. He stops posting in book quotes now that we lost three town? That would be the perfect time to start acting serious and try and gain town cred for "starting to try now that the numbers are lower" if you were scum. Very suspicious IMO.

Then when would you like me to stop D1 I had my fun while still contributing, which could be said of very few others. I started 2 cases, the wing and NoS ones, and wasn't thrilled on the hotshot one. As I've said earlier town is very close to losing if we have even 2 scum, if we have 3 then its Lynch or Lose territory. As such why should i muck up the waters with unclear quotes when we could possibly have 3 more deaths tonight with 2 being almost certainty. I didn't "Start to try" I was already making cases D1, and now that things are much more complicated I can't use quotes to say what i'd like to.
Try to lynch me. I dare you. Cause the only thing its gonna do is lose town the game.
I would be amiable for a mass claim today considering the possible Lynch or Lose today.

[rishaed]

Vote Count
Wing Cmdr Ginkapo (4) - Army of GOD, virus90, Hotshot53, strike wolf
Hotshot (7) - metsfanmax, mtamburini, StorrZerg, Wing, dd515,NoSurvivors, Streaker, L-1
StorrZerg (1) - Tails
Not Voting (2) - rishaed, Iron Butterfly,
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline is in 4-6 hours (When I come back to the comp).

Adding Tails to Hotshot lynch...We had scum on both wagons (which doesn't say much obviously) So lets remove the dead.
Wing Cmdr Ginkapo (4) - Army of GOD, virus90, strike wolf
Hotshot (7) - metsfanmax, mtamburini, StorrZerg, dd515,NoSurvivors L-1

And now the claimed survivor.
Wing Cmdr Ginkapo (4) - Army of GOD, virus90, strike wolf
Hotshot (7) - metsfanmax, mtamburini, dd515
And now the claimed doc (He still could be scum)

metsfanmax, mtamburini, dd515- I want your claims today.

[Army of GOD]

Things we know today. 2 town pitted against each other for the lynch.
The lynched was pushed over by a town. It took great effort and strain to get the lynch to be pushed over, Thus its my feeling that mafia not on the hotshot lynch, didn't want to hammer, so they would avoid being under suspicion the next day.

the double fanucci flavor of the game is confusing the f*ck out of me, being multiplied with rishaed's PR thing that he has going on.

I don't see how Hotshot's role as a roleblocker is any more or less scummy than Wing's. Since I have a stronger scum read on Wing at the moment I'm going to keep my vote on him.


for the record, my scum reads in order from least scummy to most scummy is: Hotshot, Storr, strike and Wing with my vote on Wing.

Looks like 3 town to me on his "mafia list" (and me )

Well 2 town confirmed. Thing is, he puts this down as he thinks Wing is the most scummy, yet is willing to vote hotshot, yet while we had been struggling for a lynch, he doesn't move his vote. This is pretty strange considering we really should have h it the deadline before tails hammered. I think he was holding back because he knew that hotshot was town, and didn't want to end up on the final wagon for the flip.

Vote Aog

wait what? you're saying I'm scum because I thought both wing and hotshot were scummy?

so no one else that voted for either of them are scum? just me? sounds like you're still mad that I had you on that scum list

[StorrZerg]

You wouldn't switch your vote. You left it on someone that wasn't going to be lynched

[StorrZerg]

Rishaed what about aog?

[rishaed]

Rishaed what about aog?

He is a possibility, but i feel like we have a better shot from the hotshot wagon at hitting scum. I have 3 unclaimed people and NoS who is really scummy, and I know has played on CC mafia before. (its been quite a while but still...) Town needs claims and information or we aren't going to win. I figure having a 1/3 shot or 1/2 chance at hitting Mafia from the hotshot wagon is better than 1/4 from Wing wagon. (Though I can't necessarily blame those who voted wing because I started the case.)

[Metsfanmax]

Vote Count
Wing Cmdr Ginkapo (4) - Army of GOD, virus90, Hotshot53, strike wolf
Hotshot (7) - metsfanmax, mtamburini, StorrZerg, Wing, dd515,NoSurvivors, Streaker, L-1
StorrZerg (1) - Tails
Not Voting (2) - rishaed, Iron Butterfly,
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline is in 4-6 hours (When I come back to the comp).

Adding Tails to Hotshot lynch...We had scum on both wagons (which doesn't say much obviously) So lets remove the dead.
Wing Cmdr Ginkapo (4) - Army of GOD, virus90, strike wolf
Hotshot (7) - metsfanmax, mtamburini, StorrZerg, dd515,NoSurvivors L-1

And now the claimed survivor.
Wing Cmdr Ginkapo (4) - Army of GOD, virus90, strike wolf
Hotshot (7) - metsfanmax, mtamburini, dd515
And now the claimed doc (He still could be scum)

metsfanmax, mtamburini, dd515- I want your claims today.

This is absurd. No. If we aren't mass claiming, then I'm not claiming because of some fairly arbitrary list you cooked up.

[Metsfanmax]

As for all of you who guessed the D1 quotes thing was for fun... You were right!

Great. I'm glad you were having "fun" while the rest of us were dealing with four town dying before D2. I should have stuck with my original intuition on D1 and lynched you.

[rishaed]

Vote Count
Wing Cmdr Ginkapo (4) - Army of GOD, virus90, Hotshot53, strike wolf
Hotshot (7) - metsfanmax, mtamburini, StorrZerg, Wing, dd515,NoSurvivors, Streaker, L-1
StorrZerg (1) - Tails
Not Voting (2) - rishaed, Iron Butterfly,
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline is in 4-6 hours (When I come back to the comp).

Adding Tails to Hotshot lynch...We had scum on both wagons (which doesn't say much obviously) So lets remove the dead.
Wing Cmdr Ginkapo (4) - Army of GOD, virus90, strike wolf
Hotshot (7) - metsfanmax, mtamburini, StorrZerg, dd515,NoSurvivors L-1

And now the claimed survivor.
Wing Cmdr Ginkapo (4) - Army of GOD, virus90, strike wolf
Hotshot (7) - metsfanmax, mtamburini, dd515
And now the claimed doc (He still could be scum)

metsfanmax, mtamburini, dd515- I want your claims today.

This is absurd. No. If we aren't mass claiming, then I'm not claiming because of some fairly arbitrary list you cooked up.

While it is somewhat Arbitrary, Like i said, The chances of scum being on the wagon is pretty high, and all of the town deaths came from that particular wagon. Lets say we have 2 scum on the wagon. then out of the remaining 5 we have a 40% chance of hitting scum. a 50% chance if Storr is telling the truth. We take the claim information and turn it into ways to improve our lynch chances. Likewise if we have 1 then the percentage drops, but we have probably 3 scum and or 2 sets of 2 (which is even worse for town), We had 4 WC's yesterday, 2 of which turned up town, 1 is third party, and the last questionable one is NoS's.
Why is it so hard to see that our claims need to be from you three today.
Give me a reason ( Other than it's being arbitrary.)

[Army of GOD]

You wouldn't switch your vote. You left it on someone that wasn't going to be lynched

And left it on someone that I thought was scum. I don't get what you're pushing for.

[rishaed]

As for all of you who guessed the D1 quotes thing was for fun... You were right!

Great. I'm glad you were having "fun" while the rest of us were dealing with four town dying before D2. I should have stuck with my original intuition on D1 and lynched you.

LOL four town hadn't died yet. Also can you really say that it was so bad. It generated Discussion, even while doing it I still made 2 cases, which resulted in claims which is more than some of you can say. Of course I am not soley responsible, but I started them, and built them originally. Why are you so hostile now that I want your claim?

[Metsfanmax]

While it is somewhat Arbitrary, Like i said, The chances of scum being on the wagon is pretty high, and all of the town deaths came from that particular wagon. Lets say we have 2 scum on the wagon. then out of the remaining 5 we have a 40% chance of hitting scum. a 50% chance if Storr is telling the truth. We take the claim information and turn it into ways to improve our lynch chances. Likewise if we have 1 then the percentage drops, but we have probably 3 scum and or 2 sets of 2 (which is even worse for town), We had 4 WC's yesterday, 2 of which turned up town, 1 is third party, and the last questionable one is NoS's.
Why is it so hard to see that our claims need to be from you three today.
Give me a reason ( Other than it's being arbitrary.)

See any of my reasoning from D1. If town wants a lynch on D1, that means it's willing to accept the risk that it lynches a town member in the name of obtaining more information. That means if anything it is in town's interest that we ended up lynching him -- obviously we aren't happy that we got town and not mafia, but as I pointed out on several occasions that was always the most likely outcome. Now to turn around and say I'm potentially scum because I did the one thing that everyone was demanding we do, is absurd. You can't have your cake and eat it too on this issue.

LOL four town hadn't died yet. Also can you really say that it was so bad. It generated Discussion, even while doing it I still made 2 cases, which resulted in claims which is more than some of you can say. Of course I am not soley responsible, but I started them, and built them originally. Why are you so hostile now that I want your claim?

Wait so we forced a cop and a doctor to claim on D1 and you're proud of it? As if town as is now somehow better off because of the clusterfuck that was D1? Lol. Brilliant.