Power Role Draft Mafia - Town Wins!

[spiesr]

if i was mafia which im not i would have disconected myself fast when the pressure was pushed on him...isnt that what mafia do?

Depending on the circumstance, quickly trying to distance yourself from someone when they come under pressure is a bigger scum tell than defending that person. Which is of course why scum would want to avoid doing so.

i know how it feels to have my post looked over and it sucks

Welcome to mafia, in which everything you say will be dissected by both scum trying to screw you over, and by townies who incorrectly, or correctly, think you may be scum.

this is why im saying all this because if he is gonna get lynched then i want to hear everything he has to say and i would hope you guys would want the same

We are listening , doesn't mean we necessarily believe or agree with what he says, but we are listening. (Well at least I am, I suppose that some others could have gone deaf by this point...)

i agree the case is against me but you guys are conecting us so in turn when one of us get lynched our alignment will show and since we dont know each others alignments it is scary as hell considering he may be mafia and i dont know then he gets lynched and you guys will hit me and i wont be able to do anything at all this is why i believe he is defending himself ..because when you guys make a case on me and connect him you are in turn making a case on him as well

So, you believe that Ghostly is town because him getting lynched and turning up scum would be bad for you? Did I miss a step there or is that logic a little off?

[Some7hingCLEVER]

if i was mafia which im not i would have disconected myself fast when the pressure was pushed on him...isnt that what mafia do?

Depending on the circumstance, quickly trying to distance yourself from someone when they come under pressure is a bigger scum tell than defending that person. Which is of course why scum would want to avoid doing so.

i know how it feels to have my post looked over and it sucks

Welcome to mafia, in which everything you say will be dissected by both scum trying to screw you over, and by townies who incorrectly, or correctly, think you may be scum.

this is why im saying all this because if he is gonna get lynched then i want to hear everything he has to say and i would hope you guys would want the same

We are listening , doesn't mean we necessarily believe or agree with what he says, but we are listening. (Well at least I am, I suppose that some others could have gone deaf by this point...)

i agree the case is against me but you guys are conecting us so in turn when one of us get lynched our alignment will show and since we dont know each others alignments it is scary as hell considering he may be mafia and i dont know then he gets lynched and you guys will hit me and i wont be able to do anything at all this is why i believe he is defending himself ..because when you guys make a case on me and connect him you are in turn making a case on him as well

So, you believe that Ghostly is town because him getting lynched and turning up scum would be bad for you? Did I miss a step there or is that logic a little off?

I see what your saying but what I was saying is my posts sometimes get looked over ..i would much rather them dissect it and find me scummy than just ignore me

No I believe he is town...i was saying that he is defending himself cause your connecting us and if one of us is scum (I know im town and I can never be 100% sure that he is or not I can only go off of what I believe) then the other will automatically be mafia as well(by there logic) this is why were defending ourselves since there is always that chance its needed

[edocsil]

This is why it is often better to let someone defend themselves, even if it is related to you. IT keeps everyone nice and distant and keeps stuff like these theoretical trinities from evolving.

[spiesr]

Can you two stop saying things like "you guys" and name people. I don't know whether you are talking to me but I certainly haven't cleared either nag or daz, I was even initially on ghostlys side. I don't think the case brought against either of them is particularly serious enough to warrant a lynch tho.

If I am not mistaken, PMC, you actually.. Kind of started against us with this post:

I would still like to hear a response from yesterday by ghostly. Also I would like to bring fresh evidence against clever, but right now I have an evaluation + conclusion on my dissertation to do due in like 12 hours.

Well now that I have you contradicting yourself at the start of the day till now, I do believe that gives me yet another bit against you, daz, and Neb.

The way I interpreted his saying that he was initially on your side is that he meant back in the earlier parts of day one when you first brought stuff against Nagerous.

[pmchugh]

Can you two stop saying things like "you guys" and name people. I don't know whether you are talking to me but I certainly haven't cleared either nag or daz, I was even initially on ghostlys side. I don't think the case brought against either of them is particularly serious enough to warrant a lynch tho.

Fastposted by ghostly. I don't know if I get what you mean. I was meaning my town tells on other people.. not myself.

Fine. By you guys, I address everyone in the game. You Guys are going to lynch me because of the exact reason I went against daz, nag, and you about.

If I am not mistaken, PMC, you actually.. Kind of started against us with this post:

I would still like to hear a response from yesterday by ghostly. Also I would like to bring fresh evidence against clever, but right now I have an evaluation + conclusion on my dissertation to do due in like 12 hours.

Well now that I have you contradicting yourself at the start of the day till now, I do believe that gives me yet another bit against you, daz, and Neb.

Haha what. I said "initially" referring to your day 1 case against nag and dazza from which all of this stemmed. You are also confusing my different opinions.

1. Nag + Dazza fos'd you for poor reasons
2. You acted scummy in the remainder of day 1
3. In light of sg7 being mafia there is a doubt placed upon clever and to a lesser extent you.

I see no contradictions in what I have said. I haven't cleared any of you 4.

[ghostly447]

Can you two stop saying things like "you guys" and name people. I don't know whether you are talking to me but I certainly haven't cleared either nag or daz, I was even initially on ghostlys side. I don't think the case brought against either of them is particularly serious enough to warrant a lynch tho.

Fastposted by ghostly. I don't know if I get what you mean. I was meaning my town tells on other people.. not myself.

Fine. By you guys, I address everyone in the game. You Guys are going to lynch me because of the exact reason I went against daz, nag, and you about.

If I am not mistaken, PMC, you actually.. Kind of started against us with this post:

I would still like to hear a response from yesterday by ghostly. Also I would like to bring fresh evidence against clever, but right now I have an evaluation + conclusion on my dissertation to do due in like 12 hours.

Well now that I have you contradicting yourself at the start of the day till now, I do believe that gives me yet another bit against you, daz, and Neb.

Haha what. I said "initially" referring to your day 1 case against nag and dazza from which all of this stemmed. You are also confusing my different opinions.

1. Nag + Dazza fos'd you for poor reasons
2. You acted scummy in the remainder of day 1
3. In light of sg7 being mafia there is a doubt placed upon clever and to a lesser extent you.

I see no contradictions in what I have said. I haven't cleared any of you 4.

apologies, I thought you meant the beginning of Day 2 your were with me and Clever. Withdrawn.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Lol I wanna hear the new evidence on me

[pmchugh]

Lol I wanna hear the new evidence on me

It was pretty much summed up by everywhere before I could say it. Mainly that you attempted to avoid the lynch of shield and were very paly with him at the start of the game. For instance when he offered you advice on how not to scum tell.

[spiesr]

I think we are more or less ready to be done here. We are now just going around in circles and nobody is happy, let's just bite the bullet already.
Vote Ghostly.

[pmchugh]

unvote busy just now but I think he may actually be town.

[edocsil]

unvote busy just now but I think he may actually be town.

You realize how wifomy this is with the RT game right?

[alt1978]

Simplified vote count

ghostly447 - everywhere116, edocsil, nagerous, drunkmonkey, pmchugh (L-2)

Add spiesr to the above list...

It probably isn't of much help...but with the vote going to L1 momentarily before pmc pulled back his vote...I think it is safe to say that none of these players are the double voter. That really isn't earth shaking...but it's one less fake claim possible for 6 players. With only 4 viable fake claims out there...every one we eliminate is going to make it harder for folks to pull off a fake claim.

[everywhere116]

Wait...pmc, why did you remove your vote?

[spiesr]

It probably isn't of much help...but with the vote going to L1 momentarily before pmc pulled back his vote...I think it is safe to say that none of these players are the double voter. That really isn't earth shaking...but it's one less fake claim possible for 6 players. With only 4 viable fake claims out there...every one we eliminate is going to make it harder for folks to pull off a fake claim.

Since we saw a extra vote on day1, we know that the double voter exists, so no one can fake claim it anyway...

[alt1978]

well...good call spiesr. I apologize...forgot all about that exchange.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

i geuss he has some new evidence saying ghost is town but is to busy to say anything

[pmchugh]

unvote busy just now but I think he may actually be town.

You realize how wifomy this is with the RT game right?

To be honest I don't really like the way this happened. I was in an RT game and ghostly asked to be voted so he could self hammer, spiesr obliged and then I had to unvote as I wasn't ready for the hammer. I think this is too much outside game influence.

Anyway, the reason why I don't want him hammered is that he is not the vig. I don't know whether he is town or not and in normal circumstances I would want him to be lynched but I think the vig is a more pressing concern due to the double kills at night.

Ghostly can't be the vig that far down the list, so I would like to hear more discussion on the top 5ish so that we can route out who the vig by tomorrow at the latest.

[pmchugh]

p.s. I guess JOAT should also be considered along side Vig for the 2nd kill explanation.

[edocsil]

unvote busy just now but I think he may actually be town.

You realize how wifomy this is with the RT game right?

To be honest I don't really like the way this happened. I was in an RT game and ghostly asked to be voted so he could self hammer, spiesr obliged and then I had to unvote as I wasn't ready for the hammer. I think this is too much outside game influence.

Anyway, the reason why I don't want him hammered is that he is not the vig. I don't know whether he is town or not and in normal circumstances I would want him to be lynched but I think the vig is a more pressing concern due to the double kills at night.

Ghostly can't be the vig that far down the list, so I would like to hear more discussion on the top 5ish so that we can route out who the vig by tomorrow at the latest.

Fair enough, just want it noted.

[ghostly447]

That's my fault I suppose. It was a joke bit I forgot to say so. Sorry about that I even forget occasionally that sarcasm doesn't transfer well.

[spiesr]

Anyway, the reason why I don't want him hammered is that he is not the vig. I don't know whether he is town or not and in normal circumstances I would want him to be lynched but I think the vig is a more pressing concern due to the double kills at night.

Ghostly can't be the vig that far down the list, so I would like to hear more discussion on the top 5ish so that we can route out who the vig by tomorrow at the latest.

Ah, interesting point.
If we want to hunt out the vig right now it probably won't be too hard. The first step should be everyone who had the vig higher than the role they got on their list should say so, that should narrow things down at bit...

[pmchugh]

Yes that would be nice. Is there anyone who can narrow the vig window down?

Also, if the vig is town he should just straight up claim and explain why he killed or place blame on the JOAT if he didn't.

[Djfireside]

If we could narrow down the vig that would be great and eliminate that threat I agree that would be greatly beneficial as im curious as to which fired last night vig or JOAT.

[edocsil]

Yes that would be nice. Is there anyone who can narrow the vig window down?

Also, if the vig is town he should just straight up claim and explain why he killed or place blame on the JOAT if he didn't.

This could work.

[everywhere116]

Vig is higher than my role. Not that it helps much.