Battle of the Bulge - CLOSED

[thechuck51]

Ah, but that's where you're wrong Chuck, jg and I are getting deep under your skin to the point where you wish to rush something that's been attempted 2-3 times already. I think you can't bare to see the day's go by and wish for the nights where you can kill of town, that's what I think here Chuck. Yes, everyone is free to state themselves and do what they want, which if you haven't noticed I've been stating my opinions and been picking things apart. With a few useless posts in there to keep it active or to reply to people (Mostly the 2nd).

A little melodramatic don't you think? You don't agree with me which is fine but you only do so by attacking me not my argument. I would ask review my pro/con list and do so objectively but I'm not sure you can do that.

As is being seen lately, / is picking apart NG. So I think Chuck, the activity of late has been to the benefit of town, whether you agree or not, the proof is in front of you, all you have to do is read it. As for my belief on you being scum, I'll be willing to put my money where my mouth is so to speak. Unvote (well not sure if I gotta unvote a no lynch, but okay XD) Vote Chuck for the reasons I've posted a bit back. He's too antsy for my taste I guess.

I agree that the activity has been beneficial. People should re-read carefully. I hope they don't skip the part where you threatened the town with not using your doc skills. You put your money where ever you see fit buy my vote remains the same

Fastposted by Chuck, if you wish to restate it, add some more information next time. Restating things for the sake of restating them to bring their case out of the dust is not helpful if the town has decided to move on to other things.

I think I did add information with the pro/con list. I also invited others to contribute but I guess as you said everybody had moved on. Is there an agenda posted somewhere so I will know what topics you have deemed acceptable for conversation?

[safariguy5]

Ah, but that's where you're wrong Chuck, jg and I are getting deep under your skin to the point where you wish to rush something that's been attempted 2-3 times already. I think you can't bare to see the day's go by and wish for the nights where you can kill of town, that's what I think here Chuck. Yes, everyone is free to state themselves and do what they want, which if you haven't noticed I've been stating my opinions and been picking things apart. With a few useless posts in there to keep it active or to reply to people (Mostly the 2nd).

As is being seen lately, / is picking apart NG. So I think Chuck, the activity of late has been to the benefit of town, whether you agree or not, the proof is in front of you, all you have to do is read it. As for my belief on you being scum, I'll be willing to put my money where my mouth is so to speak. Unvote (well not sure if I gotta unvote a no lynch, but okay XD) Vote Chuck for the reasons I've posted a bit back. He's too antsy for my taste I guess.

Fastposted by Chuck, if you wish to restate it, add some more information next time. Restating things for the sake of restating them to bring their case out of the dust is not helpful if the town has decided to move on to other things.

Again with the whole "getting under people's skin" thing. Seriously, if you talk down to people they'll get angry and flustered no matter the role. I really don't want to bring this up again, but let's state the obvious.

1. jgordon (and to a lesser extent, jak) needle thechuck.
2. thechuck takes offense.
3. jak believes this is a scumslip.

Seriously, I don't see how this tactic is going to find scum reliably. Anyone with a half decent amount of self-respect is probably not going to appreciate insulting posts. That doesn't mean they're mafia, it just means they're human beings and not soulless machines.

[gimli1990]

i just want to say i am going to do my best to catch up on reading in this game which looks like it may take some time.

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@ safari, I agree, and it's a ridiculous shame when common courtesy needs to even become an issue in a game.
Ghostly, could we have a rule concerning instances of bad manners that take things too far past friendly ribbing?

[gimli1990]

i am surprised / is the only person to say hello to me before i posted i do not even have my role PM yet so i am going to do more until i get that i am almost done reading though everything so yeah.

[pmchugh]

i am surprised / is the only person to say hello to me before i posted i do not even have my role PM yet so i am going to do more until i get that i am almost done reading though everything so yeah.

Hi gimli. Happy?

I agree with saf and think jak and jg have been incredibly unfair on chuck. He is playing well for a newb IMO. I can see why someone would want jgordon lynched, he is a claimed survivor who is voting himself out of anger.. how can you describe that as "helpful"? I personally don't think we should lynch him (esp with an unknown amount of NKs) but I think his reasoning is sound. The only questionable thing is why he FOSd jak.

So bring the FOS Chuck, I hope someone notes it perfectly that Chuck decides to WIFOM and then FOS the town doc. Are you getting mad? Am I getting under your skin for not agreeing that we should just get into the night? Is it wrong to think we should keep the survivor alive to increase our numbers? IF you answered yes to any of the following questions, FOS on Chuck.

I think the correct answer to all 3 questions for anyone in chucks position would be yes but I don't think that indicates scum at all. The only part where you might have a point is that there is no need to rush into night ever but I don't believe chuck was attempting to do that.

By this post I am not saying that I think chuck is necessarily town but that I think the arguments against him are poor.

[jgordon1111]

i am surprised / is the only person to say hello to me before i posted i do not even have my role PM yet so i am going to do more until i get that i am almost done reading though everything so yeah.

Hi gimli. Happy?

I agree with saf and think jak and jg have been incredibly unfair on chuck. He is playing well for a newb IMO. I can see why someone would want jgordon lynched, he is a claimed survivor who is voting himself out of anger.. how can you describe that as "helpful"? I personally don't think we should lynch him (esp with an unknown amount of NKs) but I think his reasoning is sound. The only questionable thing is why he FOSd jak.

So bring the FOS Chuck, I hope someone notes it perfectly that Chuck decides to WIFOM and then FOS the town doc. Are you getting mad? Am I getting under your skin for not agreeing that we should just get into the night? Is it wrong to think we should keep the survivor alive to increase our numbers? IF you answered yes to any of the following questions, FOS on Chuck.

I think the correct answer to all 3 questions for anyone in chucks position would be yes but I don't think that indicates scum at all. The only part where you might have a point is that there is no need to rush into night ever but I don't believe chuck was attempting to do that.

By this post I am not saying that I think chuck is necessarily town but that I think the arguments against him are poor.

@ pmc yep pretty peeved at chuck for having blinders on and constantly harping on lynching me as his only real recommendation thus far in the game.

@ / not normally this abrasive toward anyone. Not exactly happy with myself,but if he gets the hint for future games he is in, it might keep him from being lynched. And you know that under most circumstances he would be getting very close scrutiny right now. I tried being nice and gently warning him that almost every time he post's if he keeps bringing up lynch jg it will be remembered and almost certainly be put on the block himself as someone who wants to lynch quick, so highly suspect himself.

@ chuck so in other words dont always talk or push a lynch everytime you post, If you have a week left and you do that frequently it will likely lead to your own. Take the hint, say what you think and play,but constantly pushing a lynch will get you into the light and most likely killed.

[thechuck51]

@ chuck so in other words dont always talk or push a lynch everytime you post, If you have a week left and you do that frequently it will likely lead to your own. Take the hint, say what you think and play,but constantly pushing a lynch will get you into the light and most likely killed.

I will keep that in mind.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

@ safari, I agree, and it's a ridiculous shame when common courtesy needs to even become an issue in a game.
Ghostly, could we have a rule concerning instances of bad manners that take things too far past friendly ribbing?

havent read past this post but i am starting to get upset with the personal game. everywhere in every game i see someone say its just a game dont take it personal. WHEN YOU BRING PERSONAL THINGS INTO SOMETHING ITS GONNA GET PERSONAL. i completly agree also with this post

1. jgordon (and to a lesser extent, jak) needle thechuck.
2. thechuck takes offense.
3. jak believes this is a scumslip.

Seriously, I don't see how this tactic is going to find scum reliably. Anyone with a half decent amount of self-respect is probably not going to appreciate insulting posts. That doesn't mean they're mafia, it just means they're human beings and not soulless machines.

saying someone got upset to a personal comment like this...

Yes, you should consult your doctor Chuck, I think you're not taking the right dose of your meds lately. You know, taking too much or too little can result in side effects which I will not be responsible for

would you not get upset jak? I TAKE PERSONAL OFFENSE TO THIS AND ANYONE ELSE WHO HAS TO TAKE PILLS ON A DAILY BASIS. your being utterly rude and i ask that all slander and offensive talk to chuck and any other player be stopped imediatly.

take this all as a scum slip i dont care. i just needed to say this for its going to far.

[chapcrap]

Welcome gimli. Caught up yet? Odd that you haven't received a role PM when it has been announced that you are replacing... Feel free to give thoughts without the PM. unvote vote gimli for not contributing more.

ghostly, thanks for the hard deadline.

Wow. This may be the most active Day I have been a part of. Just read 7 pages.

Ok, first of all, jgordon, please try to stop double posting...and being so crazy!! What I mean is I feel like you are really amped up and just going on a rage when your posting and it makes it difficult to understand quite everything you're saying. Also, for the record, I didn't skim. I'm the first one who questioned you on it. There were multiple people who skimmed, but I'm over it. I believe your claim right now. I still think that if we don't have a great candidate (very, very likely), we lynch jgordon. I don't think those votes will show us anything though. What are you thinking that the votes will show?

Secondly, I called Rodion out and he showed up with a couple of insightful posts, as I expected. However, I still think his play style this game is a little off, even if he did say he was trying to change it up. But I won't push that point.

Next, give chuck a break. This is only his second game and this is a lot. Especially with all of the meta crap going on for no reason. He might be scum, I don't know, but I think we have other things to worry about.

Also, I really, really likes SG7's post when he came back into the game. Go check it out again. Something it opened my eyes to was using a vig on jgordon. As / has already mentioned, the tone of the game suggests that there is a likely a mafia busdriver. Using a vig for a NK is a bad idea because with a mafia busdriver, you will essentially give the mafia two kills at night. The one person who brought it up and pushed for it was pmc. As a self proclaimed veteran, he should have known better and also known what he was doing. My thought: he did know. FOS pmc.

I buy jak's claim because I have no reason not to. He is most likely the doctor. You can't lynch a claimed doctor on Day 1. Silliest thing to do ever. Also, if there is another doctor, please don't counterclaim right now and expose yourself.

My vote will stay on Doom. Yes, I agreed with what you had to say about you fully exposing jak's claim. However, that doesn't mean you can't be pressured. As stated, at that time, I didn't see anyone else compelling and as I am still looking for scum, I went ahead and pressured someone for information, not for a lynch. My vote will stay until you claim. I think it's odd that pmc advocates you not claiming after previously stating that pressuring someone for claiming was good. FOS pmc again.

Ragian vs dazza: There was nothing wrong with that vote except for the fact that he is voting for someone for being inactive when there are plenty of actual cases and other things going on. I mean, what was the point?

Ok, I don't remember what SPART said right now because I read through 7 pages, but I do remember thinking, 'Thanks for nothing.'

I don't think I have anything else to say right now. What do you think about my comments? About pmc's actions? About how great SG7's post was?

P.S. Did I use my FOS's correctly, jgordon?

OMGUS unvote vote chapcrap

p.s. please stop with the PR soft claiming ng.

Yeah, your case was crap. I mean part of it was that I said we should lynch jgordon if there is not anyone else inherently scummy. Do you really disagree with that? Triple FOS pmc

Anyway, does no one else think it's extremely odd that jak tries to say he created a BW vote ruse in order to catch scum when he wasn't even the one who started it?! I mean, his analysis of the vote patterns is ok, but if you just look at it, it's taken out of context anyway. You need to see the vote counts on all of the wagons and when the votes were placed to really makes sense of it.

Leehar said it was the same as BW for me to FOS instead of vote. How is that the same? Day one BWs are good for one thing, IMO, and that is claims and the scumslips that accompany them. Voting patterns on Day 1 are ridiculous. There is way to much stupidity on Day 1 for the voting to be taken that seriously. Almost none of the cases are worth a pile of sh..crap anyway. Name one case that was worthy of anything on a Day 1 that you've played. I can't name any and have only seen scum lynched once and that was a complete fluke.

However, I do like Leehar's back and forth with newguy1. It didn't seem like newguy was overly defensive with what he said, but he made sure and respond very quickly. It seemed like he was trying to get out of something before he was really even in it. All he really needed to do was offer a line of defense and say that everywhere or saf or anyone else looked scummier based on jak's analysis and it would have sufficed because the most votes we can get on anyone in this game is about 5. No one is in danger of being lynched, which is really frustrating because town can't win without lynching. And the biggest part of his defense was that he defended jgordon after jumping off the wagon. Is that even really a defense? You defend someone after you BW them and get them to claim third party. That doesn't seem like much of a defense and I want more. unvote vote newguy1 (btw, this is a real vote, not a ploy to detect Day 1 BWs. And my goal is information from newguy1 through a claim.)

Anyway, I thought it was odd that pmc told newguy to stop soft claiming. We've already had a lengthy discussion about soft claiming with Doom and jak, so why does pmc feel the need to step in and say this? Either he's trying to get newguy to not make a slip because they are mates or he wanted to bring it out in the open. I noticed no soft claim initially. I will go back and check, but that just seems odd.

About chuck: I can't believe he got offended when he was picked on. He must be scum... I feel like he's contributed more than Rodion. I mean, look at Rodion's last post. He was bringing up stuff that had already been talked about and we were through with. What was the point of even making that post? To appear active and townish? That's all it seems like to me. I don't like Rodion's play so far in this game.

I almost agree with saf about simply lynching jgordon or going with a no lynch at this point, but we really only have 2 claims and I would really like to get more information in a game this size.

[gimli1990]

chap i am not yet entirely caught up as i try to read everyting i read from page 39 til now and then i went to i think it was page 10 after the joke votes and started reading there i am on page 32 right now.

[new guy1]

Welcome gimli. Caught up yet? Odd that you haven't received a role PM when it has been announced that you are replacing... Feel free to give thoughts without the PM. unvote vote gimli for not contributing more.

ghostly, thanks for the hard deadline.

Wow. This may be the most active Day I have been a part of. Just read 7 pages.

Ok, first of all, jgordon, please try to stop double posting...and being so crazy!! What I mean is I feel like you are really amped up and just going on a rage when your posting and it makes it difficult to understand quite everything you're saying. Also, for the record, I didn't skim. I'm the first one who questioned you on it. There were multiple people who skimmed, but I'm over it. I believe your claim right now. I still think that if we don't have a great candidate (very, very likely), we lynch jgordon. I don't think those votes will show us anything though. What are you thinking that the votes will show?

Secondly, I called Rodion out and he showed up with a couple of insightful posts, as I expected. However, I still think his play style this game is a little off, even if he did say he was trying to change it up. But I won't push that point.

Next, give chuck a break. This is only his second game and this is a lot. Especially with all of the meta crap going on for no reason. He might be scum, I don't know, but I think we have other things to worry about.

Also, I really, really likes SG7's post when he came back into the game. Go check it out again. Something it opened my eyes to was using a vig on jgordon. As / has already mentioned, the tone of the game suggests that there is a likely a mafia busdriver. Using a vig for a NK is a bad idea because with a mafia busdriver, you will essentially give the mafia two kills at night. The one person who brought it up and pushed for it was pmc. As a self proclaimed veteran, he should have known better and also known what he was doing. My thought: he did know. FOS pmc.

I buy jak's claim because I have no reason not to. He is most likely the doctor. You can't lynch a claimed doctor on Day 1. Silliest thing to do ever. Also, if there is another doctor, please don't counterclaim right now and expose yourself.

My vote will stay on Doom. Yes, I agreed with what you had to say about you fully exposing jak's claim. However, that doesn't mean you can't be pressured. As stated, at that time, I didn't see anyone else compelling and as I am still looking for scum, I went ahead and pressured someone for information, not for a lynch. My vote will stay until you claim. I think it's odd that pmc advocates you not claiming after previously stating that pressuring someone for claiming was good. FOS pmc again.

Ragian vs dazza: There was nothing wrong with that vote except for the fact that he is voting for someone for being inactive when there are plenty of actual cases and other things going on. I mean, what was the point?

Ok, I don't remember what SPART said right now because I read through 7 pages, but I do remember thinking, 'Thanks for nothing.'

I don't think I have anything else to say right now. What do you think about my comments? About pmc's actions? About how great SG7's post was?

P.S. Did I use my FOS's correctly, jgordon?

OMGUS unvote vote chapcrap

p.s. please stop with the PR soft claiming ng.

Yeah, your case was crap. I mean part of it was that I said we should lynch jgordon if there is not anyone else inherently scummy. Do you really disagree with that? Triple FOS pmc

Anyway, does no one else think it's extremely odd that jak tries to say he created a BW vote ruse in order to catch scum when he wasn't even the one who started it?! I mean, his analysis of the vote patterns is ok, but if you just look at it, it's taken out of context anyway. You need to see the vote counts on all of the wagons and when the votes were placed to really makes sense of it.

Leehar said it was the same as BW for me to FOS instead of vote. How is that the same? Day one BWs are good for one thing, IMO, and that is claims and the scumslips that accompany them. Voting patterns on Day 1 are ridiculous. There is way to much stupidity on Day 1 for the voting to be taken that seriously. Almost none of the cases are worth a pile of sh..crap anyway. Name one case that was worthy of anything on a Day 1 that you've played. I can't name any and have only seen scum lynched once and that was a complete fluke.

However, I do like Leehar's back and forth with newguy1. It didn't seem like newguy was overly defensive with what he said, but he made sure and respond very quickly. It seemed like he was trying to get out of something before he was really even in it. All he really needed to do was offer a line of defense and say that everywhere or saf or anyone else looked scummier based on jak's analysis and it would have sufficed because the most votes we can get on anyone in this game is about 5. No one is in danger of being lynched, which is really frustrating because town can't win without lynching. And the biggest part of his defense was that he defended jgordon after jumping off the wagon. Is that even really a defense? You defend someone after you BW them and get them to claim third party. That doesn't seem like much of a defense and I want more. unvote vote newguy1 (btw, this is a real vote, not a ploy to detect Day 1 BWs. And my goal is information from newguy1 through a claim.)

Anyway, I thought it was odd that pmc told newguy to stop soft claiming. We've already had a lengthy discussion about soft claiming with Doom and jak, so why does pmc feel the need to step in and say this? Either he's trying to get newguy to not make a slip because they are mates or he wanted to bring it out in the open. I noticed no soft claim initially. I will go back and check, but that just seems odd.

About chuck: I can't believe he got offended when he was picked on. He must be scum... I feel like he's contributed more than Rodion. I mean, look at Rodion's last post. He was bringing up stuff that had already been talked about and we were through with. What was the point of even making that post? To appear active and townish? That's all it seems like to me. I don't like Rodion's play so far in this game.

I almost agree with saf about simply lynching jgordon or going with a no lynch at this point, but we really only have 2 claims and I would really like to get more information in a game this size.

What I find funny is you have a triple FOS on PMC and yet havent voted. There is another post on the next page that I havent gotten to, but Ill respond to this.

Okay, so in Paragraph 2 speaking about jak's ruse, you say that it is all taken out of context and that it doesnt really mean anything without the background information. Next is a rant (what I got from it when I read it) and now you go on to say that I responded too quickly? Is that even a case? I was on and responded too fast? I responded fast because I was online, I already said this before. I used the JG defense as my defense because he was trying to say that I was a bandwagoner, which I had a reason for joining in on the voting and then backed off for a reason. And what more do you want as a defense? You gave no new questions to answer. I was never soft claiming anything and I dont even know the role that pmc mentioned I was softclaiming, so yeah I dont know what hes picking up on either. And also, you vote me and then you say "I almost agree that we should no lynch becase we have 2 claims already", which just seems like a little bit of a contradiction to me if you look at it the right way. Also, btw, come back with a better case then "look look, he responded quick he must be scum" cause that makes no sense whatsoever.

[new guy1]

chap i am not yet entirely caught up as i try to read everyting i read from page 39 til now and then i went to i think it was page 10 after the joke votes and started reading there i am on page 32 right now.

Also (sorry for double post) sorry for my rude behavior, welcome to the game gimli!

[safariguy5]

Heya gimli, looking forward to some commentary.

[pmchugh]

OMGUS unvote vote chapcrap

p.s. please stop with the PR soft claiming ng.

Yeah, your case was crap. I mean part of it was that I said we should lynch jgordon if there is not anyone else inherently scummy. Do you really disagree with that? Triple FOS pmc

LOL. I was OMGUSing you from 4 days and 17 pages ago when you FOSd me? I had a case against you that was thought of and had IMO good reasons behind it, that is not OMGUS. As far as I can see you have not denied that you have been vote hopping and BWing your way through the day. As for the jgordon thing, you are taking that out of context.. looking at the rest of your play it shows a pattern of anyone will do as a lynch target. Don't forget that mafia will also prefer to lynch a townie but wouldn't mind a survivor, so what you said is not necessarily a town tell. I also don't buy that scum cannot be caught day 1, for example: Caught Godfather day 1 and more recently in power role draft we lynched maf day 1.

If my case is so bad, it should be easy to defend against so why don't you try do that?

@NG I didn't say you soft claimed any particular role. It seems I am gonna be guilty of doing something similar to doom, but you soft claimed a PR (power role). Soft claiming is not clever no matter what you are (except maybe VT).

[ghostly447]

Okay guys, lets stop this in its 'infancy' so to speak. Please refrain from posting personal insults towards other people. No one here really knows what other people in game do with the free time, or what their life is like. It is the players job to keep the community a place to enjoy themselves and not get blasted by offensive language, etc, every day. I am a person who has done it before, but I am trying to get better about it, and I would like the community as a whole to make sure they stay on their best behavior, and play the game the way its supposed to be played (without insulting people and ridiculing their daily lives).

Alright guys, that is your one and only warning. If I see anyone being extremely disrespectful to another player in the game, you risk a mod kill, or at the very least having to listen to me ramble about this again. Lets keep this community clean, and make sure to watch how we act around others so that no one is threatened, or insulted.

Adam

[jak111]

Welcome to 1 of the 2 most craziest D1's ongoing at the moment gimli.

Though I have a question, where have I personally attacked Chuck? I've reread my posts and the only thing that wasn't supposed to be taken offensively (which Clever seems to have) is the doctor joke. Which is a bit of a overreaction when you looked at what I was replying to.

Besides that I've struck down Chuck's motives and the way he brought things up (which everyone does ~Points at the message PMC quoted of Chap calling PMC's case crap~) So if you wish to take offense to things, look around, you're new here so perhaps my aggressiveness is a bit much, but outside this game I don't really have an opinion about how people think. Ask Doom <.< >.> I'm on his ass quite a bit in a few games, yet we get along in others. The only tip I can give people taking offense (Unless it's literally calling out someones personal stuff) is to take the words for what they are, gameplay.

Now that I'm done explaining that, it's time to go to the others who aren't Chuck and saying it's personal attacks. If we think like that have you not made personal attacks on jg for his gameplay lately? All I'm saying is if you're bringing personal stuff into the game, don't be hypocritical about it. Besides the personal stuff it's just a game so don't get all emotional about it. If you're mafia you play for deception, if you're town you play to criticize people's posts to try and weed out error's and mistakes.

Now then, can we get on with the game its self?

Yes / I may not protect people, though I should word it differently, there aren't many people I'd choose to protect from.

As for Chap, I'm beginning to think I haven't been paying him much attention, he FOS PMC many times this game with no votes, so I am guessing that he is afraid of starting a BW for fear of it not working and backfiring on him. For not being able to stand by your accusations toward PMC Chap, I put an FOS on you, and I Unvote if needed and Vote Chapcrap

Fastposted by Ghostly, +1, no one's perfect, just try to be as good as you can. (I'm hoping people read my posts with a tone of voice I somewhat am using in my head but I somehow doubt it >.<).

[gimli1990]

crazy is right i am going to have to reread at least one more time

and i still have no role PM ghostly can i please get that

@sheild i am very surprised that you would give rodian a double vote

right now i am still trying to get my bearings in this game and i would like to wait until my role PM before i say more.

[jak111]

Aye, well good luck bud, the one you replaced hasn't been active, so hopefully we can see you active during the D2 phase.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

@jak -i am sorry i guess i overreacted i do apologize i would rather keep jokes that are targeted at someone at a limit or gone for good. i dont know if it was you who said it but i think it was. you said "am i getting under your skin? good thats scummy" you were basing your scum on the fact that he overreacted to being personally insulted.

[jak111]

i dont know if it was you who said it but i think it was. you said "am i getting under your skin? good thats scummy" you were basing your scum on the fact that he overreacted to being personally insulted.

Actually, that's wrong, I don't know why people are misinterpreting what I said (Not only you but others are doing that way more), Getting under his skin is not the scummy part or that he's reacting back. It's because he wishes to push for the lynch so badly on a case that dried up days ago, now trying to bring it into a full fledge BW yet again after we've been through 2-3 already on jg.

If he had something new to add to it I would not be on his ass this bad, but instead he's trying to dust off an old book and reread it. Thus I have a problem with it. THEN he continues to put an FOS on a claimed doctor because he panics, but since everyone is on jg and me about personal attacks they cover him and he plays it cool. So my question is, do you see why I'm on his trail so much?

[Some7hingCLEVER]

crazy is right i am going to have to reread at least one more time

and i still have no role PM ghostly can i please get that

@sheild i am very surprised that you would give rodian a double vote

right now i am still trying to get my bearings in this game and i would like to wait until my role PM before i say more.

hey i am gonna speak for ghostly for like two minutes we were at the park playing football and he is going home for dinner so probably in the next hour you will recieve it so ya.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

i dont know if it was you who said it but i think it was. you said "am i getting under your skin? good thats scummy" you were basing your scum on the fact that he overreacted to being personally insulted.

Actually, that's wrong, I don't know why people are misinterpreting what I said (Not only you but others are doing that way more), Getting under his skin is not the scummy part or that he's reacting back. It's because he wishes to push for the lynch so badly on a case that dried up days ago, now trying to bring it into a full fledge BW yet again after we've been through 2-3 already on jg.

If he had something new to add to it I would not be on his ass this bad, but instead he's trying to dust off an old book and reread it. Thus I have a problem with it. THEN he continues to put an FOS on a claimed doctor because he panics, but since everyone is on jg and me about personal attacks they cover him and he plays it cool. So my question is, do you see why I'm on his trail so much?

ok i see now. sorry i just get confused alot. im not the brightest crayon in the box but i try. but i see your reasoning. im just trying to straighten things out.

[chapcrap]

What would you like me to defend? I already explained my actions. I'll bandwagon all over Day 1 every game I play, every time. Sorry if you don't like that. I already told you that's how I play. It's the best way to get claims. Once a claim is given, I'll get off and move on. Want to have another Day 1 game playing argument like you did with jak? Maybe I'll even soft claim at the end!!

And yes, I think you just waited to make a case on me after I put suspicion on you. You waited so that it wouldn't look like an OMGUS.

As for Chap, I'm beginning to think I haven't been paying him much attention, he FOS PMC many times this game with no votes, so I am guessing that he is afraid of starting a BW for fear of it not working and backfiring on him.

As for jak,

First of all, I'm pretty sure that you didn't even respond to the fact that it's ridiculous that you tried to say that you started a BW when saf did. And why would I be afraid of starting a case? The only thing I would be guilty of would be making a bad case.

Second of all, I haven't FOS'ed pmc many times. It has been in two total posts. And I have more suspicion of newguy1, which is why I voted him. Even if I had FOS'ed pmc a lot more, it's not a scumtell that I haven't voted. If there are more people that I think deserve a vote, why would I vote someone else. Think about it.

[pmchugh]

What would you like me to defend? I already explained my actions. I'll bandwagon all over Day 1 every game I play, every time. Sorry if you don't like that. I already told you that's how I play. It's the best way to get claims. Once a claim is given, I'll get off and move on. Want to have another Day 1 game playing argument like you did with jak? Maybe I'll even soft claim at the end!!

I don't believe you. Why on earth would anyone want to get claims from random people? What? Only mafia want claims, town want to catch scum! This is a poor meta defense, I can't believe you have got through however many games without someone pulling you up on this before. Your position makes no sense at all, jaks position was believable yours is not.

And yes, I think you just waited to make a case on me after I put suspicion on you. You waited so that it wouldn't look like an OMGUS.

Do you even understand OMGUS? Just because you FOSd me at one point in the game does that mean I am never allowed to accuse you without it being OMGUS? I gave reasons and justifications for my vote, I have been actively hunting other players, your FOS was of no concern to me and this all adds up to one thing; it isn't OMGUS. Even if it was OMGUS, which it definitely isn't, I fail to see how that excuses you.