Judgement Day- Game Over, MAFIA WIN!!!

[kwanton]

Then why say it?

If everyone got it then why say it?

First off if that's part of your win condition then you shouldn't have said it all. Against standing mafia rules and whatnot.

Second if you're so sure that everyone got it then there's no reason to reveal information like that.

The way AD is overacting (next rebuttal: "LIEK O em Gee how am I overReacting?! UR A TURD!") makes me think he's cornered. Also, I just get the feeling he's backtracking and covering up what he really meant when he said he had to look for the antichrist.

[Sierra_Leon]

1. Nor will you see any. BTW, I would like to thank No. 2 hunter of 'Team 3' for eliminating two more suspects from my list with his display of bravado .

If I won't see any, then how am I supposed to be sure you're telling the truth or not?

2. I said 'hard' not unbalanced. But, if I am right about either the 'Clues' or about the fact that there being far fewer Horses then Hunters, then this turns into a classic Mafia-Town confrontation + a God for each side and a big number of Survivor-type bystanders.

I still think your theory about the 'clues' is a farfetched. You might have made it up to match your roleclaim, but even if you're really what you say you are, the part about there being clues still doesn't make sense. There would have been clues left by all horses, and I surely would've noticed in my re-read (because I did pay attention to it)

3. Sierra = . I never claimed anything other then Abraham. I have, however, hinted that I am Neutral, to lessen the chances of geting NKed. Also, I hoped to provoke Scum recruiters (if there are any) to waste a recruitment on me.

Ok, I can believe that, especially after the awkward question you asked me at some point, about what allignment I would claim.

4. Yes, who could possibly protect me in the game with 2 GODS?!

You're guessing as much as I am on this point.

5. As I have said, I acted Neutral (not scummy) during the time when I had no better plan.

I'll admit that Fircoal seems to have infected me with his "MANDY IS SCUM" propaganda somewhat, because I've gotten a scum vibe from you in both other games I played with you so far. In tonka's psychiatry game I turned out to be right, in Dawn of War I turned out to be wrong. I won't judge you on basis of a hunch in this game. What I said was scummy behaviour is you voting for firth and freezie after a god's message. How is that acting neutral?

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vote Sierra Leon mostly because of 3rd point of his accusation. During the time before my claim, I have repeated over and over again that I am working in the interess of me winning the game and that I refuse to claim pro-God, pro-Devil or Neutral. The fact that Sierra, a good player by any standard, would choose to overlook this fact, reminds me of the 'Manhunt' game which was won by Mafia (of which I was a, dead, part ) after Mountain Lion (with Wicked's help) menaged to convince the town to lynch the (claimed) Cop (played by Aimless, no less ). In my oppinion, the decision to go after the, seemingly, hardest target (in this case me, since I made a believable and uncoerced role-claim) is based on two things.
Firstly, the Scum under attack decides that is he is allready in danger, he might as well try to 'Shoot the Moon'. If this tactic suceeds (and the game doesn't end, as it did in 'Manhunt') then EVERYBODY who voted for the obviously inocent target have a lot of explaining to do. If the tactic fails, then he will end just as dead as he would end if he did nothing.
Secondly, the fact that he is trying to deflect the bandwagon by going after me (and after a more likely target, like one of the submarriners) is designed to seem altruistic.

Interesting tactic, I might actually try that some time when I'm scum.
You're right about one thing and I won't hide it: I was accusing you in hopes of deflecting the bandwagon in your direction. Unlike you said it was not for some altruistic reason; it was because I honestly think there is a good chance that you are the Anti-Christ. I still do by the way. One thing that would change my mind is if I had some verification of there actually being horse-hunters in this game. Any of them claiming at this point would not be very wise though, unless they've also used up their investigations. Do you know any other method of verifying this? (and don't go pointing to the skies, because the gods are on my ignore list this game)

Sigh. After all that I have to unvote , because I have just realized that there is no way that Anarkistsdream is telling the truth.

To whom it may concern: YOU IDIOT!

1. You are hunting the White Horse.
2. The rider of the White Horse is the Antichrist.
3. ANARKISTSDREAM CLAIMS TO BE HUNTING THE ANTICHRIST!

DO YOU NOTICE SOMETHING WRONG WITH THIS!!!!!

Anyway, for all of you other guys, I know that Nark is not the one who hunts the White Horse (aka Antichrist), because I know who is hunting it.

vote Nark. Congats on almost geting away with it bro.

To all of you who are hunting a horse of some kind: GO TO THE BLOODY WIKIPEDIA AND READ THE ARTICLE ABOUT THE 4 HORSMEN OF APOCALYPSE! Thank you.

I don't think AD said he his role was the Anti-Christ hunter. I thought he claimed cop. I was voting AD earlier today and I got scolded for it, and now you're doing the exact same thing.

[Anarkistsdream]

Then why say it?

If everyone got it then why say it?

First off if that's part of your win condition then you shouldn't have said it all. Against standing mafia rules and whatnot.

Second if you're so sure that everyone got it then there's no reason to reveal information like that.

The way AD is overacting (next rebuttal: "LIEK O em Gee how am I overReacting?! UR A TURD!") makes me think he's cornered. Also, I just get the feeling he's backtracking and covering up what he really meant when he said he had to look for the antichrist.

No, I am sick of being looked at this whole game for no reason. Second, it doesn't say that as part of my win condition. Third, I am not over-reacting to anything. I am pissed off that so many other people have acted scummy and for some reason everyone wants to attack me, when people like Koesen get off with no problem by saying he was... What again... A sister of Mary or some shit?

WTF is that?

You all just kill me. I'm fine. And I'm also done posting here.

[mandalorian2298]

AD, mandy is trying to say that the anti-christ is one of the four horsemen. DUH!

I thought it through and i'm starting to doubt jnd got that right tho. If I remember the bible correctly, the four horsemen were actually instruments of God...

Still doesnt explain why melchior would get such and important task though.

NONE of those are the antichrist

In actual biblical lore, the antichrist does not even realize he is evil. He believes himself to be doing good through his whole life. Much like Hitler did.

I am sick of shit getting pulled out of thin air. I don't know what the f*ck is up with you, Mandy, but no where has anyone said anything about the horseman being the antichrist, which goes against all christian belief.

Where the hell would you get the antichrist being pestilence???

Since you keep reading Wikipedia, Mandy... :The rider of the white horse is very commonly and erroneously interpreted to be the Antichrist figure.

You are right about that. As soon as one player Confirms your role of Melchior-who-hunts-Antichrist, I will be happy to switch my vote on Sierra.

Butm here we encounter a problem, don't we? Because, you are hunting Antichrist alone! This was one of the things that rang my alarm bells when first you claimed to hunt Antichrist. In this game, good guys hunt in packs.

[jnd94]

Vote Count coming up.

[jnd94]

VOTE COUNT

1-Gimpy (Mandy)
1-AD (ga7)
1-Spin (Selin)
4-Sierra_Leon (F1fth,Neutrino,freezie,AD)
1-Skoffin (Skoffin)

With 18, it takes 10 to lynch!

AD, you did not unvote Sierra_Leon before voting yourself, so your vote stays on him.

Mandy, you did not unvote Gimpy before voting AD, so your vote stays on Gimpy.

I have decided to lift the 3 day time limit becuase it seems we are getting somewhere. However, becuase of the upcoming holidays, if this doesn't go quicker, and time limit will be enforced.

[jnd94]

On a sperate note, the following player(s) are being prodded. if you have any objections, please say so:

Fircoal
Spinwizard
Talapus
Gimpy

[freezie]

Unvote

Vote: AD


You said that you would have an insight on who is the anti-christ, if we gave you one more night.

So stop saying that was your whole point in this game My role never uncluded the name anti-christ, either, and as a follower fo the God, I do not beleive you.


In Mandy I trust

[Skoffin]

When Nark made his claims I thought of it the way he claims, so far I trust him and do not see reason to vote him. There was something else but not quite sure what it was now... I'll reread and post it later. That and it's Nark, it'd be a waste to lose him this early
I'm also certain Mando is what he says he is.

[gimpyThewonder]

sorry i've been absent. Friday- got a new job (90% sure anyway), celebrated w/ 1/2 rack of winter beer. Saturday- hung over and useless. Sunday- getting tree and watching football. So that's my lame excuse for being away w/out notice.

Mandy- you really need to have other sources than Wikipedia. If Stephen Colbert can make elephants extinct just by typing it then all info should be taken w/ grain of salt. i.e. I 100% guarantee that the Antichrist is not one of the 4 riders of the apocalypse. Just isn't, no way no how. If you don't believe me read 'Good Omens' by Neil Gaiman & Terry Pratchet, its hilarious AND informative on the subject.

AD- chill dude. I feel your pain being under Mandies' off-the-wall scrutiny, I was just there myself. No one of logical thinking (looks at some of you others) will believe it. If they do, well we know which way their flag is flying. chin-up buckaroo

Personally i'd like to hear some real(yes i'm looking at you) theories. SL's was good (and i wouldn't mind taking out mandy just for spite ) but too many others have steped in w/ statements of belief which i'm taking to mean they are also hunters, if they aren't then they should give us better reasons as to believeing Mandy. and for the love of God don't actually claim, that's how we lost the doc.

[freezie]

I never ever had more demonic vibes before that post of Gimpy....It's like you're overly defensive, and now you defend AD on something that you say can't be true, yet you don't post anything that would disprove it.

If the Anti-Christ is not one of the rider, then why?

[F1fth]

Likewise, Gimpy. I got pretty sick this weekend so I apologize for not posting much, especially in a time where so much is going on.

I'm reluctant to buy that the White Horseman and the Antichrist are the same figure, judging from the Wikipedia article, which is about as anyone researching roles for this game would likely go (:wink:).

At the very least, I'd say that reasonable doubt warrants patience and that we wait for a night investigation before taking action.

[mandalorian2298]

Pff, the gods are useful as ever, I see. Anyhow, after reading back I didn't find as many clues as I was hoping for. Checking the alive-list, there's not just spin submarining his way through this, but also fircoal, skoffin and kwanton. However, a theory popped into my head when I was re-reading this day - with Mandy's claim and firth's investigation on him.

What if the scum consist of the four horsemen like Mandy said, but there are in fact no horse-hunters in this game?

I'm thinking that Mandy might be scum, claiming he role he knows won't be counter-claimed because it simply doesn't exist. I have several reasons to believe this.

1) I have seen no clues that there are other horse-hunters like he claims there are. I'll admit that they have had no reason to claim yet, but it's not helping Mandy's case any.

2) The role would be very unbalanced and he admitted this himself.

[...]
During the re-reading I decided that my task is kind of hard. It's basicaly finding 1 guy out of 30. So, there could be some kind of a hint in it for me. Like a post restriction. Assuming that this is so, here is my theory on who might be the Red Horse of Apocalypse (War):
[...]

3) He's repeatedly claimed to be 3rd-party (even recruitable), but now suddenly claims he's pro-god. (or did you claim this was a neutral role, Mandy? you weren't very clear about that)

[...]
Personaly, I have a problem with neither lying nor hypocrasy if it serves a purpose. And since I am not a member of an game-winning mayority, yet (or the game would end and I would be posting things like "Go side x! " instead of explaining the basic truths of our current conditions), it is reasonable to assume that I am going to lie, manipulate (and hopefully get away with it ) during the course of the game. Person who would claim otherwise at this point would be - lying.

I have no intention of joining a bunch of satanists atheists and (in a minority of cases) legitimate pro-God-lings in their prayers and hymns. If you want to lynch me for that, be my guest. But, bare in mind, you might be weakening your own side (on the other hand, you may be eligable for CNN's Play-of-the-Day ).
[...]

4) Why would firth's investigation on Mandy fail? The role he described is not so powerful that it would be immume to investigations. A day-roleblocker is just as unlikely. This makes me think he might even be the Anti-Christ himself.

Sorry AD I already used my investigation. I investigated mandy and for some reason I didn't get my result back .I got a pm from jnd saying "for some reason you don't get the investigation result through".

I have no idea why

5) Mandy's been acting scummy all game, but it's been ignored after phrases like "That's just mandy being mandy". He voted for the confirmed day cop after a god said we should and later voted freezie when a god said we should. He's been using these messages as excuses to try and start bandwagons.

[...]
Anyways, who am I to doubt th Gods? vote Firth4eva

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Vote Freezie I like when a Deity identifies itself. There's a good God *pats Skittles on the head*

I'm very curious to hear your thoughts about this, and ofcourse what Mandy has to say about this himself.

Thanks for the bold part.

1. Nor will you see any. BTW, I would like to thank No. 2 hunter of 'Team 3' for eliminating two more suspects from my list with his display of bravado .

2. I said 'hard' not unbalanced. But, if I am right about either the 'Clues' or about the fact that there being far fewer Horses then Hunters, then this turns into a classic Mafia-Town confrontation + a God for each side and a big number of Survivor-type bystanders.

3. Sierra = . I never claimed anything other then Abraham. I have, however, hinted that I am Neutral, to lessen the chances of geting NKed. Also, I hoped to provoke Scum recruiters (if there are any) to waste a recruitment on me.

4. Yes, who could possibly protect me in the game with 2 GODS?!

5. As I have said, I acted Neutral (not scummy) during the time when I had no better plan.

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vote Sierra Leon mostly because of 3rd point of his accusation. During the time before my claim, I have repeated over and over again that I am working in the interess of me winning the game and that I refuse to claim pro-God, pro-Devil or Neutral. The fact that Sierra, a good player by any standard, would choose to overlook this fact, reminds me of the 'Manhunt' game which was won by Mafia (of which I was a, dead, part ) after Mountain Lion (with Wicked's help) menaged to convince the town to lynch the (claimed) Cop (played by Aimless, no less ). In my oppinion, the decision to go after the, seemingly, hardest target (in this case me, since I made a believable and uncoerced role-claim) is based on two things.
Firstly, the Scum under attack decides that is he is allready in danger, he might as well try to 'Shoot the Moon'. If this tactic suceeds (and the game doesn't end, as it did in 'Manhunt') then EVERYBODY who voted for the obviously inocent target have a lot of explaining to do. If the tactic fails, then he will end just as dead as he would end if he did nothing.
Secondly, the fact that he is trying to deflect the bandwagon by going after me (and after a more likely target, like one of the submarriners) is designed to seem altruistic.

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Sigh. After all that I have to unvote , because I have just realized that there is no way that Anarkistsdream is telling the truth.

To whom it may concern: YOU IDIOT!

1. You are hunting the White Horse.
2. The rider of the White Horse is the Antichrist.
3. ANARKISTSDREAM CLAIMS TO BE HUNTING THE ANTICHRIST!

DO YOU NOTICE SOMETHING WRONG WITH THIS!!!!!

Anyway, for all of you other guys, I know that Nark is not the one who hunts the White Horse (aka Antichrist), because I know who is hunting it.

vote Nark. Congats on almost geting away with it bro.

To all of you who are hunting a horse of some kind: GO TO THE BLOODY WIKIPEDIA AND READ THE ARTICLE ABOUT THE 4 HORSMEN OF APOCALYPSE! Thank you.

Not only had I unvoted, I did it twice!

[mandalorian2298]

So, let me is if I got this right. Nark never CLAIMED that he was hunting Antichrist (as in that is his role), but he kept on saying it, for the purpose of making conversation? Nark, honored Rogue and dear friend, if this is the case, then you really deserve to be lynched. Sorry, my vote stays.

[spinwizard]

ok...I am sorry about being in-active. I am not sure who is scum, I'm so confused!

[gimpyThewonder]

I never ever had more demonic vibes before that post of Gimpy....It's like you're overly defensive, and now you defend AD on something that you say can't be true, yet you don't post anything that would disprove it.

If the Anti-Christ is not one of the rider, then why?

curious why you keep saying i'm overly defensive? Perhaps you're deflecting yourself? I was making a statement of fact, not defending AD. He could in fact be scum, I don't know, that wasn't the point of the post. It is a possibility that jnd got biblical lore incorect and made the antichrist ride a pretty pony, maybe a rainbow hued one. but simply put, as a humanities grad these are things i learned in college. I could crack open a bible and quote scripture at you, or you can take my word on it. either way ho-hum, time for sleepysleep

[nagerous]

Mandy why are you pushing for the lynch of the pro-towners??? Its not another case of braveheart again?

[Koesen]

I was gome for a few days, but I'm back now. In fact, I got back earlier, but had very little time.

I'll have to reread and see if I can make sense of what has been going on in my absence. No promises

Right now, I have absolutely no clue. Too many weird stories and accusations flying back and forth.

[Koesen]

First thought: the Antichrist should not be one of the horsemen. I checked the Wikipedia article on the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, as my own knowledge of such things is too limited to trust, and it clearly says he isn't.

So whoever says he is, and is drawing conclusions form that idea, is at best mistaken and at worst lying. I'll have to reread to see who that was, though, and maybe the entire discussion isn't that important anyway.

Second thought: the only person who stands out to me in the previous pages in such a way that I have a clear opinion of him, is spinwizard, who is entirely useless.

There are of course other people who stand out more, but I have no clear opinion of them

Third thought: according to the Horsemen article, the Horsemen of the Apocalypse don't all arrive at the same time. Could that mean that they're not (yet) all here, in the game? It makes me wonder if perhaps there are people who start out neutral and then change. Maybe every day a new one appears?

[spinwizard]

First thought: the Antichrist should not be one of the horsemen. I checked the Wikipedia article on the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, as my own knowledge of such things is too limited to trust, and it clearly says he isn't.

So whoever says he is, and is drawing conclusions form that idea, is at best mistaken and at worst lying. I'll have to reread to see who that was, though, and maybe the entire discussion isn't that important anyway.

Second thought: the only person who stands out to me in the previous pages in such a way that I have a clear opinion of him, is spinwizard, who is entirely useless.

There are of course other people who stand out more, but I have no clear opinion of them

Third thought: according to the Horsemen article, the Horsemen of the Apocalypse don't all arrive at the same time. Could that mean that they're not (yet) all here, in the game? It makes me wonder if perhaps there are people who start out neutral and then change. Maybe every day a new one appears?

In this game...yes, I agree I have been useless and after having a quick re-read I beleve Anti-Christ is not 1 of the horsemen.

[Talapus]

Wow, this thread really kicked into high gear over the weekend! The funny thing about it is that we went from having some totally random theories to actually having some solid leads. But by the sound of the accusations I think we may be looking to hard. I reread and saw why mandy was pushing everything so hard, and even checked out wiki. But I believe that we may be looking at the facts too much. I don't know about you guys, but I think the gods spamming and yelling at us is pretty useless. Because of that, I'm not too sure we can believe that everything in this game is all that factual. But we are on a deadline and it looks like there are two people at the forefront of getting lynched, so I guess we need to decide.

The only thing I can say at this point is that the last god that talked definately sounded like the good god. So, we need to figure out what person he was warning us would be bad to lynch. I'll go back and look for it after work today and see if I can find it.

[freezie]

I am going to put this straight: We will never know who the good god is, neither we will know the other one. They can impersonate each others, and has barely any more clues than we have.

I am therefor ignoring their comments. I don't know why I should listen to them.


I am not, and I beleive no one should.

[mandalorian2298]

Mandy why are you pushing for the lynch of the pro-towners??? Its not another case of braveheart again?

In Braveheart I never pushed for anything. All I had to do was not screw up and the role has won the game for me.

[firth4eva]

Announcement

Mandy is scum. That is the only part of the message I can reveal.

unvote vote mandy

[Koesen]

Mandy why are you pushing for the lynch of the pro-towners??? Its not another case of braveheart again?

In Braveheart I never pushed for anything. All I had to do was not screw up and the role has won the game for me.

In Braveheart, I recall a certain instistence on lynching my protown self

Not saying you're scum here, but since you go way over the top in almost all of your games, I find it increasingly hard to judge you, and I'm less inclined to jump on any bandwagon that you created