[Official]Adventure time mafia:MAFIA WIN!

[Soldier4Christ]

VOTE PTLOWE

[TimWoodbury]

VOTE PTLOWE

interesting vote youve not posted at all since you joined in since d2 started and the only thing you say is 2 words vote and PT, whats made you throw the vote that way??
if pt is skum who do you think his partner may be??

[*Pixar*]

basically I had a role that could have told me who killed Tim if I didn't f*ck up lol aka watcher yes that's my claim now

[the white rose]

pixar, why claim now and who did you watch on N1 and N2?

also, if you are gonna claim, what character are you?

[Whatsausage]

basically I had a role that could have told me who killed Tim if I didn't f*ck up lol aka watcher yes that's my claim now

Are you serious? Why would you claim out of nowhere like that? You have done nothing but make yourself a target for a nightkill. Tell me, what good does your claim do town? Since you claimed, did anyone visit Tim? Why did you choose Tim to watch?

@soldier, we need way more than that. Votes should be supplemented with justification, so why ptlowe?

@wing, I am torn on you. Part of me thinks your actions have been consistent with what you described a VT would do. I still don't like your swap to streaker though. That is a scum move. Swapping to lynch a player that is contributing to the game over a player who had basically given up. Perhaps we get more info from a streaker town flip than from a Tim town flip, but the info from a town flip is still small overall. I think the scummier player is the better lynch. So I've still got my eye on you, but I think I have you as town for now.
I agree that ptlowe has been playing a little bit strange for him. Although he followed your vote on him with a vote on you, which I have seen him do before. I think Tim is the best option for today. Maybe I am just turned off by his super early claim followed by "lynch me", but he hasn't acted town in my eyes. Vote Tim I will continue to believe him scum until he convinces me otherwise.
As for who else could be scum, I have this feeling that one of the replacements is scum, but it is just a feeling, maybe because I am not convicted in many other active players being scum. I could still see twr, wing, and pt as scum, but I am going to need more (a reason an investigation could be wrong for twr) on them first. Interested to see where hotshot lands when he is caught up and what soldier's reasoning is.

Also, @wing. You asked if mitch was the same role as dakky claimed. This is a strange question as it's easy to look back and see that dakky claimed "Jake the dog" who would die for mitch's character "finn". So yes, I believe scum have fake-claims.
Fp'd by twr
Reasons for watches as well please

[TimWoodbury]

whatsausage realize skum didnt kill me last night as ALOT of people was saying on D2 that i was to die today so they already had a more or less qurentee lynch on me dont fall for skums trap.

and i also am kinda not shure why he choose to watch me guess its good to know now who pixar watch N1 and we know he watched me N2

[*Pixar*]

I replaced someone in Day2 so I doubt the guy used his role over night 1.for some reason I thought I could see who tim visited and not the other way around. I might have been drunk.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Can you ask End if "you" used your role N1 please. And yes you should have been watching Mitch or White Rose. With our perfect hindsight Mitch.

That doesnt explain why you felt the need to soft claim this as soon as D3 started.

Yeah Sausage I realised I was confused and that the claims were different. My belief is that Tim and PT are scum pair, but it niggles at me that possibly Hotshot is PT's partner not Tim. Killing IB N1 is not an action that I would expect of Tim, but thats really beside the point.

This has reminded me that I've never looked at IB's posts. This struck me as curious:

This game looks like no one is going to make a case, except maybe kratos on White Rose, but I'm going to follow his lead FOR now and

vote rose

Also, mitch looks scummy, and not because I always vote him, for real, his posts this game are scummy.

And yet you vote White Rose. Why are you following someones lead and voting when out of your own mouth you say Mitch is scummy?

Pretty much crapola to go with on day one.

vote dakky

This was never addressed by Dakky and went pretty much ignored. I find it odd that several folks mention it and find it odd then people start obsessing about stupid crap.
Raigan and Streaker were like yup its scummy...yest several others dont even make mention.

Dakky never addressed it either.

And then two posts later, having posted a lot after the initial comment by IB

unvote vote dakky

Explain please Tim.

[the white rose]

'scuse a nooby question, but can i ask when a watcher watches someone, does he see where that person goes, or does he see who visits that person, or both?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

'scuse a nooby question, but can i ask when a watcher watches someone, does he see where that person goes, or does he see who visits that person, or both?

Watcher - Sees who is visits the targeted player at night, but not what they do.

Tracker - Sees who the targeted player visits at night, but not what they do.

Pix is claiming the former, and claiming to have confused it with the latter. Pix is saying that no one visited Tim last night, which isnt particularly surprising.

[*Pixar*]

my role is Lumpy Space Princess btw, Mod can you pm me to see if subtle used night action N1

[Whatsausage]

whatsausage realize skum didnt kill me last night as ALOT of people was saying on D2 that i was to die today so they already had a more or less qurentee lynch on me dont fall for skums trap.

How is this relevant? There was almost no chance scum would kill you last night unless they were completely terrified of a doc save. Yes you did look like a lynch candidate for today, so scum would likely leave you be, but scum would also leave you be if you were scum. Scum (presumably) only have one kill, and they killed the claimed cop. I don't see how leaving you alive is a trap by scum.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Sobering up after festival. Will post later.

Rage just got replaced in another game. Though he did post here yesterday, so we have hope.

[Ragian]

Guys, just an FYI: I'm struggling at work which is why I haven't said squat in here yet. I've been asked to be replaced in my other mafia game. I will pitch in tomorrow! I promise!

[Endgame422]

Guys, just an FYI: I'm struggling at work which is why I haven't said squat in here yet. I've been asked to be replaced in my other mafia game. I will pitch in tomorrow! I promise!

Thanks for the update rage.
Official Vote Count
Wing(2)TimWoodbury,ptlowe
Ptlowe(2)Wing,Soldier4Christ
Timwoodbury(1)Whatsausage
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch

[TimWoodbury]

Can you ask End if "you" used your role N1 please. And yes you should have been watching Mitch or White Rose. With our perfect hindsight Mitch.

That doesnt explain why you felt the need to soft claim this as soon as D3 started.

Yeah Sausage I realised I was confused and that the claims were different. My belief is that Tim and PT are scum pair, but it niggles at me that possibly Hotshot is PT's partner not Tim. Killing IB N1 is not an action that I would expect of Tim, but thats really beside the point.

This has reminded me that I've never looked at IB's posts. This struck me as curious:

This game looks like no one is going to make a case, except maybe kratos on White Rose, but I'm going to follow his lead FOR now and

vote rose

Also, mitch looks scummy, and not because I always vote him, for real, his posts this game are scummy.

And yet you vote White Rose. Why are you following someones lead and voting when out of your own mouth you say Mitch is scummy?

Pretty much crapola to go with on day one.

vote dakky

This was never addressed by Dakky and went pretty much ignored. I find it odd that several folks mention it and find it odd then people start obsessing about stupid crap.
Raigan and Streaker were like yup its scummy...yest several others dont even make mention.

Dakky never addressed it either.

And then two posts later, having posted a lot after the initial comment by IB

unvote vote dakky

Explain please Tim.

i do bealive this is the game where i felt the concesis was on dakky thus why i did dakky (was we was unning out of time) i cant remember 100% though due to looking at dakky in multiple games right now

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

viewtopic.php?f=213&t=215070&start=175#p4740860

I'll jog your memory, you switched from Mitch who had four votes, to Dakky who had three votes.

[*Pixar*]

I have been confirmed that no night action was used my subtle

[TimWoodbury]

https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=213&t=215070&start=175#p4740860

I'll jog your memory, you switched from Mitch who had four votes, to Dakky who had three votes.

okay thank you for that wing, i swiched off mets because he more lr less said if we let him live for the day he was gonna have something good for town so i unvote him and swapped to dakky not shure why i choose dakky possablly because he was the one convo was stirring around at that time other then mitch

[Ragian]

Reading D2 now.

[Ragian]

Hi guys,

Sorry about the delay. Work is piling up these days. I can't even remember what my house looks like. But enough of that. Let's get busy here. I'd like to start out by pointing to the words of a dying vanilla townie:

I am the Slime Princess. Vanilla Townie.

Tomorrow you lynch either Tim or ptlowe. Rose as backup. These are my top 3 scum, remember that.

Also please see how Tim isn't even bothering defending himself, let alone giving his reads for town to use. Can't believe there aren't more of you seeing this, especially you mitch.

[...]

-Ragian town
-mitch town

Beware of wing, his play is inconsistent of a good town play. Indecisive for him, I noted it at the start of the day, but now again when he was considering pushing Kratos instead of Tim.

He points to Tim, ptlowe, and wing. Neither Tim nor ptlowe seemed to care so I'll let that rest for at least a few lines, but it seems as if Wing felt threatened by that last comment since he first answered that it didn't make sense and then stated the following:

Both claims are equal in strength. Tim IS playing his worst game on this site by a long way regardless of his alignment, and I am including the screenshot role game. This doesnt make him scum by itself.

So the problem with the Tim lynch is simple. If he flips mafia who is his scummate? I cant see anyone who would be. Bringing votes has been too easy. White Rose has defended Tim far too strongly to actually be his scumbuddy. This leaves only PTlowe or an inactive, and I just dont see PT as scum.

Streaker on the other hand I am open to the idea of Sausage or Pixar being his partner. At this point I see far more information coming from a Streaker lynch than a Tim lynch. With Tim all we really learn is his alignment. With Streaker there are a lot more standpoints to view with understanding of his alignment. Additionally, Streaker has actually been giving his reads on players unlike Tim.

Unvote Vote Streaker


Sorry, but town wont last another day without any information with which to work from. Dakky's lynch was uninformative. Tim's lynch would be uninformative. You've been echoing my actions all game and thats normally your scum tell.

1) If you think someone is scum, you vote for them. You don't switch to a townie in order to get "more information".
2) The only information from lynching streaker is "the idea" that "Sausage or Pixar" are parthners. THE IDEA! Vague shit.
3) If streaker was in fact guilty of his scumtell "all game", why the heck would you just bring it up now?
4) You can't state that Tim is playing poorly and then say that the dakky lynch was uninformative since Tim defended dakky D1 (which is poor play). So it's either or.

I can only see this as a vague attempt to justify hammering streaker. I don't buy it. I also want to add this for shits and giggles.

I'm sorry that it took Streakers flip for me to know that Streaker wasnt twisting things. I shouldnt have switched vote.

Now, this is from today and it still reeks to me:

Your argument is that I switched from Tim to Streaker in order to hammer town. Now if i was mafia, then this would imply that Tim was also mafia and I was saving him from lynch. Now lets look at that. Tim was only at L-1 because of the case I built and helped Streaker push. Its pretty clear I'm not working with Tim, so the argument of my hammer doesnt make logical sense.

Wing was in fact one of the first to push Tim. That's absolutely true as you can see from below.

Official Vote Count
Cyanineeter(1)ragian
WingCmdr(1)TimWoodbury
Timwoodbury(4)Wing,streaker,whatsausage,pixar
Streaker(2)Ptlowe,thewhiterose
With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.
Deadline is november 6th which is friday
Sorry about the delay on VC

But wing was also of the conviction that it would not give us any information. So why push the case? And he unvote very few posts after I put Tim at L-1. I think he got spooked and had to act. Why push a case the entire day and then abandon it? I don't buy it.

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I wanted Tim lynched yesterday for the simple reasons that he:
1) Defended our only known scum D1 without any real reasons (to me anyway).
2) Went for our soft claimed cop D2.

Surely, that should be enough to warrant a lynch over streaker. I can't believe that people were swayed into voting Tim.

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To return to the dying man's last words. He said Tim or ptlowe, but I think the case on Wing is better to be honest. I think that wing is scum saving a scumbuddy and getting rid of an experienced player. vote wing

I am interested in pt's post. I am suspicious of him. And of Tim.

[Ragian]

Here are some observations from D3 that I didn't feel fitted the other post.

i think mitch was looking in the right direction vote wingcommander

Why? How? Explain. Have I missed your explanation?

I totally messed up my night action dammit sorry town, but yeah wing is #1 on my suspect list.

Why? Explain. Have I missed your explanation? I see that you explained that now while I was reading D3. C'mon, son. Why on earth would you say stuff like that? Do you think it helps town to say that you are a town power role with no information? Look how it went mitch? f*ck sake, son. Have I taught you nothing?

This raises an eyebrow:

given the fact that streaker suspected pt lowe, i am inclined to believe him. You believe ptlowe because streaker - one of two confirmed townies - suspected him? Walk me through that.

wing's reasoning does make sense and pt lowe being an experienced player has certainly kept a low profile in this game (no pun intended). As much as you were on wing's case yesterday, you seem awfully forgiving.

i would have expected much more help from him.

sigh, i may be wrong and am certainly open to be persuaded otherwise.

i am not actually voting at this stage as a double vote here is very powerful and i want to guage reactions to my comments without puttung ptlowe in danger of a quick lynch.

This here raises more than an eyebrow:

@Wing im almsot convinced that the previous days batte was between town-town so with that im really close to being on the town side on you rather the skum side

What the hell, bro? You just voted him!?!?

How about this for a laugh?

pixar, why claim now and who did you watch on N1 and N2?

also, if you are gonna claim, what character are you?

Now, it's important.

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Christ, reading through I don't even know who is town.

I just got FP'ed by myself. What the frick?

[Soldier4Christ]

I finally caught up reading all 26 pages and i put a vote in. I dont have to explain myself. I do however think that Wing brought up many good points and Ptlowe is suspect to me.

[TimWoodbury]

vote soldier this is because he came in as replacement great but he casts a vote without giving any sort of hindsight as to why he voted where he did its almsot saying imm doing it simply just because i can. that or your bandwagoning (voting along because its the popular choice person)

ps soldier if you want people to vote along with you then you have to give them something to go off other then just a vote

[Ragian]

I finally caught up reading all 26 pages and i put a vote in. I dont have to explain myself. I do however think that Wing brought up many good points and Ptlowe is suspect to me.

This is great if Wing flips scum. Just saying